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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
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Posted - 2015.06.16 00:40:00 -
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Proto means "Prototype". A word that implies an object that is being produced around a theory, and hence has flaws, such as it could kill the user if it overheats yadda yadda.
In essence they are unstable. It also makes sense that they should give less SP overall, because they are not training weapons or suits.
WP should remain untouched.
Proto weapons and suits are clearly not going to be used by those who are learning about combat, hence the basic premise of SP is combat education.
Modules should be unaffected because they are assistant items instead of direct items with regards to connection to the user.
In other words, it's a trade-off between power now, and power later.
http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
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Posted - 2015.06.16 00:51:00 -
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SHERIFF joe arapio wrote:
Aren't you a beeta Vet? Start acting one and HTFU. All this crying and whining about proto. Leave it alone. What is the purpose of capping out (before 750K) every week? It felt like an accomplisment. Making your merc stronger, more valuable on the field.
NO
Proto should be an endgame concept. Once you have all the skills you want, then should proto be even considered.
I would bet that a lot of single-sided matches would suddenly disappear from the Public area, and migrate to the FW or PC areas, where SP means next to nothing.
It would be a natural seggregation barrier.
Or do you WANT the Meta Level Caps that ARE going to be implemented?
Nocturnal Soul wrote:So is this just a "the real definition of this word mean this so CCP must revert time and resources to said thing" thread? Because if it is it's debatable unlike changing the name of the Ar to BR or PR or even the rail rifle to guass rifle to make it sound cooler.
So I take it you don't want to use Proto anymore in Pub matches? Okay.
Besides, it's not that much work. Just attach a variable to each weapon used for a kill and tally them. If kill type = 1, full points. if kill type = 2 reduced points. Same thing with the time spent on the field. Time in Proto tally, time out of proto tally.
It's variables for a table, not field effects nor assets. In the Unreal engine, such a thing is easy cheese.
http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
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Posted - 2015.06.16 01:20:00 -
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Reign Omega wrote:
Prototype can also mean the first of its kind, the mold from which all inferior parts are cast, the standard of excellence. Side note...no.
So you want the Hard cap against Proto gear instead of this Soft cap?
Interesting choice.
http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
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Posted - 2015.06.16 03:11:00 -
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Shadowed Cola wrote:Dear OP:
GIT GUD
Sincerely;
Everyone else.
This is a solution to allow you to keep your Proto gear.
Or did you not know that the Meta Levels the Devs are bringing will lock out fits above a certain rank from Pubs?
Go look at your suits again. There is a "Meta Level Rank" next to each suit now. It wasn't there before.
This is merely a halfway alternative to cutting Proto from the battle altogether.
--Or was your point to remove Proto permanently?
--The post is very unclear.
http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
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Posted - 2015.06.16 04:51:00 -
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Shadowed Cola wrote:
The weak die, the strong survive. New Eden continues.
Then....You're going to be dying a lot in the future when you can't use Proto anymore for pubs. :/
Remember the cap I was talking about? No?
Well it's coming whether you think it exists or not.
All I'm asking is if you want the hard cap, where Proto gear will most likely make a suit unable to enter combat due to Level requirements, or a soft cap (my idea), where all suits can still be used, but you don't get any experience benefits.
Reminder:
Devs idea--- Hard cap suit Meta levels, to prevent certain suit combos from being able to deploy.
My idea-- Soft cap high-end gear to make it useable, but far less profitable. If you gotta use it, you gotta use it.
In short: I'm offering you the chance to keep your Proto gear in pubs. PC and FW will be unaffected.
http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
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Posted - 2015.06.16 16:38:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:
Dear OP.
I want to be unable to use my Proto gear in public matches, when the Devs shut it down for newcomer balance reasons.
Ok.
VikingKong iBUN wrote: I don't want Proto gear in public matches! I LIKE POTATOES! 111011101-1
Noted.
http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
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Posted - 2015.06.17 04:41:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:I can't handle it when people disagree with me. Hmmm. Nope, it's not clever even when I do it. Try something original for a change. Come on man, this trick was old when beta ended.
Your analogy is fairly flawed.
The only possible responses to this are Yes or No.
Claiming "no comment" is the same as saying "Yes" to the Meta Level lockouts that are coming up.
--Hence your reply was literally a "No" to my suggestion and a "Yes" to the lockouts.
There is no head-in-the-sand third option that you seem to think exists.
I'm not really concerned with this, as much as I wanted to present an alternative. I don't use Proto, but I know YOU do. I've played against you before in pubs. If you want to lose your Proto suits, that's just fine and dandy.
Oh yes, here's a question for you: Why would I want to keep the game harder for myself?
http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
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Posted - 2015.06.18 05:53:00 -
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Summa Militum wrote:I think you would have been better off suggesting an increase to WPs earned by people using lower tiered gear to take out redberries using higher tiered gear.
A rough example for suits:
STD takes out STD = 50WP
STD takes out ADV = 75WP
STD takes out Proto = 100WP
ADV takes out STD = 50WP
ADV takes out ADV = 50WP
ADV takes out Proto = 75WP
Proto takes out STD = 50WP
Proto takes out ADV = 50WP
Proto takes out Proto = 50WP
It essentially accomplishes what you ask for without coming off as trying to punish people for using protogear.
Of course the amount of WPs earned would most likely have to depend on the difference in metalevel between the two berries fighting it out. Basing it just on what tier suit you are running wouldn't be the best route.
I tried suggesting that about 2 years back, but it never flew.
Powerh8er wrote: OP is basically asking us to repaint a sinking ship. In a colour nobody likes.
Or a better analogy... a sinking ship with a slightly smaller leak...
http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU
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