There are a lot of conflicting reports on how effective the matchmaking is with the new squad cap. I decided to log the results of public matches, and post them here for the community to see.

For the test, I've decided to play like a noob: Solo, Apex suit, All game types selected.

The results will be posted like this: EX: AM --- 15(13)V14(10) --- W-122-87 --- 8/2/1000

AM = Gametype (Ambush)
15 V14 = Players at start of the match (my team listed first)
(13)V (10) = Players at end of match
W = Win or Loss
122-87 = Clone count at end of match (my team listed first)
8/2/1000 = Kills/Deaths/WP



My stats:

Rank: Major
KD: 2.14
WL: 1.83
Start time: 1400UTC
Playing from Western North America
Server: Automatic



1.) D --- 13(13) V 13(5) --- W-135-112 --- 4/2/671 --- (Point never changed hands)
2.) D --- 14(11) V 15(14) --- L-44-115 --- 1/7/1305 --- (Point never changed hands)
3.) D --- 15(14) V 15(9) --- W-86-127 --- 4/3/975 --- (Point never changed hands)
4.) D --- 15(12) V 15(9) --- W-101-61 --- 4/1/1059 --- (Point never changed hands)
5.) D --- 11(5) V 13(13) --- L-86-139 --- 3/4/470 --- (Point never changed hands)
6.) D --- 15(14) V 10(9) --- W-67-28 --- 9/8/2075 --- (One point change at very end)
7.) D --- 14(12) V 9(3) --- W-127-126 --- 3/0/062 --- (You can guess)
8.) D --- 13(11) V 14(12) --- W- 78-76 --- 4/4/2613 --- (Good game, both teams pushed all match)
9.) Am --- 12(12) V 13(15) --- L- 0-10 --- 2/2/1895 --- (Notice the team that started with more players gained an additional 2 during the match)

I'll play more games to get a bigger sample, but the initial results are worse than I was hoping for.

These results really make a strong case for Progressice MCC damage. Even if it's just in pubs.

The biggest complaint is that people don't try in pubs.

Lots of words and effort expended to just say that people play like cowards in Dust. There hasn't been anything done to address it.

I would say increase the payout of isk, put in some kind of refund mechanic like in FW where you get a fraction of your losses or make the SP payouts even more tied to your performance. Right now after about 2-3k WP the SP stops really paying out that much. Money is mostly dependent on killing your enemy, but if your being spawn killed in the red line you can't do much about that. Far to many matches go with one team losing less than 10 clones.

I think a good safe place to spawn would do wonders for preventing the just give up matches. A redline buffer far enough that people can't just run in with scouts and shot gun you as you spawn would be nice on a lot of maps. An added bonus if the red line was pushed back more, or behind more obstacles like hills, people wouldn't be able to red line snipe either. Well not unless the enemy is still trying to push into the redline for kills.

Then I think it's fair, if your trying to spawn kill in the red line you deserve to be killed by a milita sniper riffle.

As much as I try not to go hunting near the redline, after a few one sided matches I get frustrated and try to find a way to have some form of entertainment in the video game I'm playing.

Your sample data is tainted. You need to wait a few weeks after the patch settles.

Thus far, I'm 6 losses in running a random squad from squad finder. Absolutely pathetic.

The matches are so one sided it's not even funny.

Edit: point never changed hands once in those 6 losses.

It's a pretty vicious cycle. People complain that the other team isn't trying, yet they run into the red line to stomp any attempts of recovery. Blasting vehicles out of the air and killing people as they spawn in. On other hand if the other team gave up, you have to do those things not just for fun but to earn WP. If you don't earn at least 150 you won't get any SP for the match...

Which is the other annoying part. Skirms it isn't so bad if a team gives up. With all 5 points the match goes pretty fast. In Domination though it seems to take forever to win via the MCC, even if you have the point the entire match.

The biggest complaint is that people don't try in pubs.

Lots of words and effort expended to just say that people play like cowards in Dust. There hasn't been anything done to address it.

I try in pubs I try hard.

Dominations where the objective flips several times, and it's down to the wire who will win or loose are rare, I agree.

However, there are several matches where the enemy gives all they have, but they can't break through which results in a 100% MCC win. Those games are fun as well, but can give a false sense of lopsided matches. So you need to be careful judging Dom.
Skirmish would probably be better as metric, or even Ambush.

With that said, I agree with NextDark it's too early to check for this data. The Dust must settle first with the tiericide and Fireteams changes.

There are a lot of conflicting reports on how effective the matchmaking is with the new squad cap. I decided to log the results of public matches, and post them here for the community to see.

For the test, I've decided to play like a noob: Solo, Apex suit, All game types selected.

The results will be posted like this: EX: AM --- 15(13)V14(10) --- W-122-87 --- 8/2/1000

AM = Gametype (Ambush)
15 V14 = Players at start of the match (my team listed first)
(13)V (10) = Players at end of match
W = Win or Loss
122-87 = Clone count at end of match (my team listed first)
8/2/1000 = Kills/Deaths/WP



My stats:

Rank: Major
KD: 2.14
WL: 1.83
Start time: 1400UTC
Playing from Western North America
Server: Automatic



1.) D --- 13(13) V 13(5) --- W-135-112 --- 4/2/671 --- (Point never changed hands)
2.) D --- 14(11) V 15(14) --- L-44-115 --- 1/7/1305 --- (Point never changed hands)
3.) D --- 15(14) V 15(9) --- W-86-127 --- 4/3/975 --- (Point never changed hands)
4.) D --- 15(12) V 15(9) --- W-101-61 --- 4/1/1059 --- (Point never changed hands)
5.) D --- 11(5) V 13(13) --- L-86-139 --- 3/4/470 --- (Point never changed hands)
6.) D --- 15(14) V 10(9) --- W-67-28 --- 9/8/2075 --- (One point change at very end)
7.) D --- 14(12) V 9(3) --- W-127-126 --- 3/0/062 --- (You can guess)
8.) D --- 13(11) V 14(12) --- W- 78-76 --- 4/4/2613 --- (Good game, both teams pushed all match)
9.) Am --- 12(12) V 13(15) --- L- 0-10 --- 2/2/1895 --- (Notice the team that started with more players gained an additional 2 during the match)

I'll play more games to get a bigger sample, but the initial results are worse than I was hoping for.

These results really make a strong case for Progressice MCC damage. Even if it's just in pubs.

Dominations where the objective flips several times, and it's down to the wire who will win or loose are rare, I agree.

However, there are several matches where the enemy gives all they have, but they can't break through which results in a 100% MCC win. Those games are fun as well, but can give a false sense of lopsided matches. So you need to be careful judging Dom.
Skirmish would probably be better as metric, or even Ambush.

With that said, I agree with NextDark it's too early to check for this data. The Dust must settle first with the tiericide and Fireteams changes.

Your sample data is truth. You need not wait a few weeks after the patch settles.

I would say increase the payout of isk, put in some kind of refund mechanic like in FW where you get a fraction of your losses or make the SP payouts even more tied to your performance. Right now after about 2-3k WP the SP stops really paying out that much. Money is mostly dependent on killing your enemy, but if your being spawn killed in the red line you can't do much about that. Far to many matches go with one team losing less than 10 clones.

I think a good safe place to spawn would do wonders for preventing the just give up matches. A redline buffer far enough that people can't just run in with scouts and shot gun you as you spawn would be nice on a lot of maps. An added bonus if the red line was pushed back more, or behind more obstacles like hills, people wouldn't be able to red line snipe either. Well not unless the enemy is still trying to push into the redline for kills.

I agree that there should be a bigger Payout also a survivor bonus if a team is down to only four or less. OK yes about the redline It should be a little farther so a team can regroup and go after the objective.

Now about the squad size You should have went Bigger not smaller, I think going in with 8 people in a match would be much better also it would be easy to fill up a squad if you had the ability to see who is on your team and so fourth.

About two update ago you removed the ability to see who is on your team in matches and the ability to join a squad if there was a slot or two open. I suggest bring that back.

And lastly Fix the Krin Damage Module and The Warbarge doesn't seem to be working properly or at all.

Thank You.

The biggest complaint is that people don't try in pubs.

Lots of words and effort expended to just say that people play like cowards in Dust. There hasn't been anything done to address it.

Thus far, I'm 6 losses in running a random squad from squad finder. Absolutely pathetic.

The matches are so one sided it's not even funny.

Edit: point never changed hands once in those 6 losses.

Or they try too hard and throw isk efficiency to the wind
(Don't lie we all dun it)

See you haven't changed bro. +1

This is how I play Dust. Especially now. Good, tough matches should be treated like holidays. When you see people throwing down, drop your sniper rifle and get in on the action. If you camp the CRU I spawn at, I'm coming in with a proto suit to try to kill as many of you as I can.

I will spawn 5 times trying to take a single point if I have to. I don't like going negative, but I want to win. I don't care if it's an ambush with outnumbered odds.

We have the ability to immediately come back to life in possibly a completely different suit combination and attempt to break the will of your opponent.

Do you not find it awesome to turn a match around just by completely destroying wave after wave after taking a stronghold on an objective? I'll never understand why someone would prefer to watch their wallet grow over this.

No chance we'll get 8 man pub squads unless the overall player in battle count increases.