Firstly Aeon, I agree that sniper rifles should be fixed. The biggest problem seems to be hit detection when the target is just in line of sight past an object. The target information lies and you miss what should be a hit.

Rattati also has said he may increase zoom fidelity.

However I disagree with some things:

Firstly, forge guns should not be nerfed. Their range is 300m. Snipers therefore out range forge guns.
The sniper hit detection problem can be overcome by getting a clearer view of the target. Yes it's broken, but in that video it was clear your shots up to the tower weren't working. You should have moved back away from the wall.
Also, was there really not a better spot to snipe from?

Why make a rage filled post, insulting the community and trying to get forge guns nerfed? You should have just titled the tread "fix sniper rifle hit detection and efficiency indicator". Then you would have a very good point to make and great evidence.

In the meantime, try to get to better sniping positions. And if you shoot them and they take no damage, move away from the wall you are standing behind.

(Also tip: forge guns do no damage beyond 300m, so snipe from further away).

You are a horrible sniper Aeon.

Confirming I am a scrub who relies on crutches.

https://twitter.com/JadekMenaheim/status/621589203575537668

Ok, I guess you didn't specifically say nerf forge guns. But you post is so confrontational, and sounds pretty anti-forge, that's the impression I got.

Moving on, it would be great if CCP could fix the problem of snipers missing when the indicator says headshot.

What other things could be done to improve sniper rifles? Rattati might increase the zoom.

I have seen an increase of sniper use recently, and there are some maps / situations where they are devestating. For example, the domination map with the pipes leading to a central tower if dominated by snipers. Played a game where there was no chance at all of taking the point due to snipers covering the high ground above the point from goodness knows where. So they can be good.

My domination map example was just to show that snipers have the potential to be effective, given the right situation. It was just my best recent experience of snipers. But I agree, in most situations they don't seem to have much effect on the battle.

You've sniped in PC. What has that experience told you about snipers and what should be done?

hmm...


In this example:
Tactics:
- this point is in the middle of map. EASY accesible for all. Both attack and deffend.
Don't tell me that redline sniper have problem there... If redline sniper don't have problem there... why you?
If someone capture this point and deffend it .. don't cry.
If you can't hit target in stright line here (there isn't place for glitching) with eg. charged sniper rifle (OHK - yes you show us that you can use it, and this isn't officer weapon to counter normal weapon) ... don't...

Forges:
- 300m range .. vs vehicles
- 180-200m rendering of infranty (come - lets us it)

Sniper rifle:
- 400-450m for all targets (rendering and 'red dot')


If you want to replace sniper rifles by FG, I'm so happy. Now all people will be at battlefield and must be realy 'snipers'.

Will FG be fun for all... duno.
- need for slow and specialized fit (not all will work)
- no extra ammo
- no scope
- actualy at battlefield
+ at last vehicles will be keep distance

And doing 5-8 kills for all match will be the most anoying thing for todays snipers with 20+ kills per match.
But who knows.. maybe this is good way.

I'm going to have to skill into snipers to try it out properly aren't I? Can I get away without proficiency?

I'd quite like to try a cloaked min scout with a tactical sniper rifle.

Badass
I would opt for using the basic frame over the sentinel class, it's a good deal faster and cheaper. I fit my forge gun snipper to also work in CQC if the situation calls for it.

3x Myofibiril Stims
1x Adv Assault Forge Gun
1x Core Locus

It's does the job.
https://twitter.com/JadekMenaheim/status/621620624306401281

Perhaps the damage should just be increased. So you would one shot light targets. Two shot most targets, and headshot kill all targets.

In fact, how about giving all tiers the same damage and increasing mag size with tier. Std 5, adv 6 pro 7?

Why you think that counter for Forgeguners are only sniper rifles?

This is false from the start...

I agree, the only thing the sniper rifle needs is the increase in damage... not too much. And not messing with the zoom.
at range, as this date, i think the SR is balanced... in closer distances the kalakyota class weapon should be buffed in damage keeping the sway and everything else...
A FG will always fall when facing a SNIPER not a sniper Go snipers!!

Aeon Amadi in that video and in that map there were a lot of places to take out those heavy`s and assult k.0 with a SR.

Double post for a very important point (imho)

The forge does NOT need any nerfs at all.

It is the sniper rifles that need help. Removing / reducing the sway and giving them the ability to shoot while standing comes to mind.

Wait wait wait Aeon, I partialy agree with you on what you said, but how is that you need 6 or 7 sniper shots to kill one guy? One headshot and you OS anything !

Edit: btw, I consider all snipers as ***** licking cowards, so you'd rather don't have my POV on this topic.

Its not that difficult. If the guy you want to kill is moving then try to predict its movements. When they are running straight is quite easy to get the headshot. It might be a bit harder when they are moving in circles or erratically, but even then you can get a headshot if you hace patience and wait the right moment.

Again, patience. Thats what most people lack.

For me the fundamental difference between the two is... when I get sniped I think "Eat my dck you camping arseclown", and when I get forged at any range I think "That's a crafty fat bastid". Something about getting sniped just doesn't sit well with me in any game. Lazy good for nothing snipers hiding on a rock somewhere eating nachos....

To Aeon; I get your point with one headshot, one kill. Now, this is usually how it goes for me, except with heavys (altough sometimes I do get it). Of course, I have to fit like 3 damage modifiers, if I dont I cant get even one kill. Now, if I dont get the headshot is harder to get a kill in one shot, thats true.

Also, something I think its important and this is my opinion; lets say that you shoot with the sniper rifle and you get the kill. You shoot again and other kill. And again, and again and again. People start complaining because its OP. Like the remote eplosives. Now, I get you are saying it needs to be looked up and I respect that, really, however, I see sniper rifles a lot when the game is so kind to inform who got killed by who.

Problem with travel time is wiggle wiggle unless the muzzle velocity is high enough which could potentially make it balanced, but when you'd have to add travel time to everything else, because then, it really wouldn't make sense for an AR to hit instantly in comparison to a RR which should, for all intent an purposes, would instantly reach the intended target.

However, then you'd have to rebalance ALL the weapon's around muzzle velocity and damage, which could better balance out the game, as slow muzzle velocity and short range weapon's would have more damage, than long range, high muzzle velocity weapon's.

By that argument the Forge gun should be hitscan, not 500 m/s.

It is a freaggin rail gun after all.

the problem with comparing the forge to the sniper is the weapons do entirely different things, and don't behave the same way.

TTK on a forge gun from pulling the trigger to discharge is at minimum 2.25 seconds. It is never less.

One of the things no one acknowledges is the charge time in the comparisons, of which the charge sniper is the only comparable situation.

I'll be the first to admit. I only counter-snipe. But I use a sniper rifle (and a crapton of damage mods on a calmando) to do it. But comparing the function of the forge gun to the sniper is rather akin to comparing the flavor of apples and pants. there's very little similarity, and the sniper used to be functionally more lethal to infantry. The forge gun used to be the comedy option, not the preference.

What changed? I'm banking on the craptastic framerate and lag-stutter. The jittery-jerky movement in the end of the reticle, combined with the lack of inertia really does a number on the efficiency of the sniper, where in other games (which I still suck at sniping in) don't have as much of an issue HITTING, whereas just landing a body shot with a DUST sniper can be like pulling teeth.

But my personal issues with it seem to be framerate stutter.

Your experiences may differ.