DUST Search - Melee spawn protection.

Fox Gaden wrote:

SHADOWBlood ASSASSIN wrote:

So today, I was running my Assault ck.0 melee fit and I ran up to an uplink to punch it dead. Unfortunately, right when I punched it, the link stayed, but I got a +50. I killed someone who hadn't even appeared on my screen yet. I felt bad and sent him an apology, but that's some BS. People should at least get the chance to run when they see someone right there. He hadn't even come out of the link yet.. Please fix this.

That is a hilarious coincidence, not a game breaking problem.

You just happened to punch someone who was cloaked. We don't know whether he was lining his gun up with your head getting ready to pull the trigger or was still loading in. A second or two later and he would have uncloaked before you punched. A second or two earlier and he would have seen your red dot near the uplink (because they have a small sensor radius now) and may have chosen not to spawn there.

If you had been shooting at the Uplink you would not have killed him. If you had been fluxing the uplink you would not have killed him. But melee or a Locus Grenade would kill.

I often chose to spawn at Uplinks or CRU's that have enemy close by so that I can ambush the camper. It is a risk for me to spawn, but not as much as before the spawn cloak and small sensor radius were added, and the cloak gives me a bit of an advantage over the camper.

When I run Logi I always leave a Remote Explosive on any Drop Uplink I place, so I encourage you to continue to punch Uplinks. When I play Logi I need all the free kills I can get. Twisted

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SHADOWBlood ASSASSIN The Hundred Acre Hood Rise Of Legion. 276	Posted - 2015.07.03 03:43:00 - [1] - Quote So today, I was running my Assault ck.0 melee fit and I ran up to an uplink to punch it dead. Unfortunately, right when I punched it, the link stayed, but I got a +50. I killed someone who hadn't even appeared on my screen yet. I felt bad and sent him an apology, but that's some BS. People should at least get the chance to run when they see someone right there. He hadn't even come out of the link yet.. Please fix this. "You only need a hundred acres to have one helluva hood" `-Shadow`
iKILLu osborne T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 824	Posted - 2015.07.03 04:44:00 - [2] - Quote SHADOWBlood ASSASSIN wrote: So today, I was running my Assault ck.0 melee fit and I ran up to an uplink to punch it dead. Unfortunately, right when I punched it, the link stayed, but I got a +50. I killed someone who hadn't even appeared on my screen yet. I felt bad and sent him an apology, but that's some BS. People should at least get the chance to run when they see someone right there. He hadn't even come out of the link yet.. Please fix this. And explosive damage (re,flaylock ,md,plc) or forge guns/rail tanks. It is a well known problem and ccp is yet to fix it (n`-´)+Æ;;; shotgun blast yo ASs Retired 62mil sp, z platoon vet, og shotty
Apocalyptic Destroyerr Shining Flame Amarr Empire 470	Posted - 2015.07.03 06:30:00 - [3] - Quote They need to give people a +2 second immunity.
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 1	Posted - 2015.07.03 07:18:00 - [4] - Quote Agree Official CPM Platform
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1	Posted - 2015.07.03 07:26:00 - [5] - Quote Oh dear god, yes they need to do this. Also, which Dev thought it was funny to make only one spawn on several of the Acquisition maps? A single tank can spawn camp an entire team. http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
Pierced Daddy Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 123	Posted - 2015.07.03 07:48:00 - [6] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote: They need to give people a +2 second immunity. That means not able to deal or receive damage. It should go both ways
xavier zor II 141	Posted - 2015.07.03 08:10:00 - [7] - Quote Pierced Daddy wrote: Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote: They need to give people a +2 second immunity. That means not able to deal or receive damage. It should go both ways you cannot deal or recieve damage for 3 seconds unless you move within the 3 second period. Does not include looking around. yeah?....thoughts? xavier zor's alt
iKILLu osborne T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 824	Posted - 2015.07.03 08:14:00 - [8] - Quote xavier zor II wrote: Pierced Daddy wrote: Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote: They need to give people a +2 second immunity. That means not able to deal or receive damage. It should go both ways you cannot deal or recieve damage for 3 seconds unless you move within the 3 second period. Does not include looking around. yeah?....thoughts? 3 seconds is to long it leaves the person awaiting there kill vulnerable to enemies and if the person has already spawned he has no choice but to camp the link (n`-´)+Æ;;; shotgun blast yo ASs Retired 62mil sp, z platoon vet, og shotty
xavier zor II 141	Posted - 2015.07.03 08:20:00 - [9] - Quote iKILLu osborne wrote: xavier zor II wrote: Pierced Daddy wrote: Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote: They need to give people a +2 second immunity. That means not able to deal or receive damage. It should go both ways you cannot deal or recieve damage for 3 seconds unless you move within the 3 second period. Does not include looking around. yeah?....thoughts? 3 seconds is to long it leaves the person awaiting there kill vulnerable to enemies and if the person has already spawned he has no choice but to camp the link lmao....he cant be killed for 3 seconds unless he moves within the 3 second peroid. xavier zor's alt
iKILLu osborne T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 824	Posted - 2015.07.03 08:30:00 - [10] - Quote xavier zor II wrote: iKILLu osborne wrote: xavier zor II wrote: Pierced Daddy wrote: Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote: They need to give people a +2 second immunity. That means not able to deal or receive damage. It should go both ways you cannot deal or recieve damage for 3 seconds unless you move within the 3 second period. Does not include looking around. yeah?....thoughts? 3 seconds is to long it leaves the person awaiting there kill vulnerable to enemies and if the person has already spawned he has no choice but to camp the link lmao....he cant be killed for 3 seconds unless he moves within the 3 second peroid. You idiot I'm referring to the camper it is unfair for them to leave their flank open to nearby reds to kill the spawned who is invunerable for 3 seconds . Count to 3 aloud and you will see my point 2seconds is a fairer number it allows for the spawned to quickly survey his area of any threats while also being fair to the camper who is leaving his self open to other threats to deal with the new one(person spawning in) (n`-´)+Æ;;; shotgun blast yo ASs Retired 62mil sp, z platoon vet, og shotty

DeadlyAztec11 Defenders of the Helghast Dream 8	Posted - 2015.07.03 09:10:00 - [11] - Quote People shouldn't get immunity. They simply shouldn't load into the battlefield until all the information is ready for them to load. That is they should load all at once. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
xavier zor II 144	Posted - 2015.07.03 10:31:00 - [12] - Quote iKILLu osborne wrote: xavier zor II wrote: iKILLu osborne wrote: xavier zor II wrote: you cannot deal or recieve damage for 3 seconds unless you move within the 3 second period. Does not include looking around. yeah?....thoughts? 3 seconds is to long it leaves the person awaiting there kill vulnerable to enemies and if the person has already spawned he has no choice but to camp the link lmao....he cant be killed for 3 seconds unless he moves within the 3 second peroid. You idiot I'm referring to the camper it is unfair for them to leave their flank open to nearby reds to kill the spawned who is invunerable for 3 seconds . Count to 3 aloud and you will see my point 2seconds is a fairer number it allows for the spawned to quickly survey his area of any threats while also being fair to the camper who is leaving his self open to other threats to deal with the new one(person spawning in) You are a noob and deserve to die if you are camping a link to get kills. I am sorry you suck so much at Dust and must kill spawns to achieve a kill git gud scrub xavier zor's alt
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 6	Posted - 2015.07.03 13:02:00 - [13] - Quote SHADOWBlood ASSASSIN wrote: So today, I was running my Assault ck.0 melee fit and I ran up to an uplink to punch it dead. Unfortunately, right when I punched it, the link stayed, but I got a +50. I killed someone who hadn't even appeared on my screen yet. I felt bad and sent him an apology, but that's some BS. People should at least get the chance to run when they see someone right there. He hadn't even come out of the link yet.. Please fix this. That is a hilarious coincidence, not a game breaking problem. You just happened to punch someone who was cloaked. We don't know whether he was lining his gun up with your head getting ready to pull the trigger or was still loading in. A second or two later and he would have uncloaked before you punched. A second or two earlier and he would have seen your red dot near the uplink (because they have a small sensor radius now) and may have chosen not to spawn there. If you had been shooting at the Uplink you would not have killed him. If you had been fluxing the uplink you would not have killed him. But melee or a Locus Grenade would kill. I often chose to spawn at Uplinks or CRU's that have enemy close by so that I can ambush the camper. It is a risk for me to spawn, but not as much as before the spawn cloak and small sensor radius were added, and the cloak gives me a bit of an advantage over the camper. When I run Logi I always leave a Remote Explosive on any Drop Uplink I place, so I encourage you to continue to punch Uplinks. When I play Logi I need all the free kills I can get. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
NextDark Knight Hellstorm LLC 814	Posted - 2015.07.03 13:42:00 - [14] - Quote Spawn invincibility should only be at ground spawn, followed by a unmanned drone response to sweep and clean red dots. MCC could use one of it's cannons to fire on red dots at the ground spawn. Tons of things that could be done. Over 60+ Million SP and full proto in all Caldari Suits. Dust just won't die on PS3/Xbox. Dustin since 6/29/2012
SHADOWBlood ASSASSIN The Hundred Acre Hood Rise Of Legion. 280	Posted - 2015.07.03 16:13:00 - [15] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: SHADOWBlood ASSASSIN wrote: So today, I was running my Assault ck.0 melee fit and I ran up to an uplink to punch it dead. Unfortunately, right when I punched it, the link stayed, but I got a +50. I killed someone who hadn't even appeared on my screen yet. I felt bad and sent him an apology, but that's some BS. People should at least get the chance to run when they see someone right there. He hadn't even come out of the link yet.. Please fix this. That is a hilarious coincidence, not a game breaking problem. You just happened to punch someone who was cloaked. We don't know whether he was lining his gun up with your head getting ready to pull the trigger or was still loading in. A second or two later and he would have uncloaked before you punched. A second or two earlier and he would have seen your red dot near the uplink (because they have a small sensor radius now) and may have chosen not to spawn there. If you had been shooting at the Uplink you would not have killed him. If you had been fluxing the uplink you would not have killed him. But melee or a Locus Grenade would kill. I often chose to spawn at Uplinks or CRU's that have enemy close by so that I can ambush the camper. It is a risk for me to spawn, but not as much as before the spawn cloak and small sensor radius were added, and the cloak gives me a bit of an advantage over the camper. When I run Logi I always leave a Remote Explosive on any Drop Uplink I place, so I encourage you to continue to punch Uplinks. When I play Logi I need all the free kills I can get. But since I'm one of the people who always punches links, people will die to this. I have died to this, I have killed with this and each time it happens, it pisses me off because it's unfair. "You only need a hundred acres to have one helluva hood" `-Shadow`
DAAAA BEAST Corrosive Synergy No Context 2	Posted - 2015.07.03 16:14:00 - [16] - Quote Are you trying to say that you're not a scrub ? Punching people out of uplinks is hilaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarious. CEO of Corrosive Synergy Preacher of FUN ,Teacher of LOLs Min Loyalist
SHADOWBlood ASSASSIN The Hundred Acre Hood Rise Of Legion. 280	Posted - 2015.07.03 16:16:00 - [17] - Quote No, it's not. What if that was you? Right as your screen fades from the deployment screen to the black transition screen, the grey death screen pops up because someone punched the uplink as you spawned. Seems fair? "You only need a hundred acres to have one helluva hood" `-Shadow`
No-one-ganks like-Gaston Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 145	Posted - 2015.07.03 16:32:00 - [18] - Quote SHADOWBlood ASSASSIN wrote: No, it's not. What if that was you? Right as your screen fades from the deployment screen to the black transition screen, the grey death screen pops up because someone punched the uplink as you spawned. Seems fair? Yes, it sucks to be killed randomly at spawn by someone who was just trying to melee the uplink. That's accidental, but a very rare occurrence. If you actually felt bad about accidentally killing someone who was potentially totally unprepared, that's great. It means you're not an asshat and likely don't camp. I like you. The problem isn't being melee'd, though, because, as I said, very rare occurrence. The problem is people who purposely camp with one shot capability weapons, like REs, a forge gun, or Nova Knives. Especially since the only ones who can survive heavy damage weapons are Sentinels specifically built up to take heavy amounts of damage. And even they are now at incredibly depleted health and are much more vulnerable than they would normally be. I'm sure everyone has been spawn camped in at least one point in their Dust career. Hell, I just got out of a battle where someone was camping a spawn with REs, but they were placing them high up on the wall so the explosion would catch the player but not the uplink. Regardless, though, a second or two of invulnerability would do wonders. You could even write it lore-wise as 'still travelling through the worm-hole' and 'seeing what's on the other side before you materialize'.
iKILLu osborne T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 824	Posted - 2015.07.04 21:11:00 - [19] - Quote xavier zor II wrote: iKILLu osborne wrote: xavier zor II wrote: iKILLu osborne wrote: xavier zor II wrote: you cannot deal or recieve damage for 3 seconds unless you move within the 3 second period. Does not include looking around. yeah?....thoughts? 3 seconds is to long it leaves the person awaiting there kill vulnerable to enemies and if the person has already spawned he has no choice but to camp the link lmao....he cant be killed for 3 seconds unless he moves within the 3 second peroid. You idiot I'm referring to the camper it is unfair for them to leave their flank open to nearby reds to kill the spawned who is invunerable for 3 seconds . Count to 3 aloud and you will see my point 2seconds is a fairer number it allows for the spawned to quickly survey his area of any threats while also being fair to the camper who is leaving his self open to other threats to deal with the new one(person spawning in) You are a noob and deserve to die if you are camping a link to get kills. I am sorry you suck so much at Dust and must kill spawns to achieve a kill git gud scrub If you happen upon a link/cru it isn't camping to derp and I'm trying to make a point about it being fair. Your just trying to fling your poo (n`-´)+Æ;;; shotgun blast yo ASs Retired 62mil sp, z platoon vet, og shotty
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 2	Posted - 2015.07.04 21:55:00 - [20] - Quote SHADOWBlood ASSASSIN wrote: So today, I was running my Assault ck.0 melee fit and I ran up to an uplink to punch it dead. Unfortunately, right when I punched it, the link stayed, but I got a +50. I killed someone who hadn't even appeared on my screen yet. I felt bad and sent him an apology, but that's some BS. People should at least get the chance to run when they see someone right there. He hadn't even come out of the link yet.. Please fix this. This guy purposely team kills in FW but sends apology letters to reds? Bizarre. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."

Mex-0 Corrosive Synergy 757	Posted - 2015.07.04 22:00:00 - [21] - Quote iKILLu osborne wrote: xavier zor II wrote: Pierced Daddy wrote: Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote: They need to give people a +2 second immunity. That means not able to deal or receive damage. It should go both ways you cannot deal or recieve damage for 3 seconds unless you move within the 3 second period. Does not include looking around. yeah?....thoughts? 3 seconds is to long it leaves the person awaiting there kill vulnerable to enemies and if the person has already spawned he has no choice but to camp the link "you cannot deal or recieve damage* for 3 seconds*" Does that clarify for you? If I insult you in some way, it's probably by accident. probably.
killertojo42 KnightKiller's inc. 176	Posted - 2015.07.04 22:20:00 - [22] - Quote The load time is an issue and invulnerability on links isn't the answer. Invulnerabiliy on emplaced spaces where the devs made a placement choice is fair but player placed links should have extra risk to the reward of choice spawn points Because both of us dying as I'm in my nomad BPO is to my benefit rank 10 winmataar
Apocalyptic Destroyerr Shining Flame Amarr Empire 561	Posted - 2015.07.12 23:43:00 - [23] - Quote Bump
Darken-Sol Intruder Excluder 2	Posted - 2015.07.12 23:47:00 - [24] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Oh dear god, yes they need to do this. Also, which Dev thought it was funny to make only one spawn on several of the Acquisition maps? A single tank can spawn camp an entire team. Ya but 3 works better Crush them
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.07.13 01:09:00 - [25] - Quote People who spawn in front of my face when I want to destroy an uplink are immune to all damage and can still shot at me. Loyal to The State Official Caldari Commando User
BARAGAMOS Kinsho Swords Caldari State 99	Posted - 2015.07.13 02:18:00 - [26] - Quote OR JUST... Stop letting people spawn within so many meters of a red..... Then no immunity is needed. Spawning into a killfest is going to get you killed even if you had 5 seconds of immunity. However, not being able to spawn into it would fix the issue and prevent most spawn camping. Just make it a radius of 10 meters and be done. While you are at it, prevent droplinks from being placed too near each other. Force us to space them out.
jordy mack WarRavens D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 613	Posted - 2015.07.13 03:00:00 - [27] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: People who spawn in front of my face when I want to destroy an uplink are immune to all damage and can still shot at me. i am jealous of the op, i punch an uplink and an invisible heavy materialises infront of me with guns blazing. Less QQ more PewPew
Mex-0 Corrosive Synergy 788	Posted - 2015.07.13 13:07:00 - [28] - Quote jordy mack wrote: Mejt0 wrote: People who spawn in front of my face when I want to destroy an uplink are immune to all damage and can still shot at me. i am jealous of the op, i punch an uplink and an invisible heavy materialises infront of me with guns blazing. I met the dickiest commando yesterday, spawn camped me by meleeing. Commando's melee is nearly OHK for all suits. If I insult you in some way, it's probably by accident. probably.
jordy mack WarRavens D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 614	Posted - 2015.07.13 13:11:00 - [29] - Quote edit- im tired Less QQ more PewPew
Remor de Mef Academy Inferno E-R-A 2	Posted - 2015.07.15 11:05:00 - [30] - Quote killertojo42 wrote: The load time is an issue and invulnerability on links isn't the answer. Invulnerabiliy on emplaced spaces where the devs made a placement choice is fair but player placed links should have extra risk to the reward of choice spawn points It's right, because it's bad that players need to use explosive weapons to 100% destroy droplink, and not see flashing shields of invisible meat wall.



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