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killertojo42
KnightKiller's inc.
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Posted - 2015.07.04 21:01:00 -
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Just faced tread loudly and man it was pathetic, so match started I rush across the map and kill him in a sica with my C/1 gladius, then he pulls out a gunnlogi CVO AND sits on the hill in the redline so I kill it, such a letdown and then his buddies AV spam, double letdown, then I run into him in a G/1 madrugar and couldn't kill me even with his AV buddies helping, so I get away then search the map for him to find him hiding in the redline on his hill, I kill him then he pulls out AV, finally die to an AV trap by him and 3 other guys, seriously why can't I get a good tank fight anymore, hell I messaged him after dying why not have his squad tank instead of cowering out, his excuse was saying I headglitched and camped his redline. I was asking for at least a 4v1 tank fight in his favor and he just AV traps me again, lol
Because both of us dying as I'm in my nomad BPO is to my benefit
rank 10 winmataar
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Apocalyptic Destroyerr
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
482
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Posted - 2015.07.04 21:04:00 -
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Dude tell me about it. Exelaint is such a sorry Tanker now. He Red Line Tanks. Ejecutor Caldari Red Line Tanks. What's going on ? |
killertojo42
KnightKiller's inc.
175
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Posted - 2015.07.04 21:08:00 -
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I know, I understand if they just recharge modules in redline then sprint out with AV being rediculous but it's just boring to tank now
Because both of us dying as I'm in my nomad BPO is to my benefit
rank 10 winmataar
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
9
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Posted - 2015.07.04 21:12:00 -
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killertojo42 wrote:I know, I understand if they just recharge modules in redline then sprint out with AV being rediculous but it's just boring to tank now
HAVs cost too much.
They are not disposable assets, therefore you always, always ALWAYS lose 4-7 matches worth of payout if you die in a proto tank.
Plus the redline being "safe" just means there's only going to be yo-yo play.
And the reason there's so much AV? Because for most people, killing a moderately intelligent tank driver requires two people or more.
Plus there's free swarm starter fits that everyone can swap to.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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killertojo42
KnightKiller's inc.
175
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Posted - 2015.07.04 21:20:00 -
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Proto HAVs cost too much, my basic tanks and sicas can easily turn profits but I need at least ADV to kill proto, but the thing shouldn't be they're too much, it should be use it or don't touch it
Because both of us dying as I'm in my nomad BPO is to my benefit
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Radiant Pancake3
Destinys Immortals
Rise Of Legion.
252
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Posted - 2015.07.04 21:21:00 -
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I drive an LAV drunk while i'm sober all the time... I'd probably lose 23Mil in one battle if I even started tanking. o.O
Personal Manager of Destinys Immortals.
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Pvt Numnutz
Prophets of the Velocirapture
2
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Posted - 2015.07.04 21:23:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:killertojo42 wrote:I know, I understand if they just recharge modules in redline then sprint out with AV being rediculous but it's just boring to tank now HAVs cost too much. They are not disposable assets, therefore you always, always ALWAYS lose 4-7 matches worth of payout if you die in a proto tank. Plus the redline being "safe" just means there's only going to be yo-yo play. And the reason there's so much AV? Because for most people, killing a moderately intelligent tank driver requires two people or more. Plus there's free swarm starter fits that everyone can swap to.
Yay now tankers can feel the pain that dropship pilots went through for years! Oh wait, I'm also a tanker....
Master Skyshark rider
Kaalaka dakka tamer
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killertojo42
KnightKiller's inc.
175
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Posted - 2015.07.04 21:28:00 -
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I've already brought up starter fit AV fits multiple times, they get spammed so much
Because both of us dying as I'm in my nomad BPO is to my benefit
rank 10 winmataar
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Stormblade Green
KnightKiller's inc.
99
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Posted - 2015.07.04 21:29:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:killertojo42 wrote:I know, I understand if they just recharge modules in redline then sprint out with AV being rediculous but it's just boring to tank now HAVs cost too much. They are not disposable assets, therefore you always, always ALWAYS lose 4-7 matches worth of payout if you die in a proto tank. And the reason there's so much AV? Because for most people, killing a moderately intelligent tank driver requires two people or more. Plus there's free swarm starter fits that everyone can swap to.
First of if you pull it out you run the risk of lossing it.... hence why I just spam full adv tanks.... funny really... lost 5 in last match.... didn't care.... anyway it can take 1 forge gun to take out any tank except proto.... and using your swarm fit logic is equivalent to the PLC fit..... annoying but easy to kill...
One might say... I'm very skilled... yet I'm his apprentice... So what does that say about my mentor?
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DeadlyAztec11
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
8
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Posted - 2015.07.04 21:29:00 -
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AV feels the same way. In Chromosome, AV and vehicles used to have long, drawn out fights.
Things are different now. I'm not sure whether they are better or worse.
Put your flags up in the sky.
And wave them side to side.
Show the world where you're from.
Show the world we are one.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
9
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Posted - 2015.07.04 21:34:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:AV feels the same way. In Chromosome, AV and vehicles used to have long, drawn out fights.
Things are different now. I'm not sure whether they are better or worse.
I find it lacking in fun.
Because of the cost, drivers and pilots wind up reverting to the most risk-averse idiocy, or they exclusively run fits like 2x rep/2x hardener.
It's gotten old. The Sagaris in chrome were actually a lot easier to solo than what we have now on the madrugar side. The current madrugar takes hits like the surya if you fit 'em right.
If tanks didn't cost more than 3-4x the cost of an equivalent AV fit (they cost somewhere in the neighborhood of 10x) we could justify giving them more bite and bringing the defenses down to "powerful, but not too obnoxious"
my objective for HAV balance is right around "Average Sagaris fit from chrome"
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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killertojo42
KnightKiller's inc.
175
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Posted - 2015.07.04 21:38:00 -
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It's hardners, I'd personally debuff hardners, debuff AV minus the forge gun which is supposed to be the most most powerful AV weapon, hell a proto forge should hit even shield harder than a proto PLC, the unnerf base tank HP and there you go, the reintroduction of proto HAVs is no longer bumpy
Because both of us dying as I'm in my nomad BPO is to my benefit
rank 10 winmataar
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killertojo42
KnightKiller's inc.
175
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Posted - 2015.07.04 21:41:00 -
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Oh and that gives extenders and every other module other than hardners an inherently higher purpose and more variety in tank fittings again
Because both of us dying as I'm in my nomad BPO is to my benefit
rank 10 winmataar
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JIMvc2
Consolidated Dust
1
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Posted - 2015.07.04 21:56:00 -
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When I tank I follow the enemy and NEVER bail out. If a tanker runs away = You are dead and I will find your tank and kill it.
I'll be online later at 7:30pm Western PM.
Why did the white girl cross the road? To get to Starbucks. <-- My GF will kill me if I ask her that lol :)
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Kail Mako
Capital Acquisitions LLC
38
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Posted - 2015.07.04 21:59:00 -
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The only time I even pull out my tank anymore is to deal with installations. The problem is that everyone in the game has proto AV now. It's not even funny. One tank on the field, and you can bet your butt that they'll be like 4 Wyrmkomis in the next 5 seconds. In my opinion ADS is where it's at. You have more maneuverability, better harass potential, and it's cheaper.
Who needs gun game when you have kinetic catalyzers?
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
9
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Posted - 2015.07.04 22:01:00 -
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killertojo42 wrote:It's hardners, I'd personally debuff hardners, debuff AV minus the forge gun which is supposed to be the most most powerful AV weapon, hell a proto forge should hit even shield harder than a proto PLC, the unnerf base tank HP and there you go, the reintroduction of proto HAVs is no longer bumpy
None of this solves the problems. It makes them worse. Picking factors at a whim is never a good idea.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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killertojo42
KnightKiller's inc.
176
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Posted - 2015.07.04 22:04:00 -
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JIMvc2 wrote:When I tank I follow the enemy and NEVER bail out. If a tanker runs away = You are dead and I will find your tank and kill it.
I'll be online later at 7:30pm Western PM.
Good to know, just how I like it, shame done with dust for today, celebrating being together 3 years with my girlfriend today
Because both of us dying as I'm in my nomad BPO is to my benefit
rank 10 winmataar
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killertojo42
KnightKiller's inc.
176
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Posted - 2015.07.04 22:06:00 -
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just my thoughts breakin stuff but everything you see in regards to AV and vehicles is based around hardners so change starts there if anything
Because both of us dying as I'm in my nomad BPO is to my benefit
rank 10 winmataar
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
9
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Posted - 2015.07.04 22:13:00 -
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killertojo42 wrote:just my thoughts breakin stuff but everything you see in regards to AV and vehicles is based around hardners so change starts there if anything
That's actually correct. But on the backend it's also passive reps.
Full skilled gv.0 can pull about 167 reps/sec with a single rep mod.
The break point can be argued as reps as well but nerfing both brings us back to UP maddies.
There's a stupid number of factors.
Then there's the fact that minimum engagement times with various AV options range from 25 seconds to LOLinvulnerable.
Swarms break that curve. PLC would be where I feel they need to be with a 5% reload speed buff and the shield module nerf on vehicles completely reverted.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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The KTM DuKe
0uter.Heaven
401
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Posted - 2015.07.04 22:15:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:killertojo42 wrote:I know, I understand if they just recharge modules in redline then sprint out with AV being rediculous but it's just boring to tank now HAVs cost too much. They are not disposable assets, therefore you always, always ALWAYS lose 4-7 matches worth of payout if you die in a proto tank. Plus the redline being "safe" just means there's only going to be yo-yo play. And the reason there's so much AV? Because for most people, killing a moderately intelligent tank driver requires two people or more. Plus there's free swarm starter fits that everyone can swap to.
In chrome tanks were more to expensives but now tanking is boring as hell, oh whatch a madrugar! Lets see who run out first of hardners, oh wait he is jumping out with lai day and SL. Madrugar need to be 2-5 with active reps and hardners moved down to 30% . Shield hardner shouldnt have any delay when you activate it
The official commando points farmer of 0uter.Heaven . Dont mind me, i play solo but my squadmates carry me.
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killertojo42
KnightKiller's inc.
179
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Posted - 2015.07.04 22:21:00 -
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Or like with fuel injectors only allow 1 hardner
Because both of us dying as I'm in my nomad BPO is to my benefit
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TIGER SHARK1501
Savage Bullet
RUST415
260
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Posted - 2015.07.05 03:13:00 -
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killertojo42 wrote:Just faced tread loudly and man it was pathetic, so match started I rush across the map and kill him in a sica with my C/1 gladius, then he pulls out a gunnlogi CVO AND sits on the hill in the redline so I kill it, such a letdown and then his buddies AV spam, double letdown, then I run into him in a G/1 madrugar and couldn't kill me even with his AV buddies helping, so I get away then search the map for him to find him hiding in the redline on his hill, I kill him then he pulls out AV, finally die to an AV trap by him and 3 other guys, seriously why can't I get a good tank fight anymore, hell I messaged him after dying why not have his squad tank instead of cowering out, his excuse was saying I headglitched and camped his redline. I was asking for at least a 4v1 tank fight in his favor and he just AV traps me again, lol
Pre 1.7 tanking was so exciting. I miss fights like that.  |
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