DUST Search - [Request] Remove player list from PC battles

Piercing Serenity wrote:

1) No issues from me here
2) Fundamentally disagree
3) Disagree

For suggestion 2, I personally believe that expense should always be part of the equation. Bleeding out your opponent's wallets - either in small scale skirmishes or as a War tactic - should be a viable victory condition. I think that the vast wallets of many players is a huge reason why stomping in proto suits is so prolific. Proto suits were still rare and very expensive (particularly heavies) before the asset wipe.

For suggestion 3, I think that we need alternative ways to make money, instead of giving more help to the losers. PvE, Player Trading, and Manufacturing come to mind. If players feel like they can fund some PvP action by doing some easier work on the side, then the disparity between winning and losing payouts seems more acceptable to me. If I've made 30 mil off of player trading, ISK will be "out of the equation" for as much of that 30m as I budget for PvP.

I think that alternative, lucrative methods of making money will reduce the strain of feeling like you need to make 500K in a pub match to break even after a loss.


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Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.23 21:00:00 - [1] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: We have actually discussed this, even for pubs. You can see the list after the match. With all due respect: Fixing Problems > Hiding Problems My two cents, at least. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.23 23:53:00 - [2] - Quote Piercing Serenity wrote: 1) No issues from me here 2) Fundamentally disagree 3) Disagree For suggestion 2, I personally believe that expense should always be part of the equation. Bleeding out your opponent's wallets - either in small scale skirmishes or as a War tactic - should be a viable victory condition. I think that the vast wallets of many players is a huge reason why stomping in proto suits is so prolific. Proto suits were still rare and very expensive (particularly heavies) before the asset wipe. For suggestion 3, I think that we need alternative ways to make money, instead of giving more help to the losers. PvE, Player Trading, and Manufacturing come to mind. If players feel like they can fund some PvP action by doing some easier work on the side, then the disparity between winning and losing payouts seems more acceptable to me. If I've made 30 mil off of player trading, ISK will be "out of the equation" for as much of that 30m as I budget for PvP. I think that alternative, lucrative methods of making money will reduce the strain of feeling like you need to make 500K in a pub match to break even after a loss. On Point 2, I'd completely agree if not for the massive wealth generated by PC 1.0, and with it what presents to be a permanent proto standard. I've run proto gear on a near consistent basis for the past year; at my average rate of daily loss, I could probably make it another 2-3 years before going broke. At ~250M Isk, I don't consider myself to be inordinately rich by PC standards. The state of the pub play as I see it is either (1) be PC rich and run whatever gear you want or (2) be poor and stay poor in advanced gear or make a little Isk in STD/BPO gear while getting your teeth kicked in by spoiled rich kids. This doesn't make for the greatest match quality, and it doesn't make for an optimal gameplay experience. No one likes getting their teeth kicked in, and no one likes spoiled rich kids :-) In my estimation, better contract pay (or making good gear affordable) would make the wealth gap less meaningful and ultimately lead to better fighs. I think we messed up when we permitted PC 1.0's creation of a super wealthy class, and I think we'd do well to devalue the permanent edge super wealth affords. On Point 3, I completely agree. If there were other ways to generate wealth, Point 2 would be less at issue. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.24 12:05:00 - [3] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: ] This whole thread, save for the OP and rattati's response pretty much disgusts me. God forbid someone disagree with whatever's on Breakin's mind. CPM Material? Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.24 12:06:00 - [4] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: You dont eliminate the problem by hiding who you are up against. Exactly this. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.24 12:46:00 - [5] - Quote Moochie Cricket wrote: Real strategy is adapting to the battlefield conditions, not a player list. Know your enemy? Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.24 12:54:00 - [6] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: This whole thread, save for the OP and rattati's response pretty much disgusts me. Universe forbid someone see things differently than Breakin. Else Breakin will be pretty much disgusted, and we'll all have to hear about it. CPM Material? I can contribute from a cpm seat or the floor. I don't feel like candy coating my opinions in the blind hope of becoming more popular. People who agree with me might vote for me, but I'm not going to backpedal because you invoked an election I might lose. I wouldn't expect you to backpedal, Breakin. But I would expect you to at least try to have an open mind when interacting with the community. Given the job description, and all. There's a good chance you might win. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.24 13:00:00 - [7] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: ... this leaving battle crap needs to end. and it needs to end hard. Completely agree. But dumbing down the game won't address the underlying issues. I'm of the opinion that there is more at play here than cowardice. We should at least give the playerbase the benefit of the doubt. Breakin Stuff wrote: ... because of circumstance changes. Hope all is well. o7 Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)