DUST Search - Requesting a clarification on vehicles

The Attorney General wrote:

Breakin Stuff wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

I think it should be a legitimate role. So many people who have supported this game for so long have committed themselves to making vehicles their specialty in the same way others have infantry roles, you yourself Breaking are a recognized Forge Gun Sentinel.

That being said I don't believe that making them a legitimate role means shoe horning them into a 'disposal' asset. All I really want to see for say....HAV is them in a place where they functionally make sense. If the concept is that HAV should be less durable again AV then by all means give HAV and Vehicles the fire power they logically deserve.

Oh I'm in favor of the heavy turrets having fangs, make no mistake. Very much in favor of upping the lethality if the defenses get shifted downward.

Why would defenses need to be shifted down? It is already easy enough for a single suit to nuke a tank, and all adding gunners does is add wp when you get killed.

Not being able to solo tanks with your forge from a rooftop unless they Muppet is a good thing for balance.

WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.


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Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.06.27 08:01:00 - [1] - Quote The vehicle debate has raged on forever, but if anyone has asked this question, it's been a very long time. Is the use of vehicles supposed to be a role in the game, one intended to be utilized as a primary means of interaction, or are vehicles intended to be an expensive, financially unsustainable power up intended to increase the value of a single player to a higher value? If the answer is that it's supposed to be a sustainable role, then I submit that the vehicles need to be brought back to heel in a way that is functionally soloable, but still lethal. I also submit that currently prices are more in line with the power up concept. If vehicles are intended to be power ups then everyone needs to step back and rethink how we look at vehicles. If they are a power up then they are not a role. If that be the case I have to ask why there is an SP tree that players have to drop a major investment into in order to make them functional. TL;DR: role = 1 player always equals one player. If power up, the gunnlogi series should be brought up to match the madrugar in efficacy and we need to stop bothering to argue that vehicle pilots are intended to be a role akin to assault or scout. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.06.27 16:01:00 - [2] - Quote The point. You all missed it. This is not a balance thread. Thank you, drive through. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.06.27 17:28:00 - [3] - Quote You're still missing the point Doc: Is the pilot tree a ROLE that is intended to be able to use consistently as the role of scout might be used? Or is it a skillset for a series of in-game power-ups that were never intended to be financially viable as a sustained role? It's a simple-ass question. It cannot be both. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.06.27 17:32:00 - [4] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: If you can't solo a tank with AV that is your own damn fault for being a scrub. 3 lai dais and an unbonused PLC round will annihilate all but a pure tank, crap turret gv.0. In a jumping scout suit that only blasters have any chance of killing. Right now it is one to one. People who can't do it need to stop being lazy on rooftops and put themselves at risk like the tanker is doing. Vehicle SP is the least efficient SP investment in the game. And once again, you're not participating in the conversation at hand. Read the topic, engage your brain and THEN post your response. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.06.27 19:40:00 - [5] - Quote I'm in favor of dumping the vehicle cap personally. If a team wants to play tank division? Fine by me. It's .y understanding that the vehicle cap is because of memory issues anyway. I could absolutely be wrong, but as the only other explanation came from spkr4thedead, I dismissed it out of hand because I fact check him when he says that the moon is still in it's proper orbit. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.06.28 01:42:00 - [6] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I think it should be a legitimate role. So many people who have supported this game for so long have committed themselves to making vehicles their specialty in the same way others have infantry roles, you yourself Breaking are a recognized Forge Gun Sentinel. That being said I don't believe that making them a legitimate role means shoe horning them into a 'disposal' asset. All I really want to see for say....HAV is them in a place where they functionally make sense. If the concept is that HAV should be less durable again AV then by all means give HAV and Vehicles the fire power they logically deserve. Oh I'm in favor of the heavy turrets having fangs, make no mistake. Very much in favor of upping the lethality if the defenses get shifted downward. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.06.28 02:09:00 - [7] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: True Adamance wrote: I think it should be a legitimate role. So many people who have supported this game for so long have committed themselves to making vehicles their specialty in the same way others have infantry roles, you yourself Breaking are a recognized Forge Gun Sentinel. That being said I don't believe that making them a legitimate role means shoe horning them into a 'disposal' asset. All I really want to see for say....HAV is them in a place where they functionally make sense. If the concept is that HAV should be less durable again AV then by all means give HAV and Vehicles the fire power they logically deserve. Oh I'm in favor of the heavy turrets having fangs, make no mistake. Very much in favor of upping the lethality if the defenses get shifted downward. Why would defenses need to be shifted down? It is already easy enough for a single suit to nuke a tank, and all adding gunners does is add wp when you get killed. Not being able to solo tanks with your forge from a rooftop unless they Muppet is a good thing for balance. Since you don't know me, don't know how I play, I invite you to merrily screw off. I cant rooftop snipe for longer than about four minutes because I literally fall asleep from boredom WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.06.28 03:20:00 - [8] - Quote This isn't a balance thread. If you wanna complain about balancing... Go make another thread. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.06.28 13:02:00 - [9] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: This isn't a balance thread. If you wanna complain about balancing... Go make another thread. You want them to be 1v1'd or to have no skill line..... I think that indicates a need for balancing..... No skill line.. That was a question of why, and how, not a request. Purge some bitter out of your system and don't try to Infer things I don't directly say. The question is: Is the vehicle tree a ROLE or a skill line for the use of what is intended to be a limited-use power-up? I'd prefer a role. FFS learn to read or stop trying to read my mind because you suck at it. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.06.28 17:54:00 - [10] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Is the vehicle tree a ROLE or a skill line for the use of what is intended to be a limited-use power-up? I'd prefer a role. FFS learn to read or stop trying to read my mind because you suck at it. This is what YOU don't get. Some of us answered that, although not in a special ed format like I am about to. Now sit down and take your helmet off so you can hear me. Stop looking out the window. Focus. Vehicles are already a role. The 1 to 1 parity is already real, so vehicles are already the most expensive role on the field. Why am I posting in a stealth nerf vehicles thread, this is pointless. You assert what you say, and yet the evidence points to a much different conclusion than you assert, feel free to bugger off, because I will not stop talking no matter how much you and all your buddies try to tell me to. So quit trying to talk to me like I'm an idiot, because I'm asking a question, and you're superimposing your balance ideas as the answer, which can ONLY be correctly answered... By a dev. This is a speculation post so take your high horse and please trot it off the nearest cliff. I do not need you to instruct me on matters of game balance, which are very clearly out of whack, despite your assertion to the contrary. And your ideas of balance may not jive with everyone else. So do take your OPINIONS and stick em where the sun don't shine unless you intend to present your ideas in a manner that doesn't reek of "Shut up you idiot" WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.