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Amuf Oratok
Krullefor Organization
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.06.21 12:53:00 -
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I've noticed minmatar light frame (no role) has a low speed when it comes to strafing and I wonder why. I've browsed protofits and these are the exact values:
Minmatar Light: 3.955 m/s
Minmatar Scout: 5.085 m/s
Minmatar Medium: 4.77 m/s
Minmatar Assault: 4.77 m/s
Minmatar Logistics: 4.5 m/s
Minmatar Heavy: 3.78 m/s
Minmatar Commando: 3825 m/s
Minmatar Sentinel: 3.645 m/s
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.06.21 15:02:00 -
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Great catch!
Minmatar Light
http://www.stuff514.com/sde/type/364813
Movement Attributes (mCharProp) / movementRun / strafeSpeedScale: 0.7
vs
Minmatar Scout
http://www.stuff514.com/sde/type/363957
Movement Attributes (mCharProp) / movementRun / strafeSpeedScale: 0.9
* Checked Amarr, Gallente, Caldari Light Frames; multiplier error appears to be limited to Minmatar Light Frames. Strafe speed multiplier for this unit should be set at the universal 90%; it is instead set at 70%.
Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.06.21 15:19:00 -
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 If you want to know what 0.7x strafe will feel like, try this suit!
Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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Amuf Oratok
Krullefor Organization
Minmatar Republic
89
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Posted - 2015.06.21 16:00:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote: If you want to know what 0.7x strafe will feel like, try this suit!
Clumsy is the word. |
Zan Azikuchi
G.R.A.V.E
The Ditanian Alliance
107
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Posted - 2015.06.21 18:53:00 -
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No, absolutely not, strafing shouldn't be a mean's to mitigate damage while directly in front of your target, unless you plan to use this to get behind cover quickly. If it's misused or abused in the way it is now, I say take that bonus away and give them something else.
When there is light, shadow's lurk and fear reign's... Yet by the blade of knight's, mankind, was given hope.
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Aeon Amadi
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.06.21 20:43:00 -
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Zan Azikuchi wrote:No, absolutely not, strafing shouldn't be a mean's to mitigate damage while directly in front of your target, unless you plan to use this to get behind cover quickly. If it's misused or abused in the way it is now, I say take that bonus away and give them something else.
Diiiiiid you read the thread, broseph?
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Because if you don't, the Caldari will be the next ones who are bias!
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Apocalyptic Destroyerr
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
360
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Posted - 2015.06.21 21:27:00 -
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How about no ? You guys already abuse the Myros. |
Llast 326
An Arkhos
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Posted - 2015.06.21 22:24:00 -
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Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote:How about no ? You guys already abuse the Myros.
Ima gonna just quote Aeon on this one
Aeon Amadi wrote:Zan Azikuchi wrote:No, absolutely not, strafing shouldn't be a mean's to mitigate damage while directly in front of your target, unless you plan to use this to get behind cover quickly. If it's misused or abused in the way it is now, I say take that bonus away and give them something else. Diiiiiid you read the thread, broseph?
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Aeon Amadi
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.06.21 23:23:00 -
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Lmfao, god, you guys are dumb sometimes.
It is a design inconsistency. The Minmatar LIGHT FRAME (yanno, the one that doesn't get bonuses) has 70% strafe speed of it's movement speed. The Minmatar SCOUT (yanno, the one that gets bonuses to knives?) has a 90% strafe speed of it's movement speed.
It isn't a proposal, it isn't an idea, it isn't some whack job theory - it is the current numbers in game that need to be made consistent and have parity before we nerf strafe speeds because it isn't working according to design -RIGHT NOW-.
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Kallas Hallytyr
Skullbreakers
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Posted - 2015.06.21 23:37:00 -
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Change it right now, yes, because it's an inconsistency.
At the same time, there's an update coming in the next month or so that will be changing every suit's strafe speed down to 70%, so there's very little point.
Will it make the four players who use Min Lights happier for three days? Sure.
Will it matter for longer than a few weeks? Nope.
If the strafe speed changes are coming later than August, I'd agree that it's important, but if the strafe change comes before the end of July, it really is a tiny issue.
Alt of Halla Murr. Sentinel.
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DeadlyAztec11
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
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Posted - 2015.06.22 02:30:00 -
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The role of the Minmatar Scout is to quickly hack objectives, set up explosive traps and to slice people before quickly jumping away before the body hits the ground.
Granted that they die easily, but they kill quickly as well and they are fairly hard to hit when they want to be.
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And wave them side to side.
Show the world where you're from.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.06.22 03:02:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:The role of the Minmatar Scout ...
Minmatar Light Frame =/= Minmatar Scout
(this post has nothing to do with roles)
Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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CCP Rattati
C C P
C C P Alliance
24
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Posted - 2015.06.22 09:26:00 -
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great catch, I have been studying these and didn't notice. Will verify and/or fix.
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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Zan Azikuchi
G.R.A.V.E
The Ditanian Alliance
107
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Posted - 2015.06.22 18:50:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:The role of the Minmatar Scout is to quickly hack objectives, set up explosive traps and to slice people before quickly jumping away before the body hits the ground.
Granted that they die easily, but they kill quickly as well and they are fairly hard to hit when they want to be.
So in other word's sprint speed, not strafe speed, strafe speed has nothing to do with getting to objective's quickly, of course this statement is to the suspicion that you support minmatar's getting increased strafe speed before/after the patch.
Anything that increase's speed speed (is theoretically impossible) will undo any change's and will only cause FOTM, which is what we want to avoid, and I'd rather not see a bunch of min jump scout's out strafing me and meleeing me 2 shot's or 1, as they currently do now.
When there is light, shadow's lurk and fear reign's... Yet by the blade of knight's, mankind, was given hope.
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CCP Rattati
C C P
C C P Alliance
24
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Posted - 2015.06.24 00:57:00 -
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The way the hierarchy works is that the 0.7 is overridden at the next level below with a 0.9, like all the suits, so this is not a verified inconsistency.
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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Amuf Oratok
Krullefor Organization
Minmatar Republic
98
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Posted - 2015.06.24 14:48:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:The way the hierarchy works is that the 0.7 is overridden at the next level below with a 0.9, like all the suits, so this is not a verified inconsistency.
Still it's actually slower than min-scout, I just used both 30 minutes ago. |
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