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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2015.07.14 04:42:00 -
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LOL @ Tebu Gan
It's very easy to turn a profit running militia suits in PC.
In tonight's battle against Neg Feedback. I only lost 18k total in cheap suits. Made 270k ISK and 200 DKs in net profit!
All players except for Slender and VC, corp members, were recruited from public squad finder. They enjoyed the laughs and no guilt content against NF.
https://twitter.com/JadekMenaheim/status/620813367230468096
Op success!
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2015.07.14 07:33:00 -
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Xer Cloud Consortium members will likely want to raid NF. again.
Officers of Negative Feedback., I suggest recruiting our top earners to stymie CP gain.
https://twitter.com/JadekMenaheim/status/620858177479929856
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2015.07.14 07:43:00 -
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Bonus:
NF. member Aeon Amadi's (very glitchy) video of raid.
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2015.07.14 07:45:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:Interesting stuff.
Keeping it up against the corps who are too proud of their k/ds to not run proto even when only BPOs are getting thrown at them will feed this all day long.
I almost wonder if this will turn many PCs into outright BPO matches when one team realizes that the other is doing exactly that so they are not going to make a profit after 1 death.
I welcome this kind of meta warfare. A team may simply be fronting that they are pushing waves and waves of BPOs at you when in fact they are seeding your back lines with proto scouts. 
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2015.07.14 07:47:00 -
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xavier zor wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Interesting stuff.
Keeping it up against the corps who are too proud of their k/ds to not run proto even when only BPOs are getting thrown at them will feed this all day long.
I almost wonder if this will turn many PCs into outright BPO matches when one team realizes that the other is doing exactly that so they are not going to make a profit after 1 death. proto gear beats BPO gear why would you run anything BUT proto gear in a PC anyway??
Maybe you are a little slow on the uptick of the changes to slot progression.
Our players and randoms still made a profit in that battle.
Plus, the APEX shotty is king.
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2015.07.14 07:54:00 -
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^ Many exciting changes in the meta await you!
"Exciting" is a matter of perspective of course.
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2015.07.14 08:43:00 -
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+1 For more content opportunities.
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2015.07.14 10:54:00 -
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Moe, it got a bit chaotic with the invites. I do apologize that you waited and were unable to get in. However, the only way to have a better chance of entering is to join corp. All members can queue in as long as the space isn't occupied.
Note: Corp members may compete against each other to queue in platoons, squads, fireteams, or solo deploy first. This is by design in XERCC.
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2015.07.14 11:35:00 -
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Mina Longstrike wrote:Dust User wrote:I fail to see the fun in not even trying to win.
And all for a measly 200k. Grab cheap apex suits. Tear it up and do as much damage as you can, even with the knowledge that you'll lose. Come away with a profit and a weakened 'enemy'.
Exactly, there's also the fun (for some) of playing mind games with people before deployment and on the field. Whoever FC's next battle might want to play it seriously. If the enemy team was prepared to bring their B-team trainees, there might be a last second scramble from command.
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2015.07.14 19:59:00 -
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Shadowed Cola wrote:All the work to grab and set up a team just for pub pay outs?
did you guys get stomped that hard? Payouts usually are well over 1.5million
I made the platoon open on public squad finder remember. It filled up in under two minutes with people looking to gladly spam militia against NF. The only awoxer we had was dropship captain, but he's been added to the list now.
https://trello.com/b/YkwAIUe2/dust-514-corporations-dossier
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2015.07.14 21:28:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:Yet, how do you feel about the players that honestly don't give a second thought to isk efficiency. It would be years before you could actually "dent" anyones wallet. With trading and the warbarge, being isk poor is a thing of the past for me.
A good point. You really can't play the ISK war against these players. I would say you can play the time investment and logistics angle. The enemy team has to coordinate to log on at a specific time to check who they are fighting against on their district, while myself or (some other competent button pusher from XERCC corp) can simply log on, make a public platoon in squad finder and offer militia PC content against a well known corp.
You only really need a 15 minute lead time to gather people from squad finder and various chat channels for this kind of militia PC. You can also do a cursory check for known awoxers in that span of time after locking the squad. People enjoy fighting against the odds in a militia PC battle against known proto corps. If we win, the feeling of victory is massive.
https://trello.com/b/YkwAIUe2/dust-514-corporations-dossier
Finally, the squad finder pickup system is also a nice recruitment tool for my corp as ringers don't receive DK from a battle loss. This gets people in the door and encourages them to stay once they see they can take from the corp wallet, drop clone packs anywhere they please, and get officer gear and AUR SKINs for being high CP earners.
(PS. Feel free to copy an part of this system)
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2015.07.14 23:40:00 -
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Cheers Aeon for providing the data from your side on the raid.
Yes, while both sides made an ISK profit and XERCC is down 25k CP, randoms and corp members got a variety of content out of the battle.
How did all the other battles go for you that night? NF. was being attacked pretty frequently.
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2015.07.15 00:08:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Jadek Menaheim wrote:Cheers Aeon for providing the data from your side on the raid.
Yes, while both sides made an ISK profit and XERCC is down 25k CP, randoms and corp members got a variety of content out of the battle.
How did all the other battles go for you that night? NF. was being attacked pretty frequently. We won all of them, lol. Some were no-shows, few others were completely ringer matches (we're going to work on that as we have a policy that if you can't field at least 50% of your own people then you don't deserve the district). Which, there's a few corporations out there that have districts and they have <32 members in their corp so we're going to be hitting them next and probably turning the district over to corporations that actually -want- to PC. So, if you're interested in making Xer Cloud Consortium a PC group, lemme know and I'll talk to the brass about giving/selling you guys a district.
Aeon, Xer is not designed as a land holding corp. Others can fill that role. If we do get a district, clones will be continually sold off for DK with CP as all members have planetary logistics roles.
We are laser focused on wildcard/militia raiding. 
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2015.07.15 00:13:00 -
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^ There is no hiring. But sending ISK is still welcome.
Again, all members are given roles to attack districts; alts and mains are welcome to join and place the attack orders themselves when the CP is available. We have space for 12600 members.
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2015.07.15 00:24:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:If this is Dust's end-game "working as intended", I (for one) am not interested. This is embarrassing.
PS: You could've made that 270k Isk alot easier running a couple pubs.
God, some people just don't get this is a sandbox. Play in it however you want and quit your whining. This is good step for Dust as a F2P game--the goal of which is to be accessible to many customers, not just a few 'elites' of a game who seem to want to be gatekeepers of content.
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2015.07.15 00:31:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:The whole raiding concept seems EXTREMELY tedious from the viewpoint of a district-holding corp; they have to get all ready to a match that in the end was probably very boring and unprofitable for them.
And, only 270K profit, Jadek? What was even the point then? Too much effort for too little gain.
I just log in, and grab people from public corp finder a few minutes before battle. Very little effort on my part, compared to the defending district having to log on, coordinate teams and make sure it's really a militia team they are going against.
Working intended as a meta tactic.
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2015.07.15 00:50:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Really, I think that's selfish.
You must be joking if you think that this new system really is an improvement, and I hate the mentality that certain people have, which is, essentially, 'I don't care that they have to spend all that time preparing for something that they know is pointless and unfun, as long as I get my yippies!'
As someone who really has been involved in PC seriously, it pains me that I no longer have the desire to be in a PC corp, because PC is so boring now, what with all the 'raiders' wasting my time for... What? 270K.
Faction Warfare q-syncs are now a place to get your jollies of intense battles.
As for holding land, corps will have to deal with this behavior, of which there are many ways with Xer Cloud Consortium.
-Poach any of our high CP earning players, with recruitment packages.
-Use alts to join XERCC and place attack orders on districts other than yours.
Remember, raiding corps become toothless if you cut off their ability to produce CP.
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2015.07.15 01:08:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:No, that's not good enough. This raiding system is sloppy, lazy and needs to replaced by a PROPER raiding system.
What are you looking for? A polite gentleman's declaration?
Good sir, I would be pleased to conduct a show of militia arms upon your lands. I shall henceforth proceed upon the morrow. Have a bully day.
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2015.07.15 01:45:00 -
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^Raid mechanics look cool, but what is the logic behind the 48 district defense against more raids, rather than just being an artificial block.
Quote:On Raider Loss, Raider Corp cannot raid districts belonging to victorious Defender corp for 48 hours.
Does the winning district pick up some kind of temporary IFF code against raiders warbarges deploying from space which assists the defender's district orbital cannons with increased ability to shoot the same raider's ships on sight.
I would make the addition that if raider corp attacks defender corp within this 48hr period after losing they have a 25% chance or greater of having the clone pack auto-fail thus losing all of those command points.
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2015.07.15 02:02:00 -
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Adipem, I would still like a reason for how the block is possible in the first place.
What are your thoughts on the IFF transponder point I put forward?
I would also like to put forward the idea the IFF transponder codes can be changed with a large investment of CP from the raiding corp in order to attack the same district with in the 48hr period (this would reduce or eliminate the probability for a clone pack to auto-fail, because the district knew your IFF and blew up your transport ships with their district orbital cannons.)
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2015.07.15 02:38:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Suggested mechanics are rough; freshly pulled from arse; have yet to polish :-) I absolutely love your IFF idea and override. The more stuff to spend CP on, the better. Alternatively, (spitballing) could put tactical consumables like this in the DK Market. Another player recommended selling district "Raid Screens" for DK.
Ooooh. Corp to corp trading of mega value items would be most interesting to see play out.
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2015.07.15 06:30:00 -
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Moe Lester III wrote:Hey, Jadek, whats your corp tax set at?
10%, not quite like the 0% rate your old corp had. I don't believe Murder 4 Hire gives its members open access to the corp wallet either. 
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2015.07.17 07:33:00 -
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A new militia battle against Negative Feedback commences. [Saturday, July 18, 2015 at 10 EST]
https://twitter.com/JadekMenaheim/status/621945391039283200
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