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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2015.06.26 04:51:00 -
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It also fixes the passive item generation issue that people are so ardent to shrug off and downplay. I won't name names from various correspondences, however, yes I am ******* with your sandcastles. Deal with it.
KalOfTheRathi wrote:You don't like others farming? Farming is the very essence of New Eden. It certainly is in EVE Online, although they call it mining, a trivial difference. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2811023#post2811023
If it wasn't clear, you are getting 'bonus' warpoints for staying in consecutive matches (only takes 2 matches, read that topic via the link). Even if you leave a match and start another one you'll still be able to earn warpoints normally by any of the battle tactics you employ currently. Warpoints are the best metric of activity in Dust. Boosting warpoints are already a punishable activity.
What I am simply doing here is turning warpoints into a 'currency' that fuels your modules thereby eliminating passive accrual of items such as warbarge components, ISK and weapons. Leaving these items as fully passive hurts the Dust economy because it reasonably prevents the devs from opening them up for trade as players will farm multiple accounts. This becomes an arguably unfair advantage if you are not willing to pony up and buy systems to run Dust.
Yes, while CCP allows for multiboxing of EVE, running multiple instances of Eve Online of multiple systems or a single system you are limited by your ability to manage those accounts in physically pushing buttons (input broadcasting and input multiplexing are prohibited in Eve) and being mindful of other threats (i.e. someone shooting at you in a mining belt, or physically moving items through space which has its risks at gates). This last point does not exist in Dust 514 in terms of 'multiboxing.' It means that in order to be relevant in Dust industry you only have to pay, there is little in-game skill.
Yes, I am a farmer of accounts in Dust. I will continue to farm until the greater issue of passive generation is addressed. I am just suggesting a possible solution to an activity that I do not believe if greatly beneficial to the long term health of the game. Let's discuss.
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maybe deadcatz
Horizons' Edge No Context
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Posted - 2015.06.26 05:01:00 -
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Jadek Menaheim wrote:It also fixes the passive item generation issue that people are so ardent to shrug off and downplay. I won't name names from various correspondences, however, yes I am ******* with your sandcastles. Deal with it. KalOfTheRathi wrote:You don't like others farming? Farming is the very essence of New Eden. It certainly is in EVE Online, although they call it mining, a trivial difference. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2811023#post2811023If it wasn't clear, you are getting 'bonus' warpoints for staying in consecutive matches (only takes 2 matches, read that topic via the link). Even if you leave a match and start another one you'll still be able to earn warpoints normally by any of the battle tactics you employ currently. Warpoints are the best metric of activity in Dust. Boosting warpoints are already a punishable activity. What I am simply doing here is turning warpoints into a 'currency' that fuels your modules thereby eliminating passive accrual of items such as warbarge components, ISK and weapons. Leaving these items as fully passive hurts the Dust economy because it reasonably prevents the devs from opening them up for trade as players will farm multiple accounts. This becomes an arguably unfair advantage if you are not willing to pony up and buy systems to run Dust. Yes, while CCP allows for multiboxing of EVE, running multiple instances of Eve Online of multiple systems or a single system you are limited by your ability to manage those accounts in physically pushing buttons (input broadcasting and input multiplexing are prohibited in Eve) and being mindful of other threats (i.e. someone shooting at you in a mining belt, or physically moving items through space which has its risks at gates). This last point does not exist in Dust 514 in terms of 'multiboxing.' It means that in order to be relevant in Dust industry you only have to pay, there is little in-game skill. Yes, I am a farmer of accounts in Dust. I will continue to farm until the greater issue of passive generation is addressed. I am just suggesting a possible solution to an activity that I do not believe if greatly beneficial to the long term health of the game. Let's discuss.
Have fun dying with your proto pads m8. And you cant compare mining to alt farming,lame excuse from a halfassed player who doesnt want to earn stuff
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2015.06.26 05:14:00 -
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Brah, did you even read what put down there? I agree they're different. Alt farming is a no risk venture once you have the equipment and macro scripts in place. Large scale multibox mining at least takes a little active awareness and management.
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Dragonmeballs
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2015.06.26 15:17:00 -
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I assume this has already been discussed but what about:
1. Standing goal (instead of hack 14 primary objectives--seriously, how many newbs even have a shot at this) of X number of completed battle for a reward of WBC. Make X a number greater than 3. Higher the number the greater the reward.
Or
2. An increasing ladder of WBC for completed battles (not a goal)
2 complete--20 WBC 4 complete--30 WBC 6 complete--40 WBC 14 complete--80 WBC
Number 2 is a straightforward linear progression but the equation be altered
Or
3. A reward for consecutive number of battles with WP greater than 150 WP
Any of these choices could be farmed.
The issue is players giving up. I don't know how to instill the will to fight in some of these players. Two years ago most of the vets replied with HTFU, not all of the community is getting that message.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2015.06.26 17:20:00 -
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I support Jadek.
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Jadek Menaheim
Positive-Feedback.
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Posted - 2015.07.28 00:48:00 -
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This is something we really need to look at again now that console sales in China are a thing...even at PC bangs.
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benandjerrys
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.07.28 02:44:00 -
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The Pandora's box has just been opened on our Devs in Shanghai. Smart play for CCP to have already have a foothold there and also implemented corrective actions in the past:
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/the-eve-security-taskforce-report-a-bot/
But yes... This is truly a whole new ball game that may actually benefit us... If done right.
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Ghosts Chance
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.28 02:46:00 -
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from my experiance in the RMT market the thing we really have to keep an eye on is a new and more powerful market openening up for dust.
previously the RMT in dust has been pretty small time, but becuase of its potential earning potential your going to see some large scale isk farming start to occur and a huge emphasis on selling isk start to emerge.
the major factors that have held that back have been twofold, people generally have attachment to their characters so fear a ban, and the money generated isnt nearly enough to be worth it outside of REALLY large scale setups.
the chinese RMT market bypasses all of this, as the PC bangs dont give a crap about characters and will cycle through them daily.
be prepaired for local to be ISK selling spam
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TechMechMeds
KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.07.28 04:13:00 -
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I support a ps4 version or port and nothing else.
The struggle is real lol.
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Jadek Menaheim
Positive-Feedback.
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Posted - 2015.07.28 13:27:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:the major factors that have held that back have been twofold, people generally have attachment to their characters so fear a ban, and the money generated isnt nearly enough to be worth it outside of REALLY large scale setups.
the chinese RMT market bypasses all of this, as the PC bangs dont give a crap about characters and will cycle through them daily. Banning a PS3 mac address does help, but PC bang gold farmers are likely to have experience working around this and being able to get a new machine, or just figuring out how to emulate an iso of Dust on a PS3 emulator.
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Sylwester Dziewiecki
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Posted - 2015.07.28 13:57:00 -
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Jadek Menaheim wrote:Update: The Chinese Ministry of culture has lifted a 15 year console ban. This presents many amazing business opportunities for Sony and CCP to synergize sales of consoles with a (Chinese produced) free-to-play title, Dust 514 on PS3 or a PS4 port to drive new console sales. The foreseeable problem is the passive collection mechanics of the Warbarge are ripe for exploit where PC macro botting with tools like GimX are involved. A limiting factor for many people to set up console system chains which run macros, is the purchase of hardware. That limiter is especially true for many 'individual' Chinese citizens where the cost of a new console is nearly a month's salary. However, most individuals would not opt to buy a personal gaming console anyways, but rather visit one of the many neighborhood PC bang chains where the proprietor may purchase several systems for customers to rent time on. When the customer is not using the machine, the console could be set up to auto run a macro to collect items. Old Topic:Passive account farming is a problem. The suggestion I offer is turning the warpoints you gain into a fuel that powers your warbarge production modules. You are also awarded bonus warpoints for not leaving missions (before you comment, please for the sake of my sanity, please read further. It's frustrating to endlessly repeat things). KalOfTheRathi wrote:You don't like others farming? Farming is the very essence of New Eden. It certainly is in EVE Online, although they call it mining, a trivial difference. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2811023#post2811023If it wasn't clear, you are getting 'bonus' warpoints for staying in consecutive matches (only takes 2 matches, read that topic via the link). Even if you leave a match and start another one you'll still be able to earn warpoints normally by any of the battle tactics you employ currently. Warpoints are the best metric of activity in Dust. Boosting warpoints are already a punishable activity.What I am simply doing here is turning warpoints into a 'currency' that fuels your warbarge modules thereby eliminating passive accrual of items such as warbarge components, ISK and weapons. Leaving these items as fully passive hurts the Dust economy because it reasonably prevents the devs from opening them up for trade as players will farm multiple accounts. This becomes an arguably unfair advantage if you are not willing to pony up and buy systems to run Dust. Yes, while CCP allows for multiboxing of EVE, running multiple instances of Eve Online of multiple systems or a single system you are limited by your ability to manage those accounts in physically pushing buttons (input broadcasting and input multiplexing are prohibited in Eve) and being mindful of other threats (i.e. someone shooting at you in a mining belt, or physically moving items through space which has its risks at gates). This last point does not exist in Dust 514 in terms of 'multiboxing.' It means that in order to be relevant in Dust industry you only have to pay, there is little in-game skill. Yes, I am a farmer of accounts in Dust. I will continue to farm until the greater issue of passive generation is addressed. I am just suggesting a possible solution to an activity that I do not believe if greatly beneficial to the long term health of the game. Let's discuss. All that stuff is very interesting.
Do you know that China have they own EVE online server? There are 'two' EVE online servers in the world - first one that allow entire world to play on it(except China) and second designed only for China citizens.
If Dust 514 would officially launch in China I think they would fight for they 'own' Molden Heath, and Chinese players would not have contacts with our player base, exactly as it looks with EVE.
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Jadek Menaheim
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Posted - 2015.07.28 14:21:00 -
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Sylwester, I am aware of the Eve Serenity cluster, however there is no connection between Eve China's Cluster and the US/JPN Dust 514 the Chinese console owners can access with a US/JPN PSN. A proxy VPN isn't always needed.
A localized Chinese Dust client would work better and provide a mor lag free experience, however the HK PSN store is woefully limited in it's selection so Chinese console owners (individuals/pc bang owners) will likely spoof a US/JPN psn and search for free to play games to populate their game library.
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Jadek Menaheim
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Posted - 2015.07.28 18:39:00 -
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In more likely scenario, Sony is more interested in Eve Valkyrie over a PS4 Dust port. It's more likely for Sony to want to push consoles with the Morpheus peripheral to various PC Bangs. Greater profit margins.
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Jadek Menaheim
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Posted - 2015.07.29 15:59:00 -
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I did not realize this. The Chinese firewall does not block PSN features.
From CCP Frame: https://twitter.com/CCP_Frame/status/626255973624225792
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