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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.07.12 19:17:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:I don't play eve (too complicated) but I wanna ask.
This is what I know.
Earth as we know it but thousands of years in the future. New technologies, we head out to space and explore, find a worm hole and we are I. New Eden. Hole collapses and colonies are shut off and perish.
Stuff happenes. 4 races emerge from corners of new Eden.
First to emerge were amarr I think then Gallente then caldari then minmatar
Then more stiff happen
amarr find Gallente and try to enslave but fail I believe (cuz Gallente kick @$$)
Gallente and caldari are the allies and stuff
Amarr find minmatar and enslave them for centuries.
Time passes.
Tension between Gallente and caldari break and we are enemies. Gallente also f**** caldari prime (cuz we kick @$$)
Amarr I think find jove and Jove humiliate amarr (cuz they also kick @$$)
Minmatar see that and make a huge rebellion and most find freedom (or few I think) this freedom mass drivers and hmg.
Gallente aid minmatar and we are now allies.
Caldari are amarr allies now? Yes.
Jove are neutral and just sleeping somewhere.
Currently, amarr want to fight them? They gonna lose cuz Jove kick @$$
Is this correct?
Amarr- armor heavy tankers, slow, medium to long range,
Caldari- shield tankers,medium speed, long range
Gallente- armor tank and rep, medium speed but also fast because in kincats or what ever they have in eve, cqc
Minmatar- dual tank and rep, fast speed. Mid range
Couldn't be more wrong.
It however starts out moderately well. Humanity advances incredibly far down its technological pathways eventually sending colonists through a naturally occurring wormhole known as the EVE Gate and into a new far flung cluster which the colonists call New Eden. However all is not well as mankind spreads out among the stars and in time the EVE Gate collapses upon itself stranding the colonists and throwing them into a technological dark age.
Thousands of years eventually pass and as you said four distinct groups pull themselves from the wreckage to achieve a level of interstellar travel. The first arguably are the theocractic Amarr who have conquered their homeworld of Athra and looked to the stars in the homes of claiming them.
They are followed quickly by the Gallente who in turn discover and approach the Caldari in their home system of Luminaire as well as the thriving Minmatar Empire.
Where you go wrong is where you start talking about the Gallente and Amarr relations. The Amarr and Gallente have never really entered into meaningful hostilities as the Amarr in expanding form their homeworld began enslaving less developed entities using their superior technological prowess. Udorians, Ealur, Ni-Kunni, then the Minmatar.
After such a time the Amarr eventually encountered the Gallenteans who appeared to be more than a technological match rivalling the Empire in size. Rather than fight the Amarr and Gallente agreed to a tenuous peace.
More to come.
Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.07.12 19:25:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:True Adamance wrote:Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:I don't play eve (too complicated) but I wanna ask.
This is what I know.
Earth as we know it but thousands of years in the future. New technologies, we head out to space and explore, find a worm hole and we are I. New Eden. Hole collapses and colonies are shut off and perish.
Stuff happenes. 4 races emerge from corners of new Eden.
First to emerge were amarr I think then Gallente then caldari then minmatar
Then more stiff happen
amarr find Gallente and try to enslave but fail I believe (cuz Gallente kick @$$)
Gallente and caldari are the allies and stuff
Amarr find minmatar and enslave them for centuries.
Time passes.
Tension between Gallente and caldari break and we are enemies. Gallente also f**** caldari prime (cuz we kick @$$)
Amarr I think find jove and Jove humiliate amarr (cuz they also kick @$$)
Minmatar see that and make a huge rebellion and most find freedom (or few I think) this freedom mass drivers and hmg.
Gallente aid minmatar and we are now allies.
Caldari are amarr allies now? Yes.
Jove are neutral and just sleeping somewhere.
Currently, amarr want to fight them? They gonna lose cuz Jove kick @$$
Is this correct?
Amarr- armor heavy tankers, slow, medium to long range,
Caldari- shield tankers,medium speed, long range
Gallente- armor tank and rep, medium speed but also fast because in kincats or what ever they have in eve, cqc
Minmatar- dual tank and rep, fast speed. Mid range Couldn't be more wrong. It however starts out moderately well. Humanity advances incredibly far down its technological pathways eventually sending colonists through a naturally occurring wormhole known as the EVE Gate and into a new far flung cluster which the colonists call New Eden. However all is not well as mankind spreads out among the stars and in time the EVE Gate collapses upon itself stranding the colonists and throwing them into a technological dark age. Thousands of years eventually pass and as you said four distinct groups pull themselves from the wreckage to achieve a level of interstellar travel. The first arguably are the theocractic Amarr who have conquered their homeworld of Athra and looked to the stars in the homes of claiming them. They are followed quickly by the Gallente who in turn discover and approach the Caldari in their home system of Luminaire as well as the thriving Minmatar Empire. Where you go wrong is where you start talking about the Gallente and Amarr relations. The Amarr and Gallente have never really entered into meaningful hostilities as the Amarr in expanding form their homeworld began enslaving less developed entities using their superior technological prowess. Udorians, Ealur, Ni-Kunni, then the Minmatar. After such a time the Amarr eventually encountered the Gallenteans who appeared to be more than a technological match rivalling the Empire in size. Rather than fight the Amarr and Gallente agreed to a tenuous peace. More to come. Oh. I honestly dont even know where I read it thought that, I just had that in mind and typed. But it's why I ask.
In short
No the Gallente and Amarr have never been to war. However a specific nobleman did attack Solitude, a Gallentean region, however the Empress CHOSE not to support him and allowed the Gallenteans to in turn strike directly at the Kador homeworld.
Gallenteans and Amarr started CONCORD.
At Vak'Atioth the Amarr became the first Empire to have the technological prowess to combat a Jovian fleet and although they lost their fleet of 200 ships, a small arm of the entire fleet which contained dreadnaught class vessels, they destroyed 1/3 of the enemy fleet. Nowadays our titans match Jovian Motherships in size.
Caldari and Amarr are more friends of convenience than anything else.
Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.07.12 20:44:00 -
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Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:Seems ok except Minmatar are extremely close range that have to fight in falloff range unless they can close to point blank. They use constant speed. This is opposed to Gallente who fight at reasonably close range and move straight in with spurts of speed to attack and must be within optimal range with very little falloff range. Gal blaster turrets are high tracking whereas Min turrets are high damage.
Amarr are more about just moving straight in and tanking damage. So eventually they'd go CQ, but work well from afar as they clean up before they get to the enemy. Caldari stay back until the enemy is done.
Yes and no. Autocannon are slightly longer range than Blasters, and Artillery can fire out to Laser level ranges meaning the Minmatar are flexible enough to do both. Also while the Amarr have some ships capable of tanking heavy damage I've found that the general Amarrian battle doctrine focuses more on kiting from medium range and being able to sustain you capacitor longer than you opposition.
Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.07.12 21:57:00 -
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Dzago Sevatarion wrote:The Gallente and Amarr also signed a rather comprehensive free trade agreement.
TBH I think there'd be more durable relations between them if not for the whole Minmatar slavery thing.
Actually as a result of trade agreements with the Gallente and in dealings with the SCC Free Markets Slavery has become and intergalactic industry instead of the carefully controlled and regulated religious precept the Amarr hold to.
Slavery in Amarr is illegal. However slavery outside of Amarrian spheres of authority is a thriving industry because we are unable to legally police it.
Amarrian capsuleers have recently been lobbying to make it illegal once more to sell slaves on the open markets in order to prevent the phenomenon known as 'deathcanning' and the massacres of slave by psychotic butchers with no respect for the institution.
Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.07.12 23:32:00 -
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Omega Nox wrote:True Adamance wrote:Dzago Sevatarion wrote:The Gallente and Amarr also signed a rather comprehensive free trade agreement.
TBH I think there'd be more durable relations between them if not for the whole Minmatar slavery thing. Actually as a result of trade agreements with the Gallente and in dealings with the SCC Free Markets Slavery has become and intergalactic industry instead of the carefully controlled and regulated religious precept the Amarr hold to. Slavery in Amarr is illegal. However slavery outside of Amarrian spheres of authority is a thriving industry because we are unable to legally police it. Amarrian capsuleers have recently been lobbying to make it illegal once more to sell slaves on the open markets in order to prevent the phenomenon known as 'deathcanning' and the massacres of slave by psychotic butchers with no respect for the institution. So the Amarr can say that slavery is based on merit.
No.
Amarr see slavery as a religious aspect of their culture. On one hand it represents a single unified attempt to culturally indoctrinate a large population over time and across generational boundaries, on the other it represents an attempt by the Amarr to follow an obscure reference in Scripture which would suggest the Amarr have a divine right to rule.
From these two things a culture amongst the Amarrian nobility came to exist where in each noble family one is designated a 'Holder' with the right and responsibility of controlling and educating these slave groups. Normally this is a rigorously policed practice to ensure a Holder is both fulfilling their responsibilities and not abusing their power over these people. Speakers of Truth are akin to spies, judges, and executioners in Amarr space and have the last say on such matters.
In the end you must remember that in Amarr the only purpose of slavery is to eventually make those descendants of the originally taken Minmatar slaves full citizens of the Amarr Empire and practitioners of the Faith.
Remember 2 important changes in modern Amarrian policy. The first is that Slave taking is illegal in the modern Amarr. Secondly mistreatment of slaves no matter your rank in society can and most likely will be punished incredibly harshly.
That being said mistreatment is a pretty flexible term. Beatings can be earned for lack of discipline. Execution can be earned as well. However wrongly subjecting a slave to coarse treatment is abhorred.
Remember that amongst the Amarr there are as many views on slavery, interpretation of faith and scripture, etc as there are people.
E.G- I view it as necessary. With so many people conquered/taken strict rule and a firm hand had need be taken resulting in the current generational slave stocks the Amarr and Khanid have. In this modern era with the Amarr stepping back from the role of 'conquerors' and into a role more akin to 'peacemakers' slavery is no longer a preferable or necessary practice where peaceful conversion and cultural exchange would suffice.
However should the Amarr make a significant conquest once again then slavery might become necessary as a form of control.
Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.07.13 00:39:00 -
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Omega Nox wrote:True Adamance wrote:Omega Nox wrote:True Adamance wrote:Dzago Sevatarion wrote:The Gallente and Amarr also signed a rather comprehensive free trade agreement.
TBH I think there'd be more durable relations between them if not for the whole Minmatar slavery thing. Actually as a result of trade agreements with the Gallente and in dealings with the SCC Free Markets Slavery has become and intergalactic industry instead of the carefully controlled and regulated religious precept the Amarr hold to. Slavery in Amarr is illegal. However slavery outside of Amarrian spheres of authority is a thriving industry because we are unable to legally police it. Amarrian capsuleers have recently been lobbying to make it illegal once more to sell slaves on the open markets in order to prevent the phenomenon known as 'deathcanning' and the massacres of slave by psychotic butchers with no respect for the institution. So the Amarr can say that slavery is based on merit. No. Amarr see slavery as a religious aspect of their culture. On one hand it represents a single unified attempt to culturally indoctrinate a large population over time and across generational boundaries, on the other it represents an attempt by the Amarr to follow an obscure reference in Scripture which would suggest the Amarr have a divine right to rule. From these two things a culture amongst the Amarrian nobility came to exist where in each noble family one is designated a 'Holder' with the right and responsibility of controlling and educating these slave groups. Normally this is a rigorously policed practice to ensure a Holder is both fulfilling their responsibilities and not abusing their power over these people. Speakers of Truth are akin to spies, judges, and executioners in Amarr space and have the last say on such matters. In the end you must remember that in Amarr the only purpose of slavery is to eventually make those descendants of the originally taken Minmatar slaves full citizens of the Amarr Empire and practitioners of the Faith. Remember 2 important changes in modern Amarrian policy. The first is that Slave taking is illegal in the modern Amarr. Secondly mistreatment of slaves no matter your rank in society can and most likely will be punished incredibly harshly. That being said mistreatment is a pretty flexible term. Beatings can be earned for lack of discipline. Execution can be earned as well. However wrongly subjecting a slave to coarse treatment is abhorred. Remember that amongst the Amarr there are as many views on slavery, interpretation of faith and scripture, etc as there are people. E.G- I view it as necessary. With so many people conquered/taken strict rule and a firm hand had need be taken resulting in the current generational slave stocks the Amarr and Khanid have. In this modern era with the Amarr stepping back from the role of 'conquerors' and into a role more akin to 'peacemakers' slavery is no longer a preferable or necessary practice where peaceful conversion and cultural exchange would suffice. However should the Amarr make a significant conquest once again then slavery might become necessary as a form of control. like i said, slaves merited slavery based on their existence, and the Amarr because of victory and enlightenment merit being slave owners. sort of like how the gaulente justify their NEO-FACIST government.
Again it is a yes and no as there are more factors that personal merit involved and simply put the Amarr do not see it that way.
On one hand you must consider the behaviour of the slaves. Prolonged periods of good behaviour, quick learning, acceptance and general practice of Amarrian beliefs reflect well on a slave, consequently a slave might be punished for failing to adopt practices quickly or not take lessons to heart. Additionally entire generations of slaves could be punished under one Holder for the rebellious actions of another slave or ancestor.
At the same time Holders also have pressure put on them. Holders emancipate slaves they like, slaves who serve well, or even slaves simply to appear that they are completing their duties however this comes at a cost to them in that they are losing out on potential serfs.
Also Amarr don't look at merit like the Caldari do. While Caldari look at it as a measure of ones contribution to the social group the Amarr see it as a natural supremacy as God's chosen people. Another example might be my character that I RP. He is of Udorian decent, at this point in Amarrian culture the Udorians and True Amarr are more or less indistinct unless the bloodlines attempted to preserve themselves, and while they are essentially the same Udorians are looked down by comparison when compared to a True Amarr Bloodline.
Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
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