I'm well above the 50 mil SP club, have played since open beta, and have recently respecced into a more specialized set of skills for optimal killing proficiency.

However, I still regularly die 10+ times and also regularly fail to make the top 10 of the leaderboards even whilst in a Logi. How can I do so poorly, you may wonder?

Simple, I suck balls at this game. No amount of anything will help me improve because I know I suck and I can't get good. The sad thing about this is that there are many players like me in this game. Hooray!

A brother in (bad) arms.... I am like you. I love this game, but man do I seem to suck. I get a couple decent matches here and there where I am top 5 (been top a couple times). There are just as many where I am bottom 5 and have aquired 10-12-15 deaths.

Logis are the most expensive infantry in the game, isk and sp. It would be a bad move to make logis the primary noob suit. I takes around 20m sp to run a fully spec'd logi.

Edit: also, I've noticed that most people hate running a support-style role. Its not for everyone. Most people would rather leave than give up the run-n-gun.

I'm playing Super Smash Bros for the WiiU along with Splatoon.

Maybe I made myself unclear. I did not say make it the "Primary suit of Noobs." I suggested moving it up one level on the skill chart, to make it equal to medium, light and heavy. Make it cheaper to try out.

I do not suggest that "noobs" put every bit of proto gear they possibly can onto the suit and make it as expensive as possible.

I'm saying that some folks would benefit from knowing this category of suit exists, before they have to spend a month building up SP and wasting some of that on other things.

-maybe make militia versions of each logi with just 2 equipment slots. Let folks try them out on the super cheap.

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Some people are best as Scouts or Heavies or Assaults or Logis. So be it, some people suck at logi, some are terrible at heavy. I'm not saying you can't run them. Or that one is better than the others.


This game needs not just new players, but new players that stick around longer than a few massacres. Others slog threw massacre after massacre apparently.

Give them the ability to try out the different kinds of suits- sooner.

Maybe make some logi loadouts or light loadouts. I mean seriously how many newbies know they can get WP for using a rep tool on another player??

- Maybe on the equipment description page list the WP's that can be earned by skilling into the item.

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BPO's do contribute to the overall higher risk taking in the game and frankly a shift to mediums and assaults. People used to try and kill folks and not die. Now people try to kill folks and don't care so much about not dying. I've seen players run into a crowd of reds, drop a remote and blow themselves up along with several reds. I've seen some folks do the same kind of thing with plasma canons and grenades.

Some are mistakes and miscalculations, others, I'm not so sure.

People at the lower end of the ISK chain can't afford to do things like this and frankly don't think to do something like this until days or weeks or months into games like this.

Each night when I log in the number of players seems to be shrinking. Some of it is the time of year, some are just gone.

Thanks for reading this.

I'm well above the 50 mil SP club, have played since open beta, and have recently respecced into a more specialized set of skills for optimal killing proficiency.

However, I still regularly die 10+ times and also regularly fail to make the top 10 of the leaderboards even whilst in a Logi. How can I do so poorly, you may wonder?

Simple, I suck balls at this game. No amount of anything will help me improve because I know I suck and I can't get good. The sad thing about this is that there are many players like me in this game. Hooray!

10 deaths is bad??? Damm, that means im horrible at this game cause that happens on a regular basis. Of course you have to take into acount that i use default loadouts, about 90% of the time, cause im a cheap bastard. If i get serious, i take out the good ol Amarr Sentinel tho, i could go proto but i stick to standard suit(bpo sever) with ADV weapons and mlt mods, because once again, i'm a cheap bastard. I believe i have a 1.89 kd at the moment though, which isn't too bad, right???

There are 16 people on the team and 150 clones. That means that split evenly everyone has 9.37 clones but since we can not divide up a clone you have to just round that down to 9. So once you reach 10 deaths you have used up more than your share of clones and unless you happen to have quite a few kills to go along with those deaths CAN be damaging to the team.

Obviously there are quite a few scenarios where clone loss is offset by your contribution but specifically when running solo this should be kept in mind.

Logis save clones through reviving people, keeping people repaired and full of ammo. This also keeps people in the fight and costs the other team more clones. Any logi that loses more than 9 clones has likely saved his team many more clones than he took away from the pool.

Slayers often have to put them self in tough spots that they will end up making use of extra clones at times but if they really belong in this role then they are costing the other team even more.

Some people actually want to hold objectives to try to win even when no blueberries are helping and they are doing something useful no matter how many extra clones they burn. This is a position that happens far too often but I will reserve my rant about incentive to win in this game.




If you are using more than 9 clones and not able to accurately say that those extra clones you lost were for the good of the team then it is probably time to reevaluate your play style. While outside factors do affect the actual number for each player it still comes down to balancing around that 9 clone number.

who dies more than ten times. i would not allow myself to die trhat many times. first death im fine second death kind off fine. 3rd death retreat to safe but slayer mode e.g sniping. with this tactic i rarely never die more than 4 times; dying more than 10 times is outrageous(especially when you have 50 mil sp and has a very negative impact on isk

making it to top is easy use uplinks and slay simples