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DeadlyAztec11
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
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Posted - 2015.06.22 08:31:00 -
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First of all Active Scanners completely outclass any of the detection modules. When you can have a single equipment do the job of multiple amounts of two separate modules, there is a problem.
Dampeners are okay, sort of maybe, occasionally, sometimes... I think we can live with them because the alternative is a cloak, and those things barely dampen you, and only at the high levels.
One thing is for sure, the precision enhancers and range amplifiers need help like nothing else. They are barely worth it on only three of the scout suits and even then it's only after you sacrifice an arm, leg and some of your brain matter. They should at least be noticeable on the medium frames and competitive on the light frames.
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xavier zor II
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Posted - 2015.06.22 09:04:00 -
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lol passive eWar is dead and has been since 1.9 dropped. The weak-medium-strong passive scan ring doesn't work or starters.
Also, i have said it once, i will say it again...
Radar R4D-47 wrote: SCANS AREN'T THE COUNTER TO SCOUTS, SCOUTS ARE THE COUNTER TO SCANS!!!!
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Krias Thracian
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.22 11:01:00 -
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What is the counter to scouts? |
demonkiller 12
TERRA R1SING
New Eden's Heros
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Posted - 2015.06.22 11:40:00 -
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Krias Thracian wrote:What is the counter to scouts?
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Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.06.22 11:47:00 -
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Am I the only one that feels sad that being detected on radar or not is the only EWAR there is in this game?
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Regis Blackbird
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2015.06.22 11:48:00 -
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I think EWAR needs more options, apart from general slight range buff for passive scans.
Active Scanners:
I actually think they should be even stronger, but with a added downside. They should increase the user's scan profile for the duration of the scan. That way a logi can't just continuously scan the battlefield without turning him/herself to a gigantic christmas tree with a bullseye painted on the back for the entire enemy team to see. Active scanning should require some tactical awareness and strategy.
Cloaks:
I think it's silly the higher the tier, the longer duration AND dampening you get. There should be two (or more) forms of cloaks:
- Long duration with no bonus to dampening, long switch time to weapon / equipment. Perhaps with a reduced shimmer while moving. Used for traversing open fields undetected.
- Short duration with bonus to damping. Short switch time to weapon / equipment, but a reactivation delay before it's possible to cloak up again. Used for strategic quick ambush / assassination, but require timing and planning to not be caught.
Modules:
Profile dampeners, Range Amplifiers and Precision Enhancers should be made more powerful, but with a added downside. For example Range Amplifiers should give a consirable boost in range, but the same time increase you own scan profile. Profile dampeners should be the opposite, reducing your scan profile at the expense of your available scan range. This way you can't just build a mobile scanning platform without downsides. (ok ok, one existing downside is you can't fill all slots with EHP modules... But anyway)
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Regis Blackbird
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2015.06.22 11:53:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Am I the only one that feels sad that being detected on radar or not is the only EWAR there is in this game?
I agree, we need more options.
Wouldn't it be cool with a equipment which jammed the TacNet within a certain radius of the user? Like the bloody Geth Hunters from Mass Effect? When you enter an area and your radar just show static... And you think... ****, where is it?
Of course, there would need to be some indication of who is doing the jamming, so you could find and kill the bastard. |
Jack Boost
Zarena Family
872
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Posted - 2015.06.22 11:57:00 -
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What about EWAR vs rest of Dust?
There isn't alternative.
You got it - nothing counter you.
What about this?
https://trello.com/c/GvPelLjS
This can shift little in terms of ewar.
Not much time left...
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
10
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Posted - 2015.06.22 12:00:00 -
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Agreed with overall assessment. Active Scan are too strong. Passive Scans are too weak. Suggestion:
Active Scans
* Reduce Active Scanner scan duration by 25% (all scanners)
* Nerf Creodron Flux angle and range (200 --> 150 meters, 90 --> 60 degrees)
* Add a lengthy equip/unequip sequence to increase operational risk (like cloak)
* During 0.3 sec snapshot, disable player ability to pan left or right (fix KB/M spin scanning)
** Add WP for team-based recon assists
Passive Scans
* Set inner rings to a fixed 5m - 7m (not affected by range extenders)
* Restore Range Extender module bonus to 45% (affect only middle and outer rings)
Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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Sergeant Sazu
Mantodea MC
596
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Posted - 2015.06.22 16:05:00 -
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Krias Thracian wrote:What is the counter to scouts?
I'd like to remind everyone of the rock-paper-scissor thing going on.
Heavy > Assault
The heavy outclasses the Assault in 1 vs 1 combat
Assault > Scout
The Assault outclasses the Scout in combat, and is too mobile for being assassinated
Scout > Heavy
The Scout exploits the Heavy's lack of speed and awareness to dispatch it
I rarely run Scout, but my opinion is this: The horrors of 1.8 are over, and Scouts are not as scary as they were. I think they have the right the dodge all non-focused scans with 1 dampener. Being undetected is their sole means of survival and utility, and becoming invalidated by 1 piece of equipment being used by someone hiding behind bodyguards is not okay.
My suggestion: The Gallente logi's precision bonus should be removed or reduced to a point to where a proto scanner would be 25b or more. I say this as a biased Min Scout; I have limited low slots that I need for KinCats and Codebreakers. I always have 1 dampener, but that's thwarted by a Gallogi and my place on the battlefield is meaningless. I think if a Gallogi has a focused scanner, he should be allowed to scan all but dual-damped Scouts. The logi's precision bonus should be swapped out for something else, like scan distance or an extra fitting bonus. Not recharge time, that will make Assaults complain about permascan. It's pretty hard to fight when everyone knows the exact moment you exit cover.
Overall, the current situation is bad and gives too much power to 1 player while also not rewarding him in points. Intel Kill Assists should be bumped up to 25-35 WP and be team-wide. The role of the support scanner needs to be rewarding without destroying the strategy of the game like it is now.
*Dennis Miller voice*
Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.
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demens grimwulff
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.06.22 16:42:00 -
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Horrors of 1.8...?
Is it just me or has everyone completely forgotten how speed scouts could literally not be hit by any weapon pre-1.3 ... and the one major factor in 1.8 was the cloaks were broken. As a non-shotgun using 1.8 scout, there was some extreme strength in the ewar, but I still had to fisticuffs with the assault's an heavies.
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Lightning35 Delta514
48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE
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Posted - 2015.06.22 17:59:00 -
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Do precision even work? I have an adv on on my cqc assault and I can barely detect a nearby heavy.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2015.06.22 18:02:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:One thing is for sure, the precision enhancers and range amplifiers need help like nothing else. They are barely worth it on only three of the scout suits and even then it's only after you sacrifice an arm, leg and some of your brain matter. They should at least be noticeable on the medium frames and competitive on the light frames. Fitting precision enhancers and range amps on a dropsuit that already has decent scans like a logi or scout works well enough. On literally every other dropsuit you are better served by fitting eHP modules.
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el OPERATOR
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.06.22 18:19:00 -
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xavier zor II wrote:lol passive eWar is dead and has been since 1.9 dropped. The weak-medium-strong passive scan ring doesn't work or starters. Also, i have said it once, i will say it again... Radar R4D-47 wrote: SCANS AREN'T THE COUNTER TO SCOUTS, SCOUTS ARE THE COUNTER TO SCANS!!!!
LOL
Thats you?
I don't believe it.
If it is, yeah, you're a ****.
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CAPCRO Nomad.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
10
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Posted - 2015.06.22 18:37:00 -
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el OPERATOR wrote:xavier zor II wrote:lol passive eWar is dead and has been since 1.9 dropped. The weak-medium-strong passive scan ring doesn't work or starters. Also, i have said it once, i will say it again... Radar R4D-47 wrote: SCANS AREN'T THE COUNTER TO SCOUTS, SCOUTS ARE THE COUNTER TO SCANS!!!! LOL Thats you? I don't believe it. If it is, yeah, you're a ****.
I don't think Xavier is Radar, but he is right.
Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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el OPERATOR
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.06.22 18:54:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:xavier zor II wrote:lol passive eWar is dead and has been since 1.9 dropped. The weak-medium-strong passive scan ring doesn't work or starters. Also, i have said it once, i will say it again... Radar R4D-47 wrote: SCANS AREN'T THE COUNTER TO SCOUTS, SCOUTS ARE THE COUNTER TO SCANS!!!! LOL Thats you? I don't believe it. If it is, yeah, you're a ****. I don't think Xavier is Radar, but he is right.
I don't think he is either and he's only half right. The two counter each other . You and I have discussed it enough I'm sure you understand my perspective. As I'm sure I have a strong understanding of yours.
If theres a spinscan still able to be performed with kb/m that **** needs to have been squashed yesterday.
Equipment cycling times have already been screwed, actually right along with the cloak cycling adjustments. I can't count the number of times I switch from a hive to a gun and wind up carrying a hive in a firing position. Itd be funny if the hive fired rounds but, alas, nope.
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Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.06.22 19:56:00 -
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What you talking about? Ewar is working fine for me, im using 2 precision enhancers to get my "long range" 30m scan below 40DB which is enough to pick up assaults, logis and heavys in CQC oriented areas. And ofcourse the active scanner is more powerfull then your passive scans. Thats like comparing the power of a reptool to a single armor repair module on your suit. So dont be silly.
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JARREL THOMAS
Dead Man's Game
735
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Posted - 2015.06.22 19:58:00 -
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Krias Thracian wrote:What is the counter to scouts?
EYESIGHT seriously they only have 300hp if ewar
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el OPERATOR
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.06.22 20:17:00 -
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JARREL THOMAS wrote:Krias Thracian wrote:What is the counter to scouts? EYESIGHT seriously they only have 300hp if ewar
And cloak fits into that equation...where?
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DeadlyAztec11
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
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Posted - 2015.06.22 20:32:00 -
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el OPERATOR wrote:JARREL THOMAS wrote:Krias Thracian wrote:What is the counter to scouts? EYESIGHT seriously they only have 300hp if ewar And cloak fits into that equation...where?
If you can't see blue blobs running across your screen you may need to fix your vision.
Put your flags up in the sky.
And wave them side to side.
Show the world where you're from.
Show the world we are one.
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el OPERATOR
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.06.22 20:36:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:JARREL THOMAS wrote:Krias Thracian wrote:What is the counter to scouts? EYESIGHT seriously they only have 300hp if ewar And cloak fits into that equation...where? If you can't see blue blobs running across your screen you may need to fix your vision.
The good ones aren't running. Especially not across field of view.
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DeadlyAztec11
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
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Posted - 2015.06.22 20:53:00 -
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el OPERATOR wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:JARREL THOMAS wrote:Krias Thracian wrote:What is the counter to scouts? EYESIGHT seriously they only have 300hp if ewar And cloak fits into that equation...where? If you can't see blue blobs running across your screen you may need to fix your vision. The good ones aren't running. Especially not across field of view.
Check your corners. It's one of the first rules of shooters.
Put your flags up in the sky.
And wave them side to side.
Show the world where you're from.
Show the world we are one.
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Mex-0
Corrosive Synergy
719
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Posted - 2015.06.22 20:57:00 -
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Krias Thracian wrote:What is the counter to scouts?
More scouts.
If I insult you in some way, it's probably by accident.
probably.
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Indianna Pwns
TERRA R1SING
New Eden's Heros
160
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Posted - 2015.06.22 21:06:00 -
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Passive scans seem fine to me although range amps could do with being looked at.
Active scanning is a whole other matter, in its current form its too strong and makes passives redundant.I'd personally take them out of the game. We already have passive ewar, why do we need active? |
xavier zor II
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Posted - 2015.06.23 00:21:00 -
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el OPERATOR wrote:xavier zor II wrote:lol passive eWar is dead and has been since 1.9 dropped. The weak-medium-strong passive scan ring doesn't work or starters. Also, i have said it once, i will say it again... Radar R4D-47 wrote: SCANS AREN'T THE COUNTER TO SCOUTS, SCOUTS ARE THE COUNTER TO SCANS!!!! LOL Thats you? I don't believe it. If it is, yeah, you're a ****.
oh wow you are such a fucking idiot. READ with your EYES what my SIGNATURE says; 'xavier zor's alt'
I AM XAVIER ZOR, NOT RADAR R4D-47! If you need some more help, my name is xavier zor II which surely must ring some bells in your empty head buddy!
I have said exactly what many MANY scouts have complained about
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
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Posted - 2015.06.23 00:22:00 -
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Mex-0 wrote:Krias Thracian wrote:What is the counter to scouts? More scouts.
Actually it's bullets
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DeadlyAztec11
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
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Posted - 2015.06.23 00:34:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:Mex-0 wrote:Krias Thracian wrote:What is the counter to scouts? More scouts. Actually it's bullets
That's a valid suggestion, but I prefer a backfist with a Nova Knife in my hand.
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Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.06.23 01:14:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Agreed with overall assessment. Active Scans are too strong. Passive Scans are too weak. Suggestions:
Active Scans
* Reduce Active Scanner scan duration by 25% (all scanners)
* Nerf Creodron Flux angle and range (200 --> 150 meters, 90 --> 60 degrees)
* Add a lengthy equip/unequip sequence to increase operational risk (like cloak)
* During 0.3 sec snapshot, disable player ability to pan left or right (fix KB/M spin scanning)
** Add WP for team-based recon assists
Passive Scans
* Set inner rings to a fixed 5m - 7m (not affected by range extenders)
* Restore Range Extender module bonus to 45% (affect only middle and outer rings)
I still think scan persistence needs to go away.
Imagine an Active Scanner that only highlights enemies while it is active, and has a battery that lasts about as long as current scan durations, but requires the user to have it out and holding down the trigger. That way they have to be vulnerable in order to paint targets for their team for any length of time.
This next part might be harder, but to really make it interesting you could attempt to make this more dynamic by having the person doing the scanning show up on the radars of everyone who is currently being scanned. This means that you have to balance getting Intel Assists and helping your team against the inevitability of someone trying to flank around you since they know where you are.
Amidst the blue skies
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
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Posted - 2015.06.23 02:04:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Llast 326 wrote:Mex-0 wrote:Krias Thracian wrote:What is the counter to scouts? More scouts. Actually it's bullets That's a valid suggestion, but I prefer a backfist with a Nova Knife in my hand.
I would also suggest the use of Yes as a counter.
MOAR Ladders
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el OPERATOR
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.23 02:10:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:JARREL THOMAS wrote:
EYESIGHT seriously they only have 300hp if ewar
And cloak fits into that equation...where? If you can't see blue blobs running across your screen you may need to fix your vision. The good ones aren't running. Especially not across field of view. Check your corners. It's one of the first rules of shooters.
No doubt, I do. And am still of the opine that we're in a good spot. By all means buff my range/prec mods. Tho personally I think we'd get better mileage out of moving profiles closer together in general. But thats just me.
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