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[Veteran_Jack McReady]
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Posted - 2012.06.10 18:19:00 -
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everyone remember the E3 video, where the guy throw A SINGLE remote explosive to blew up the tank? today I had a tank heavy match. I saw a sagaris tank, I manage sneak up behind it, throw 2 under the tank (just like in the video) and BOOM.... but wait I turn around and what do I see? I just scratched the tanks shields, it took only ~30% of his shields away. really? they are useless against buildings, I run out of explosives before I penetrate the shields.
so the only purpose they have is to troll dropsuits that run to hack an objective or follow you around a corner, great :) |
[Veteran_EnglishSnake]
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Posted - 2012.06.10 18:21:00 -
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Maybe it was a upgraded remote explosive
So far we only got 1 to choose from but it kills ppl well |
[Veteran_Nova Knife]
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Posted - 2012.06.10 18:38:00 -
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They are actually incredibly useful against tanks, and other vehicles will die with one explosive, every time. They are amazing to use as manual mines as traps against infantry.
But, if you think at any point a single person is going to take out a tank... You're just expecting way too much. Tanks require teamwork to take out, this is how it should be. Most smart tank drivers retreat when they start taking fire. If they are not standing still, place a ton of them on the road behind it when your buddy is about to hit it with a swarm launcher. When they back up along the road to get out of the swarm's targeting sight.. Kaboom. Your RE's finish it off.
They are incredibly useful, you're just not using them properly. They do between 900 and 1.4k damage, the number itself isn't listed but that's what we worked it out to be close to. |
[Veteran_Jack McReady]
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Posted - 2012.06.10 18:46:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:They are actually incredibly useful against tanks, and other vehicles will die with one explosive, every time. They are amazing to use as manual mines as traps against infantry.
But, if you think at any point a single person is going to take out a tank... You're just expecting way too much. Tanks require teamwork to take out, this is how it should be. Most smart tank drivers retreat when they start taking fire. If they are not standing still, place a ton of them on the road behind it when your buddy is about to hit it with a swarm launcher. When they back up along the road to get out of the swarm's targeting sight.. Kaboom. Your RE's finish it off.
They are incredibly useful, you're just not using them properly. They do between 900 and 1.4k damage, the number itself isn't listed but that's what we worked it out to be close to. what? I dont even know where to start.
first, you can only lay 2 explosive at once. there is no "I place a carpet of bombs" behind the tank to finish it off.
second, if they would do 1.4k damage per explosive then my 2 explosive would definately take alot more shields of a sagaris then those pathetic 30%, and you definately would take down structures much faster.
I dont expect them to kill it outright but 30% of a tank seems a bit low for the effort it takes to set it up. |
[Veteran_Delta-121]
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Posted - 2012.06.10 19:07:00 -
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the sagaris shields can easily be tank to 6 or 7k (I think) it is after all a higher lvl tank. |
[Veteran_Nova Knife]
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Posted - 2012.06.10 19:13:00 -
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Any decent sagaris fit is going to have like 6k+ Shield HP, and damage resist modules to reduce the base damage any weapon does to it by about 40%. Just thought you might want to know.
You can actually throw up to five remote explosives at once. There is a bug where they sometimes explode as they bounce on the ground. |
[Veteran_Jack McReady]
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Posted - 2012.06.10 19:25:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote: You can actually throw up to five remote explosives at once. There is a bug where they sometimes explode as they bounce on the ground.
my bad, somehow I was confusing it nanohives. I will try this out later :)
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[Veteran_SuperMido]
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Posted - 2012.06.10 19:35:00 -
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They're totally fine the way they are right now. In the trailer maybe the Tank was taking a lot damage, or maybe the Tank you were doing after had lots of armor on or something. But I definitely wouldn't want to see 2 remote explosives taking out a Tank like in Battlefield. Thats freaking cheap as hell, it should do significant damage to a Tank with full shields and Armor, but not take it out entirely for sure. |
[Veteran_Velikar Breakage]
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Posted - 2012.06.10 19:35:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Nova Knife wrote:They are actually incredibly useful against tanks, and other vehicles will die with one explosive, every time. They are amazing to use as manual mines as traps against infantry.
But, if you think at any point a single person is going to take out a tank... You're just expecting way too much. Tanks require teamwork to take out, this is how it should be. Most smart tank drivers retreat when they start taking fire. If they are not standing still, place a ton of them on the road behind it when your buddy is about to hit it with a swarm launcher. When they back up along the road to get out of the swarm's targeting sight.. Kaboom. Your RE's finish it off.
They are incredibly useful, you're just not using them properly. They do between 900 and 1.4k damage, the number itself isn't listed but that's what we worked it out to be close to. what? I dont even know where to start. first, you can only lay 2 explosive at once. there is no "I place a carpet of bombs" behind the tank to finish it off. second, if they would do 1.4k damage per explosive then my 2 explosive would definately take alot more shields of a sagaris then those pathetic 30%, and you definately would take down structures much faster. I dont expect them to kill it outright but 30% of a tank seems a bit low for the effort it takes to set it up.
Just to clarify, since I just started using them today. You can only place 2 at a time? Is that why they start blowing up if I throw more? |
[Veteran_steffy weffi]
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Posted - 2012.06.10 19:52:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:first, you can only lay 2 explosive at once. no, you can lay all six at once |
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[Veteran_Bob Deorum]
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Posted - 2012.06.10 20:13:00 -
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i agree they are weak against tanked tanks haha but if you put a remote explosive under a gunnlogi with no tank on hte logi it will kill it haha
With my current gunnlogi I run with 5k shields and about 55 to 60% resists and a shield booster so it would take like 5 remote explosives to kill me. if not more.
But again I agree with you I think they should do a bit more damage
them exploding is a bug, I found that if you no not spam the throw button they do not explode, I have placed all 5 under a tank before. |
[Veteran_Bob Deorum]
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Posted - 2012.06.10 20:24:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Nova Knife wrote:They are actually incredibly useful against tanks, and other vehicles will die with one explosive, every time. They are amazing to use as manual mines as traps against infantry.
But, if you think at any point a single person is going to take out a tank... You're just expecting way too much. Tanks require teamwork to take out, this is how it should be. Most smart tank drivers retreat when they start taking fire. If they are not standing still, place a ton of them on the road behind it when your buddy is about to hit it with a swarm launcher. When they back up along the road to get out of the swarm's targeting sight.. Kaboom. Your RE's finish it off.
They are incredibly useful, you're just not using them properly. They do between 900 and 1.4k damage, the number itself isn't listed but that's what we worked it out to be close to. what? I dont even know where to start. first, you can only lay 2 explosive at once. there is no "I place a carpet of bombs" behind the tank to finish it off. second, if they would do 1.4k damage per explosive then my 2 explosive would definately take alot more shields of a sagaris then those pathetic 30%, and you definately would take down structures much faster. I dont expect them to kill it outright but 30% of a tank seems a bit low for the effort it takes to set it up.
you can place 5 explosives just do not spam the throw button and they will not explode when you place them.
1.4k damage is about right. like I said earlier in my gunnlogi I run with 5k shields and 60% resists so two explosives would do me about 1.2k damage which is about 30% shields so. and thats being generous.
and also keep in mind that if te person uses the better version of the gunnlogi it starts with a inherent bounes to shield resists (I think, or at least seems like it) and it has more shields at start so.
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[Veteran_Cantus]
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Posted - 2012.06.10 21:08:00 -
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I have to agree with those who say that the RE's are not meant to insta-kill tanks unless the tanks have very weak shield/armor or have already taken lots of damage before the explosion. Jack, the fact that you were not able to take out a Sagaris (which is a Marauder class tank - very powerful indeed) with only two explosives really didn't surprise me at all. The tank probably had a sufficient shield buffer or fitted for maximum resistances to mitigate the damage. I would do the same if I was driving that thing. Who wouldn't?
As for the E3 video, you saw the explosion as the tank was in the middle of a massive fire fight. It's possible that the tank was already taking damage long before the guy came in and took it out with a single RE. |
[Veteran_Ignatius Crumwald]
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Posted - 2012.06.10 21:43:00 -
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Also, keep in mind that the E3 build isn't the one we're playing and there are going to be different kinds of RE, mines, and grenades for different jobs. |
[Veteran_Jack McReady]
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Posted - 2012.06.11 07:45:00 -
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I get all the arguments but I am not really convinced yet. ok, I can place 5 mines I get that, I tried it out and with those I can get about 70% if their shields.but the effort for the remotes is just too big for the reward you get and you still cant effectively take out structures with it. the explosive dont stick to the target and I think they vanish when you die. I basically have to get past the enemy, manage to run up to the tank without getting killed/spotted then place the 5 remotes and manage to blow them up because they have like 1s activation time.
currently I use them to troll heavy suits (I see heavy, lay them down, run away, heavy follows... booom free kill :) ) but against structures and vehicles? I might aswell take the swarm launchers and use it as primary weapon combined with nanohives. When I walk up to a tank and spam his flank with 4 rockets volleys, I will deal alot more damage then those 5 remote explosives. I can also take down structures in no time with a swarm launcher. it is also much easier to perform and when I get killed in the meantime I still harmed my target. when I get killed during explosive carpeting I dealt zero damag and the explosives magically dissappear upon death. |
[Veteran_Hunter Cazaderon]
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Posted - 2012.06.11 10:54:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:everyone remember the E3 video, where the guy throw A SINGLE remote explosive to blew up the tank? today I had a tank heavy match. I saw a sagaris tank, I manage sneak up behind it, throw 2 under the tank (just like in the video) and BOOM.... but wait I turn around and what do I see? I just scratched the tanks shields, it took only ~30% of his shields away. really? they are useless against buildings, I run out of explosives before I penetrate the shields.
so the only purpose they have is to troll dropsuits that run to hack an objective or follow you around a corner, great :)
Did you ever thought of checking the damage done by a remote explosive ? Obviously no...
And believe me, 1/3 of a sagaris's shield ? it's already HUGE. Use 4 or 5 remote and the tank goes boom ONE SHOT. i know cause it happened to me lol.
And in no way it should require less than 5 remote to one shot a averagely fitted tank. |
[Veteran_Jack McReady]
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Posted - 2012.06.11 11:53:00 -
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Hunter Cazaderon wrote: Did you ever thought of checking the damage done by a remote explosive ? Obviously no...
And believe me, 1/3 of a sagaris's shield ? it's already HUGE. Use 4 or 5 remote and the tank goes boom ONE SHOT. i know cause it happened to me lol.
And in no way it should require less than 5 remote to one shot a averagely fitted tank.
you obviously never used remote explosive and are pulling out numbers out of the air. 5 remote explosives take away ~70% of shields of a properly fitted sagaris tank.
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[Veteran_Bob Deorum]
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Posted - 2012.06.11 22:14:00 -
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Hunter Cazaderon wrote:Jack McReady wrote:everyone remember the E3 video, where the guy throw A SINGLE remote explosive to blew up the tank? today I had a tank heavy match. I saw a sagaris tank, I manage sneak up behind it, throw 2 under the tank (just like in the video) and BOOM.... but wait I turn around and what do I see? I just scratched the tanks shields, it took only ~30% of his shields away. really? they are useless against buildings, I run out of explosives before I penetrate the shields.
so the only purpose they have is to troll dropsuits that run to hack an objective or follow you around a corner, great :) Did you ever thought of checking the damage done by a remote explosive ? Obviously no... And believe me, 1/3 of a sagaris's shield ? it's already HUGE. Use 4 or 5 remote and the tank goes boom ONE SHOT. i know cause it happened to me lol. And in no way it should require less than 5 remote to one shot a averagely fitted tank.
not to mention there are no damage states on the RE's.
they only say they have a range of 500m which is not correct anyway haha
and as I stated a gunnlogi can easily tank 5 remote explosives, it will have no shields left but it is possible. |
[Veteran_Eflin Trollunge]
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Posted - 2012.06.11 22:39:00 -
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My problem with RE's is that I used all but one of my RE's on one of the Railgun turrets(no not the objective ones) and it was still standing.
Honestly how RE's should work is
one for a structure two for a big structure and depending on the tank one or two
HOWEVER
instead of throwing them because honestly whenever I throw one it seems to slide like a greased air hockey puck which makes my brain hurt that the laws of physics seem to not apply to a small satchel.
but you literally place them, so you go through an animation of arming and attaching the RE to whatever you aim the crosshairs at.
so you either have to plan ahead to take out a tank and lay them as mines.....or get really bold and try and sneak up behind the tank to place on the tank itself.
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[Veteran_Cyprus Storm]
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Posted - 2012.06.11 23:33:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote: what? I dont even know where to start.
first, you can only lay 2 explosive at once. there is no "I place a carpet of bombs" behind the tank to finish it off.
second, if they would do 1.4k damage per explosive then my 2 explosive would definately take alot more shields of a sagaris then those pathetic 30%, and you definately would take down structures much faster.
I dont expect them to kill it outright but 30% of a tank seems a bit low for the effort it takes to set it up.
WRONG, u can lay down all your remote explosives and they are quite efficient. I have actually taken a few tanks, and at least 1 or 2 BY MY SELF with remote explosives, u just need to strategize, plan ahed enticepate the tanks route. 3-5 remote explosives right under it easily destroys a tank :) and i only have remote explosives at lvl1, cant wait to see what alse they have in store for RE :)
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[Veteran_Sha Kharn Clone]
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Posted - 2012.06.11 23:41:00 -
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Cyprus Storm wrote:Jack McReady wrote: what? I dont even know where to start.
first, you can only lay 2 explosive at once. there is no "I place a carpet of bombs" behind the tank to finish it off.
second, if they would do 1.4k damage per explosive then my 2 explosive would definately take alot more shields of a sagaris then those pathetic 30%, and you definately would take down structures much faster.
I dont expect them to kill it outright but 30% of a tank seems a bit low for the effort it takes to set it up.
WRONG, u can lay down all your remote explosives and they are quite efficient. I have actually taken a few tanks, and at least 1 or 2 BY MY SELF with remote explosives, u just need to strategize, plan ahed enticepate the tanks route. 3-5 remote explosives right under it easily destroys a tank :) and i only have remote explosives at lvl1, cant wait to see what alse they have in store for RE :)
Yep and every one of those tanks was mine being driven buy fail corp mates. Cyprus i hate you so much. When your back in eve im sending you an invoice. |
[Veteran_Cyprus Storm]
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Posted - 2012.06.11 23:45:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote: Yep and every one of those tanks was mine being driven buy fail corp mates. Cyprus i hate you so much. When your back in eve im sending you an invoice.
haha lol i'm sorry, but it made me feel good inside, PUNY TANKS no match for Cyprus |
[Veteran_Jonny Moreau]
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Posted - 2012.06.12 16:34:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:They are actually incredibly useful against tanks, and other vehicles will die with one explosive, every time. They are amazing to use as manual mines as traps against infantry.
But, if you think at any point a single person is going to take out a tank... You're just expecting way too much. Tanks require teamwork to take out, this is how it should be. Most smart tank drivers retreat when they start taking fire. If they are not standing still, place a ton of them on the road behind it when your buddy is about to hit it with a swarm launcher. When they back up along the road to get out of the swarm's targeting sight.. Kaboom. Your RE's finish it off.
They are incredibly useful, you're just not using them properly. They do between 900 and 1.4k damage, the number itself isn't listed but that's what we worked it out to be close to.
What? I take out tanks by myself quite a lot. I have a Heavy dropsuit with a forge gun and AV grenades that i use to take out tanks. A Gunnlogi will die in 8 shots at most, and sometimes a Sagaris can take most ammo in the forge and all 3 AV's, but the dirver is usually too cowardly to stand and fight me, so he runs away before i destroy his tank. |
[Veteran_Sha Kharn Clone]
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Posted - 2012.06.12 16:37:00 -
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Jonny Moreau wrote:Nova Knife wrote:They are actually incredibly useful against tanks, and other vehicles will die with one explosive, every time. They are amazing to use as manual mines as traps against infantry.
But, if you think at any point a single person is going to take out a tank... You're just expecting way too much. Tanks require teamwork to take out, this is how it should be. Most smart tank drivers retreat when they start taking fire. If they are not standing still, place a ton of them on the road behind it when your buddy is about to hit it with a swarm launcher. When they back up along the road to get out of the swarm's targeting sight.. Kaboom. Your RE's finish it off.
They are incredibly useful, you're just not using them properly. They do between 900 and 1.4k damage, the number itself isn't listed but that's what we worked it out to be close to. What? I take out tanks by myself quite a lot. I have a Heavy dropsuit with a forge gun and AV grenades that i use to take out tanks. A Gunnlogi will die in 8 shots at most, and sometimes a Sagaris can take most ammo in the forge and all 3 AV's, but the dirver is usually too cowardly to stand and fight me, so he runs away before i destroy his tank.
This good sir's is what Heavys were made for. me like |
[Veteran_Jonny Moreau]
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Posted - 2012.06.12 16:40:00 -
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It's always funny to watch a tank run away from one guy. I try to chase them down but the rather limited speed of the Heavy allows them to get away most of the time. |
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