They didn't focus fire on anything. No debate about that.

Any time 3 AV focus their fire on a tank, it dies. That is not up for debate, and people who say otherwise have never tanked in a PC. Most of the time 2 will do, but 3 will always do it.

That isn't some long drawn out fight either, its 9 Lai dais and good night. Done in literally less than 3 seconds, no amount of hardeners will stop it.

Every large socket has more than a half dozen spots where infantry can huck grenades from cover. Combined with places tanks MUST travel through to impact the battle in the large sockets, and tank control is trivial for a team in PC.

You don't know anything about PC tanking.

It's funny how many people think AV is OP despite the fact 3-4 guys can be trying to kill a tank and just die in droves. It's no joke that most proto tanks can kill 30+ people and never die, even withstand a major laser strike. The biggest joke is swarms for all that people seem to think their still OP after the latest nerf in their lock on range I have to wonder do these people ever try the other side of the coin?

They keep say jump in a tank and see how bad it is, but when was the last time they chased down a tank that can cut you down in half a second with AV weapons that require you to hit it 3-5 times minimum? Even a militia tank with full proto swarms, proficiency 5 and at least 4% dmg on the war barge takes 3 missiles most of the time. A hardened shield variant is even worse due to the dmg penalty vs explosives. You won't even see their shield bar move when you hit them. Keep in mind with swarms it has zero use against any infantry running around with a huge visual effect every time you fire that screams "Kill me".

Over all I don't mind tanks being hard to kill, forcing half the team to chase them down is a valid role in wasting the enemies time. I do think however tanks anti infantry capability should be toned down drastically. Imo the large turret should be nearly useless against infantry while the small turrets should be extremely effective within 100-150min range max. That not only solves the problem of being to easy to kill and a waste of ISK but their ability to be one man killing machines. I can accept a tank slaughtering it's way threw the map if 3 players are required to operate it. But 1 man tanks going 40-0 is insane.

As it is now not only can tanks work fine without gunners, it's usually a waste of time to have them. The small turrets are largely ineffective and having 3 players ride in one tank is a large waste of man power on a 16 man team. But one major thing to consider when you think about vehicles... if they get nerfed to bad no one will ever get the vehicle kill assist mission done ever again ;)

Assuming Armor HAV efficiency rates are above acceptable bounds and Shield HAVs are below:

* Limit all vehicle fittings to 1 hardener
* Decrease chassis and turret costs by 25% (all vehicles, all turrets)
* Decrease speed and acceleration of Armor HAVs
* Increase speed and acceleration of Shield HAVs
* Increase Large Missile Turret Reload Speed
* Increase Packed RE blast radius and damage

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If afterwards, HAV efficiency rates remain out of balance:

* Decrease Large Blaster Turret Accuracy
* Decrease Large Blaster Turret Range