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ALPHA CLASS elite Fire Star Elite 51	Posted - 2015.07.02 18:54:00 - [1] - Quote i have noticed a peculiar thingnwith the time it takes to hack something with codebreakers. on my assault i have 5 codebreakers but it does not show much of a difference in hack time (basic level) while on my logi (minmatar) i can hack faster than my assault with only 3 on (maybe it only adds the lv 2 hack skill to logi?) so how does this work? less is more? on to the damage mod portion. i have 2 enhanced damage mods on my proto amarr assault (lv 3 in AM assault) and i put an lp proto assault scrambler on it. i wanted to see how much damage i could do so i put the gun on my minmatar logi with 4 enhanced damage mods and surprisingly it only did half the damage of the assault. the amarr assault had no mentioned bonus in the skill tree regarding damage. is the math in the game really that funky. no equation i use ever gets my numbers to match with CCP's... The best of Fire star is found here But only a Fire Star member that presents a number identification code can join.
Foo Fighting Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 392	Posted - 2015.07.02 19:03:00 - [2] - Quote Different suits have slightly different native hacking speeds - although it's not a listed stat anywhere. No idea whats going on with you damage mods - anything more scientific than "half the damage"?
Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 763	Posted - 2015.07.02 19:10:00 - [3] - Quote Minmatar hack faster. Minscout has hack bonus. Idk about damage. CEO of 48th Special Operations Force Twitter-@48SOF
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy No Context 4	Posted - 2015.07.02 19:13:00 - [4] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: Minmatar hack faster. Minscout has hack bonus. Idk about damage. I heard somewhere that minlogis have better native hacking than minscouts Sniper Rifles are for Nitrogenous Dioxide Borons I am the Anti-FoTM
Scheneighnay McBob Penumbra or something 7	Posted - 2015.07.02 19:45:00 - [5] - Quote I believe the native hacking is heavy frames < assaults and light frames < logis Not caring about KD
Francois Sanchez Prima Gallicus 499	Posted - 2015.07.02 20:11:00 - [6] - Quote About the hack, there is a difference of native hack speed between assault and logi. The logi has nearly a free complex codebreaker when you have max skills. So it is as if your logi had 4 codebreakers with one of them not counting for the stacking penalties calculation. On the other hand, your 4th and 5th codebreakers are ineffective because of stacking penalties. Logi : 25, 25, 21.73, 14.26 Assault : 25, 21.73, 14.26, 7.07, 2.65 As you can see your two last codebreakers give you less than the native bonus of the logi For the damage mods I don't know, keep in mind that stacking penalties make the third damage mod quite ineffective and the 4th one basically useless
VAHZZ Corrosive Synergy No Context 3	Posted - 2015.07.02 20:13:00 - [7] - Quote Quit stacking so much.
ALPHA CLASS elite Fire Star Elite 51	Posted - 2015.07.02 21:24:00 - [8] - Quote VAHZZ wrote: Quit stacking so much. i only stacked to see how fast you could hack and how much damage you could do. on the damage note. in my min suit with 4 dmg mods and carthum(?) i can only take out a sentinel's shield and can't kill assault very well (overheats before they get killed). with the amarr it can take a sentinel all the way down to half armor and can kill an assault with maybe 10-20 shots. it is hard to figure out the numbers from memory. i guess a logi isn't meant to deal a ton of damage. another thing, i only have the min apex logi and am not skilled into min logi if that changes things The best of Fire star is found here But only a Fire Star member that presents a number identification code can join.
VAHZZ Corrosive Synergy No Context 3	Posted - 2015.07.02 21:26:00 - [9] - Quote ALPHA CLASS elite wrote: VAHZZ wrote: Quit stacking so much. i only stacked to see how fast you could hack and how much damage you could do. on the damage note. in my min suit with 4 dmg mods and carthum(?) i can only take out a sentinel's shield and can't kill assault very well (overheats before they get killed). with the amarr it can take a sentinel all the way down to half armor and can kill an assault with maybe 10-20 shots. it is hard to figure out the numbers from memory. i guess a logi isn't meant to deal a ton of damage. another thing, i only have the min apex logi and am not skilled into min logi if that changes things Did you not read the post above me? The stacking is what is hurting you. There is a thing called stacking penalty, the more you stack, the less output you get.
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.07.02 21:40:00 - [10] - Quote Look up for some old charts. Logis (all only MI) have 1.05 or 1.1 base hack speed. Loyal to The State Member of State Protectorate // Belongs to Patriots power bloc Civire Bloodline

Francois Sanchez Prima Gallicus 499	Posted - 2015.07.02 22:03:00 - [11] - Quote ALPHA CLASS elite wrote: VAHZZ wrote: Quit stacking so much. i only stacked to see how fast you could hack and how much damage you could do. on the damage note. in my min suit with 4 dmg mods and carthum(?) i can only take out a sentinel's shield and can't kill assault very well (overheats before they get killed). with the amarr it can take a sentinel all the way down to half armor and can kill an assault with maybe 10-20 shots. it is hard to figure out the numbers from memory. i guess a logi isn't meant to deal a ton of damage. another thing, i only have the min apex logi and am not skilled into min logi if that changes things Ah here is the problem with your damage evaluation. Basically what you noticed is that your Amarr assault can do more damage before overheating than your min suit with more damage mods. It doesn't mean you do more damage per shot with your Amarr, you're actually doing more with the Min suit, but the Amarr assault bonus reduces heat generation, meaning you can fire much more shots before overheating.
lee corwood TRAILS AND TRIBULATIONS No Context 1	Posted - 2015.08.05 04:01:00 - [12] - Quote I did a video comparison of hacking speeds on a scout, assault and logi. This was a test stacking the max amount of codebreakers the suit would allow and details the native bonuses the suit has. Knights of Ender Director Logi 4 Life \| Youtube Vids
Jadek Menaheim Positive-Feedback. 7	Posted - 2015.08.05 04:13:00 - [13] - Quote lee corwood wrote: I did a video comparison of hacking speeds on a scout, assault and logi. This was a test stacking the max amount of codebreakers the suit would allow and details the native bonuses the suit has. It used to be a bit faster on the Min Logi. https://youtu.be/zgwTFVJb7ZM?t=1m49s Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
lee corwood TRAILS AND TRIBULATIONS No Context 1	Posted - 2015.08.05 04:24:00 - [14] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: lee corwood wrote: I did a video comparison of hacking speeds on a scout, assault and logi. This was a test stacking the max amount of codebreakers the suit would allow and details the native bonuses the suit has. It used to be a bit faster on the Min Logi. https://youtu.be/zgwTFVJb7ZM?t=1m49s Before they took that sweet bonus away. Good times. Knights of Ender Director Logi 4 Life \| Youtube Vids
Koldy Lyte Marven Vader's-Fist 120	Posted - 2015.08.05 04:27:00 - [15] - Quote ALPHA CLASS elite wrote: i have noticed a peculiar thingnwith the time it takes to hack something with codebreakers. on my assault i have 5 codebreakers but it does not show much of a difference in hack time (basic level) while on my logi (minmatar) i can hack faster than my assault with only 3 on (maybe it only adds the lv 2 hack skill to logi?) so how does this work? less is more? on to the damage mod portion. i have 2 enhanced damage mods on my proto amarr assault (lv 3 in AM assault) and i put an lp proto assault scrambler on it. i wanted to see how much damage i could do so i put the gun on my minmatar logi with 4 enhanced damage mods and surprisingly it only did half the damage of the assault. the amarr assault had no mentioned bonus in the skill tree regarding damage. is the math in the game really that funky. no equation i use ever gets my numbers to match with CCP's... Min Logi has hack speed bonus (20% I guess) This is my signature.
Dreis ShadowWeaver Corrosive Synergy No Context 6	Posted - 2015.08.05 04:35:00 - [16] - Quote Complete Hacking stats for all suits. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel My Minja Blog Caldari blood, Matari heart <3
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.08.05 05:35:00 - [17] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Look up for some old charts. Logis (all only MI) have 1.05 or 1.1 base hack speed. Scouts have 1.05 hack speed, aside from the minscout which is 1.10 Logi's have 1.15 hack speed, aside from the minlogi which is 1.20. Assaults, commandos and sentinels all have 1.00 hack speed. Hacking skill and minscout skill are applied first and aren't affected by stacking penalty (because they're not modules) So 1.10 * 1.25 * 1.25 = ~1.72 on a minscout, if you were to add a complex codebreaker there it would go 1.72 * 1.25 = ~2.15 From there modules work as normal: here is a handy calculator for them http://wiki.dust514.info/index.php?title=Stacking_Penalties All percentile modules in the game are affected by stacking penalties (the only exception is the jump speed portion of myofibrils, which is bugged). So with your damage mods fitting five 7% ones would yield the following return: Individual bonuses: 7.00%, 6.08%, 3.99%, 1.98%, 0.74%, Total bonus: 21.27% (these are multiplicative, not additive). And don't trust the fitting window when it comes to damage mods, it is outright incorrect and has been since day 1. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Genral69 death Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 597	Posted - 2015.08.05 08:05:00 - [18] - Quote Question: Do you put damage mods on every suit? https://dust514.com/recruit/R6VwQe/ Sign up today to Help get you and me get free stuff


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