DUST Search - Sniper Rifles vs Forge Guns

Kobain Irish Quiruz wrote:

Aeon Amadi wrote:

Let's go ahead and watch a four minute comedy video on why you should just tape a magnifying glass to the center of your screen and use a Forge Gun instead of using a sniper rifle.

I'll never understand the hypocrisy of how an immobile sniper killing people with five or seven shots from 400m away is somehow more OP than a sentinel with weapon/explosive damage resistance with a one-shot-everything weapon at 400m who still has the benefit of mobility. Apparently the deciding factor in whether or not either of those are OP is a scope, which is just ridiculous.

I'm sure there's going to be a boatload of "you suck" and "git gud scrub" - fact of the matter is that a Forge Gun can do just as much if not better (AV capability, mobility). And because of that, in combination with Dust 514's abyssmal map design which puts a tower with clear view on two objectives, you get situations like the above video where it is nigh impossible to get them off of a roof without an orbital strike - which can be difficult to attain at times. Proper gameplay balance is 3,500+ Warpoints to get an Orbital strike to deal with a handful of dudes that can totally cover just two objectives, I guess.

This really is stupid. Don't get me wrong, I'm no Gem Cutter (I don't have a zoom function on my TV) but I'm certainly not the worst sniper in the game either. Apart from having to deal with shoddy hit detection and the fact that the Efficiency Rating in the lower-right will lie to you (says headshot damage but it really means a miss) the sniper rifle just CANNOT do enough damage to make it worth while at times, even with the 300% headshot bonus. If a Sentinel can survive -SEVERAL- headshots and still lay you out with a single blast from a Forge Gun then what point is there to using a sniper rifle in the first place?

All of this is demonstrated with this video here, right down to the efficiency rating being just broken and the fact that even a bad Sentinel can out-class a sniper any day, even if that sniper has the initiative. Had I done the smart thing a year ago and specced into Sentinels when they were OP as hell, I would be able to put the dude down in one shot using the exact same weapon he's using because.... #balance? Here's a post by Skyline Lonewolf (another well known sniper) who echoes this sentiment.

Honestly, at this point, I'm just going to begrudgingly advocate that sniper rifles be removed from the game entirely because they serve no purpose any longer, their role on the battlefield has been neutered, and there is no way to make them viable without the entirety of the forums throwing a conniption fit. There is little to no support of sniper rifles - either through balancing or role mechanics.

Symbiotic Forks already took off back in February, even despite having an officer sniper rifle named after him. Gem Cutter took off years ago, and a lot of the more memorable snipers beyond that have left for greener pastures. I mean, honestly, how many of you actually look at someone on the player list and think, "Sniper" anymore?

And as much as I don't want this to be a rant thread, what honest to god discussion points can there be when the mass majority won't even hear proposals on how to make snipers better? What discussion can there be if the only thing the forums, CPM, and Devs seem to be willing to consider is a) nerf the sniper rifle b) fiddle with things that don't matter to the sniper rifle at all?

All I'm asking is to be proven wrong, here.

EDIT: Specced into Forge Guns. Considering how well I did with my first time using it since Closed Beta, I think I'll keep it.

Why on Earth would even try too snipe a large group of heavies on a tower with a sniper?
Ideally no one would snipe a large group of wearing Power Armor like suits, that can eat a a frikkin 50. Cal in the head like the bullet was a pebble

This ain't David and Goliath, this is Dust 514, no matter how good you are or how powerful you're gun is, Sniping a group of sentinels in Dust, Is you Fighting a family of Rhinos, it's impossible too beat


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SLENDER M4N Xer Cloud Consortium 765	Posted - 2015.07.17 09:10:00 - [1] - Quote Kobain Irish Quiruz wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Let's go ahead and watch a four minute comedy video on why you should just tape a magnifying glass to the center of your screen and use a Forge Gun instead of using a sniper rifle. I'll never understand the hypocrisy of how an immobile sniper killing people with five or seven shots from 400m away is somehow more OP than a sentinel with weapon/explosive damage resistance with a one-shot-everything weapon at 400m who still has the benefit of mobility. Apparently the deciding factor in whether or not either of those are OP is a scope, which is just ridiculous. I'm sure there's going to be a boatload of "you suck" and "git gud scrub" - fact of the matter is that a Forge Gun can do just as much if not better (AV capability, mobility). And because of that, in combination with Dust 514's abyssmal map design which puts a tower with clear view on two objectives, you get situations like the above video where it is nigh impossible to get them off of a roof without an orbital strike - which can be difficult to attain at times. Proper gameplay balance is 3,500+ Warpoints to get an Orbital strike to deal with a handful of dudes that can totally cover just two objectives, I guess. This really is stupid. Don't get me wrong, I'm no Gem Cutter (I don't have a zoom function on my TV) but I'm certainly not the worst sniper in the game either. Apart from having to deal with shoddy hit detection and the fact that the Efficiency Rating in the lower-right will lie to you (says headshot damage but it really means a miss) the sniper rifle just CANNOT do enough damage to make it worth while at times, even with the 300% headshot bonus. If a Sentinel can survive -SEVERAL- headshots and still lay you out with a single blast from a Forge Gun then what point is there to using a sniper rifle in the first place? All of this is demonstrated with this video here, right down to the efficiency rating being just broken and the fact that even a bad Sentinel can out-class a sniper any day, even if that sniper has the initiative. Had I done the smart thing a year ago and specced into Sentinels when they were OP as hell, I would be able to put the dude down in one shot using the exact same weapon he's using because.... #balance? Here's a post by Skyline Lonewolf (another well known sniper) who echoes this sentiment. Honestly, at this point, I'm just going to begrudgingly advocate that sniper rifles be removed from the game entirely because they serve no purpose any longer, their role on the battlefield has been neutered, and there is no way to make them viable without the entirety of the forums throwing a conniption fit. There is little to no support of sniper rifles - either through balancing or role mechanics. Symbiotic Forks already took off back in February, even despite having an officer sniper rifle named after him. Gem Cutter took off years ago, and a lot of the more memorable snipers beyond that have left for greener pastures. I mean, honestly, how many of you actually look at someone on the player list and think, "Sniper" anymore? And as much as I don't want this to be a rant thread, what honest to god discussion points can there be when the mass majority won't even hear proposals on how to make snipers better? What discussion can there be if the only thing the forums, CPM, and Devs seem to be willing to consider is a) nerf the sniper rifle b) fiddle with things that don't matter to the sniper rifle at all? All I'm asking is to be proven wrong, here. EDIT: Specced into Forge Guns. Considering how well I did with my first time using it since Closed Beta, I think I'll keep it. Why on Earth would even try too snipe a large group of heavies on a tower with a sniper? Ideally no one would snipe a large group of wearing Power Armor like suits, that can eat a a frikkin 50. Cal in the head like the bullet was a pebble This ain't David and Goliath, this is Dust 514, no matter how good you are or how powerful you're gun is, Sniping a group of sentinels in Dust, Is you Fighting a family of Rhinos, it's impossible too beat GJR once took out 6 Protobears with his bear hands. Nothing is impossible. Get ready Jadek. Mrs. Menahiem is waiting!