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demens grimwulff
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Posted - 2015.07.12 21:05:00 -
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501st Headstrong wrote:I thought you were going to say a port either to PC or PA4. Anywho +1
Movement too a more advanced platform is necessary for Dust's survival... but once we get there, the bad mu system will only limit our growth.
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Darken-Sol
Intruder Excluder
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Posted - 2015.07.12 21:08:00 -
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Talos Vagheitan wrote:Matchmaking is a complicated issue. There's one thing I never see people talk about though.
The most popular mode in Dust by far, Domination is inherently one sided.
At least in most maps, the point is highly entrenched and easy to defend, which gives a huge advantage to whoever hacks first and gets links in the area.
By comparison, I've seen way more big comebacks in Acquisition and ambush much more often than Dom.
Maybe the Dom point needs to become mobile like Aq, or at least be placed in areas much harder to defend. Two points would be awesome.
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501st Headstrong
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2015.07.12 21:18:00 -
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demens grimwulff wrote:501st Headstrong wrote:I thought you were going to say a port either to PC or PA4. Anywho +1 Movement too a more advanced platform is necessary for Dust's survival... but once we get there, the bad mu system will only limit our growth.
Why do I feel like the MU isn't the issue however...? The main priblem imI see is newberries just dont understand the game? They dont understand suit styles, they play barely any Academy before being lumped in with the rest of us. Also, there are a lot of people on PS4, old vets. Fairly certain a stronger NPE and explanation, coupled with more players probably have a crudload of SP saved now would alleviate the issue
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Leither Yiltron
Molon Labe.
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Posted - 2015.07.12 22:31:00 -
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A few notes:
(1) Your place on the boards at the end of a PC match have no bearing on the amount of ISK you receive. It is meted out as an even split between all team members.
(2) Commenting that matchmaking "isn't working" is pointless. Of course matchmaking isn't working- there are roughly 2.5k people logged into Dust at any given point in time. Let's assume, rather generously, that 75% of them are actually in battle or looking for battle at any given point in time. That's 1875 players. Then you have to split everyone into different game modes and account for the fact that most of them should be playing a battle at any one point in time. I'm not going to crunch it, because it should be clear that the numbers get very small very fast. Why would it be particularly surprising that there are few good matches to be made?
Dust has problems on a fundamental level that many people, Rattati included, have characteristically felt like matchmaking is a magic-bullet to fix. But it isn't and never will be. Taken collectively these problems result in snowball matches and gameplay where players rapidly lose incentive to try to win, and in a feedback loop that rapidly escalates matches from bad to worse.
- Overly defense-oriented game modes disproportionately reward teams which rush to objectives and then camp at them over teams with mobility. It's hardly possible to find a gap in the armor when the defending team has very little incentive to move. There are a few specific aspects of this overarching theme that deserve their own mention:
- Lack of sincere secondary objectives reduces the relevant number of points required to be contested for a victory to a very small number
- Many objectives in Skirmish, for example, are typically placed so close together that the amount of ground that you need to hold to hold multiple objectives is further reduced. Many city maps' ownership revolves around a tiny smattering of choke points.
- Horridly defender-oriented map design. If an objective isn't in a tiny room with a small number of immutable entry points, it's in the midst of a pack of defenders' cover/emplacements surrounded by great gulfs of empty space where only a tree could fail to figure out where attacks are coming from.
- Utterly unreliable spawning, particularly for attackers. This is a gigantic, gaping hole that makes meaningful attacks on contested objectives an uphill battle. Dust has been leaning on Uplinks for 3 years even though they're garbage as a main spawning mechanic. In practice both CRU's and Uplinks are easily camped (this is particularly egregious for CRU's) because of a total lack of spawn protection. The cloaking mechanic has never been enough considering that all the available spawning mechanics dump the aspiring spawner in pinpoint accurate locations to be killed off while they're still disoriented from coming out of a black screen. Without a way to avoid crossing the "fields of death" on all of Dust's maps, players inevitably lose interest in pushing.
- Power disparity and creep in equipment. The most recent round of tiericide is a great start, but I doubt it's strong enough to give more than a taste of the kind of game improvements we can see from figuring out proper power balance. Dust's asset cost system gives an incentive for a winning team to put on better gear (as defenders, their risk of losing it goes down), while the losing team is pushed to move into cheaper gear (for fear that their lack of defensive footing will lead to a higher likelihood of losing it). The gear gap has been such that it was quite literally impossible to have fun or remotely fair fights as someone in, for instance, STD gear versus someone in PRO. Without 25m SP for all the right bells ans whistles it's still impossible. As soon as the match starts tipping one way or another the power gap on both teams widens, and without relevantly powerful support from teammates even players who want to use better gear can't possibly justify it.
- Clone counts which punish attackers from attempting to apply non-flipping pressure to objectives, which is absurd. In pub matches you're going to have a relatively uncoordinated team, and any time you make an unsuccessful push on an objective you move towards being ******. Clone counts are definitely stilted to favor defending players.
After three changes to matchmaking over as many years without a substantive improvement in match quality, it's bordering on insanity to imagine that any more tinkering with the numbers can more than marginally improve the situation.
That's not even the end of the list. Focusing community discussion concerning these long term issues and eventually identifying a basic consensus on them are the essence of what I'd like to bring to the table as a Council member. I've got a long ass history of sticking to my guns when long term as hell issues are identified by the community.
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