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CeeJ Mantis wrote:

Adipem Nothi wrote:

CeeJ Mantis wrote:

Adipem Nothi wrote:

LUGMOS wrote:

Needs a downside, increased stamina use from jumping. Want to ha be more stamina? Equip cardiacs = -HP

^ Agreed. Could also set jump cost = 33% stamina pool; would get no more than 3 back-to-back jumps.

There us a mechanic in the game that exponentially increases the amount of stamina jumping takes when done in quick succession. The problem is that myo junkies are in the air long enough to counter this brief interval. Rather than make it a flat percentage (like it was at one time and it wasn't very fun for people who use stamina mods), just adjust it so that you must be on the ground for a certain period of time to reset the timer, rather than a timer based on button presses.

Myos still need to be balance adjusted. They are more effective than they are supposed to be.

All good points. Any ideas on how to resolve back-to-back moonjumping without a client-side update?

The only one I have without a proper client-side update is reduce the jump effectiveness of a single module. That's the main problem right there anyway. It's supposed to be a around a 100% total increase to jump height, but it is notably higher than that. If you only jumped 5m with 3x Myos, then few would complain, but that is decidedly not the case. 1 is fine, 2 is borderline, and 3 is too much.

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4lbert Wesker Mithril Forge E-R-A 228	Posted - 2015.06.13 21:28:00 - [1] - Quote Due to re.tarded "tactic" involved with myos and MD(insane jumping) this game became a disgrace.You can bash BF4/COD/CS but there are no noob scrubs who are jumping with a splash damage weapon.This ** don't need nerf,it needs to be removed from a game entirely,like it never existed before and there are many players who agreeds with me. CCP will not give a damn about me neither i give a damn about them(same as playerbase).I will stay here until I sell all my officer weapons and suits and then i will ** off out of here until this jumping fa.ggotry has been removed from a game.Thank you for your time and take care. Public skirmish = camping games, Public domination = officer sniping games, Public ambush = russian roulette
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy No Context 4	Posted - 2015.06.13 21:30:00 - [2] - Quote Needs a downside, increased stamina use from jumping. Want to ha be more stamina? Equip cardiacs = -HP Sniper Rifles are for Nitrogenous Dioxide Borons I am the Anti-FoTM
SHERIFF joe arapio US Border Patrol 214	Posted - 2015.06.13 21:34:00 - [3] - Quote 4lbert Wesker wrote: Due to re.tarded "tactic" involved with myos and MD(insane jumping) this game became a disgrace.You can bash BF4/COD/CS but there are no noob scrubs who are jumping with a splash damage weapon.This ** don't need nerf,it needs to be removed from a game entirely,like it never existed before and there are many players who agreeds with me. CCP will not give a damn about me neither i give a damn about them(same as playerbase).I will stay here until I sell all my officer weapons and suits and then i will ** off out of here until this jumping fa.ggotry has been removed from a game.Thank you for your time and take care. When you sell all of your stuff,,,Can I haz your isk? Please. I promise to do no jumpy otry. stuff with it. "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
4lbert Wesker Mithril Forge E-R-A 228	Posted - 2015.06.13 21:35:00 - [4] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: Needs a downside, increased stamina use from jumping. Want to ha be more stamina? Equip cardiacs = -HP It doesnt need anything but removal.I want Dust to be like before that jumping re.tardation.We don't need jumping at all. SHERIFF joe arapio wrote: 4lbert Wesker wrote: Due to re.tarded "tactic" involved with myos and MD(insane jumping) this game became a disgrace.You can bash BF4/COD/CS but there are no noob scrubs who are jumping with a splash damage weapon.This ** don't need nerf,it needs to be removed from a game entirely,like it never existed before and there are many players who agreeds with me. CCP will not give a damn about me neither i give a damn about them(same as playerbase).I will stay here until I sell all my officer weapons and suits and then i will ** off out of here until this jumping fa.ggotry has been removed from a game.Thank you for your time and take care. When you sell all of your stuff,,,Can I haz your isk? Please. I promise to do no jumpy otry. stuff with it. ISK will be traded for EVE isk. Public skirmish = camping games, Public domination = officer sniping games, Public ambush = russian roulette
Yokal Bob Dead Man's Game 973	Posted - 2015.06.13 21:36:00 - [5] - Quote At the rate this game is going I dont think ill be far behind. No words from devs on anything useful as per either. Vote Dust for PS4
First Prophet Nos Nothi 3	Posted - 2015.06.13 21:42:00 - [6] - Quote Can I have some ISK? "The Wrath of Rust is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.13 22:17:00 - [7] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: Needs a downside, increased stamina use from jumping. Want to ha be more stamina? Equip cardiacs = -HP ^ Agreed. Could also set jump cost = 33% stamina pool; would get no more than 3 back-to-back jumps. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.06.13 22:21:00 - [8] - Quote Ah, who'd have thought that some people getting to play tribes ascend while others are stuck on the ground would be 'bad'. Yet these people are entirely willing to scream about how much fun it is and how they should be allowed to continually exploit their massive advantage over others because it's 'fun'. They'll forever downplay how much of an advantage their movement gives them because they can no longer rely on king HP. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Indianna Pwns TERRA R1SING New Eden's Heros 134	Posted - 2015.06.13 22:35:00 - [9] - Quote I'd like to see the jumping removed myself, however I don't see it happening. What they do need are proper stacking penalties!!! They should make a merc slightly more agile nothing more. Make it so stacking them for jumping is not worthwhile.
DAAAA BEAST Corrosive Synergy No Context 2	Posted - 2015.06.13 22:45:00 - [10] - Quote Sorry for the game not turning out the way it wanted it to be. Mybrofils brought a lot of fun and your un ability to counter them is interesting. I summon in the jordy mack " more Pew Pew , less QQ " What haven't I done yet ? CEO of Corrosive Synergy

CeeJ Mantis Mantodea MC 197	Posted - 2015.06.13 22:49:00 - [11] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: LUGMOS wrote: Needs a downside, increased stamina use from jumping. Want to ha be more stamina? Equip cardiacs = -HP ^ Agreed. Could also set jump cost = 33% stamina pool; would get no more than 3 back-to-back jumps. There us a mechanic in the game that exponentially increases the amount of stamina jumping takes when done in quick succession. The problem is that myo junkies are in the air long enough to counter this brief interval. Rather than make it a flat percentage (like it was at one time and it wasn't very fun for people who use stamina mods), just adjust it so that you must be on the ground for a certain period of time to reset the timer, rather than a timer based on button presses. Myos still need to be balance adjusted. They are more effective than they are supposed to be. Longest plasma cannon kill: 236.45m
Petra 222 SoM Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 91	Posted - 2015.06.13 22:49:00 - [12] - Quote Might as well jump on the qq train. I hate them too. I tried to like it, i tried to accept it. It was funny for a week and now its just annoying.
Francois Sanchez Prima Gallicus 493	Posted - 2015.06.13 22:52:00 - [13] - Quote Personally I don't find jumpers hard to kill. I prefer a jumpy Min Ass than a tanky strafing one. But looking at how Wesker loves roof camping and that kind of ****** tactics I can understand jumpers irritate him
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1	Posted - 2015.06.13 22:56:00 - [14] - Quote The jumpers are typical CCP BS, way OP to start and left to ruin matches for months before a lame attempt at balance. Still too aggressive a tactic with no proper counter, nor is the stamina use balanced. Typical. Killing them with a blaster turret is fine but anything else is pretty sketchy. I didn't lose many friends as a reaction to the jumpers. Of course, the reason I didn't lose many friends is because most of them had already left. Bada-boom! My favorite tank is a Lightning. Just sayin.
Squagga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 768	Posted - 2015.06.13 22:57:00 - [15] - Quote I gotta admit, I never once logged in figuring I would be fighting spider man with a fuckin grenade launcher Shields, the silent killer.
4lbert Wesker Mithril Forge E-R-A 228	Posted - 2015.06.13 23:06:00 - [16] - Quote Francois Sanchez wrote: Personally I don't find jumpers hard to kill. I prefer a jumpy Min Ass than a tanky strafing one. But looking at how Wesker loves roof camping and that kind of ****** tactics I can understand jumpers irritate him Roof camping?What?When?Where? Public skirmish = camping games, Public domination = officer sniping games, Public ambush = russian roulette
Francois Sanchez Prima Gallicus 494	Posted - 2015.06.13 23:13:00 - [17] - Quote Basically every time I've seen you and your corp mates in a pub this week.
Francois Sanchez Prima Gallicus 494	Posted - 2015.06.13 23:14:00 - [18] - Quote Actually it's true it's more your corpmates than you I should apologize
4lbert Wesker Mithril Forge E-R-A 229	Posted - 2015.06.13 23:29:00 - [19] - Quote Francois Sanchez wrote: Actually it's true it's more your corpmates than you I should apologize The only roof camper I know is one ex corpmate that likes to fly a dropship,land it on the roof and fire from a missile launcher.I dont like to camp very much,only when i shoot on a tanks. Public skirmish = camping games, Public domination = officer sniping games, Public ambush = russian roulette
Francois Sanchez Prima Gallicus 494	Posted - 2015.06.13 23:38:00 - [20] - Quote 4lbert Wesker wrote: Francois Sanchez wrote: Actually it's true it's more your corpmates than you I should apologize The only roof camper I know is one ex corpmate that likes to fly a dropship,land it on the roof and fire from a missile launcher.I dont like to camp very much,only when i shoot on a tanks. Maybe they're not doing that with you but this week it was awful to face them. With MM when you meet a squad you're often stuck with it for several games. We met one of your corp squad I think Tuesday, Wednesday and Friday, we played like 10 matches against them. They roof camped in every single one even if it wasn't advantageous objective wise. It was so boring. Some of them were even there with only a Swarm launcher, so the only objective was to stay there and repel the DS that would try to take them of the roof.

Francois Sanchez Prima Gallicus 494	Posted - 2015.06.13 23:41:00 - [21] - Quote Anyway this is off topic so I'll stop here. I apologize again for targetting you whereas it was wrong (however I maintain what I've said about your corpmates)
Zan Azikuchi G.R.A.V.E The Ditanian Alliance 83	Posted - 2015.06.14 00:09:00 - [22] - Quote 4lbert Wesker wrote: Due to re.tarded "tactic" involved with myos and MD(insane jumping) this game became a disgrace.You can bash BF4/COD/CS but there are no noob scrubs who are jumping with a splash damage weapon.This ** don't need nerf,it needs to be removed from a game entirely,like it never existed before and there are many players who agreeds with me. CCP will not give a damn about me neither i give a damn about them(same as playerbase).I will stay here until I sell all my officer weapons and suits and then i will ** off out of here until this jumping fa.ggotry has been removed from a game.Thank you for your time and take care. But... But! What about Global Saturation?! What about Nemesis, and your pet Hunter's and Licker's?! Who will take care of Jill?!... Mmmmm, Jill Sandwich drools... When there is light, shadow's lurk and fear reign's... Yet by the blade of knight's, mankind, was given hope.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.14 00:12:00 - [23] - Quote CeeJ Mantis wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: LUGMOS wrote: Needs a downside, increased stamina use from jumping. Want to ha be more stamina? Equip cardiacs = -HP ^ Agreed. Could also set jump cost = 33% stamina pool; would get no more than 3 back-to-back jumps. There us a mechanic in the game that exponentially increases the amount of stamina jumping takes when done in quick succession. The problem is that myo junkies are in the air long enough to counter this brief interval. Rather than make it a flat percentage (like it was at one time and it wasn't very fun for people who use stamina mods), just adjust it so that you must be on the ground for a certain period of time to reset the timer, rather than a timer based on button presses. Myos still need to be balance adjusted. They are more effective than they are supposed to be. All good points. Any ideas on how to resolve back-to-back moonjumping without a client-side update? Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Kalante Schiffer Ancient Exiles. 1	Posted - 2015.06.14 01:34:00 - [24] - Quote 4lbert Wesker wrote: Due to re.tarded "tactic" involved with myos and MD(insane jumping) this game became a disgrace.You can bash BF4/COD/CS but there are no noob scrubs who are jumping with a splash damage weapon.This ** don't need nerf,it needs to be removed from a game entirely,like it never existed before and there are many players who agreeds with me. CCP will not give a damn about me neither i give a damn about them(same as playerbase).I will stay here until I sell all my officer weapons and suits and then i will ** off out of here until this jumping fa.ggotry has been removed from a game.Thank you for your time and take care. i agree.
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy No Context 4	Posted - 2015.06.14 02:30:00 - [25] - Quote First intention for myos: to help heavies jump curbs Next intention: to clear roofs (like the mushroom) of uplinks and campers without a drop ship Now: Scrub around with explosive weaponry while abusing bad HD and low frame rates, making it exponentially harder to hit you I used to like myos, but looking at some old footage I had of mine, I noticed I could jump around for 10 plus seconds with a mass driver and survive heavies shooting at me for the perood because of terribad HD. It was then I realized how scrubby it was. I still like using it for uplink placement and clearing tho. Sniper Rifles are for Nitrogenous Dioxide Borons I am the Anti-FoTM
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2015.06.14 02:51:00 - [26] - Quote I really wasn't a fan of the change to myos, but that's primarily because when you take a game like Dust, which struggles pitifully but fails to get basic FPS mechanics right, it just looks cheezy. Myos/jumping definitely have a place it the game, we just need to refine them - CeeJ's observations re stamina regen, stacking penalties, allowing myos to reduce fall damage, ensuring that the liftoff velocity doesn't break hit detection, control over jump height, etc. Myos do add a lot to character mobility/routes of ingress to bases which is a plus for gameplay. Ultimately i feel that the games is just not ready for an extreme jump mechanic because the engine is not healthy enough to handle it. PSN: RationalSpark
CeeJ Mantis Mantodea MC 198	Posted - 2015.06.14 06:28:00 - [27] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: CeeJ Mantis wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: LUGMOS wrote: Needs a downside, increased stamina use from jumping. Want to ha be more stamina? Equip cardiacs = -HP ^ Agreed. Could also set jump cost = 33% stamina pool; would get no more than 3 back-to-back jumps. There us a mechanic in the game that exponentially increases the amount of stamina jumping takes when done in quick succession. The problem is that myo junkies are in the air long enough to counter this brief interval. Rather than make it a flat percentage (like it was at one time and it wasn't very fun for people who use stamina mods), just adjust it so that you must be on the ground for a certain period of time to reset the timer, rather than a timer based on button presses. Myos still need to be balance adjusted. They are more effective than they are supposed to be. All good points. Any ideas on how to resolve back-to-back moonjumping without a client-side update? The only one I have without a proper client-side update is reduce the jump effectiveness of a single module. That's the main problem right there anyway. It's supposed to be a around a 100% total increase to jump height, but it is notably higher than that. If you only jumped 5m with 3x Myos, then few would complain, but that is decidedly not the case. 1 is fine, 2 is borderline, and 3 is too much. Longest plasma cannon kill: 236.45m
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1	Posted - 2015.06.14 08:03:00 - [28] - Quote Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah You're getting owned by paper-thin blimps? I just wait for them to jump around someone else, then fry them mid-leap. It's not hard to lure them into a trap, they're rather stupid. http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
Charli Chaplin Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2015.06.14 08:29:00 - [29] - Quote 4lbert Wesker wrote: Due to re.tarded "tactic" involved with myos and MD(insane jumping) this game became a disgrace.You can bash BF4/COD/CS but there are no noob scrubs who are jumping with a splash damage weapon.This ** don't need nerf,it needs to be removed from a game entirely,like it never existed before and there are many players who agreeds with me. CCP will not give a damn about me neither i give a damn about them(same as playerbase).I will stay here until I sell all my officer weapons and suits and then i will off out of here until this jumping fa.ggotry has been removed from a game.Thank you for your time and take care. left this **** game long time ago. still play it for fun from time to time tho :p
Zan Azikuchi G.R.A.V.E The Ditanian Alliance 83	Posted - 2015.06.14 08:49:00 - [30] - Quote CeeJ Mantis wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: CeeJ Mantis wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: LUGMOS wrote: Needs a downside, increased stamina use from jumping. Want to ha be more stamina? Equip cardiacs = -HP ^ Agreed. Could also set jump cost = 33% stamina pool; would get no more than 3 back-to-back jumps. There us a mechanic in the game that exponentially increases the amount of stamina jumping takes when done in quick succession. The problem is that myo junkies are in the air long enough to counter this brief interval. Rather than make it a flat percentage (like it was at one time and it wasn't very fun for people who use stamina mods), just adjust it so that you must be on the ground for a certain period of time to reset the timer, rather than a timer based on button presses. Myos still need to be balance adjusted. They are more effective than they are supposed to be. All good points. Any ideas on how to resolve back-to-back moonjumping without a client-side update? The only one I have without a proper client-side update is reduce the jump effectiveness of a single module. That's the main problem right there anyway. It's supposed to be a around a 100% total increase to jump height, but it is notably higher than that. If you only jumped 5m with 3x Myos, then few would complain, but that is decidedly not the case. 1 is fine, 2 is borderline, and 3 is too much. What could be done client-side, is add the fire mechanic's to stamina, this way, people aren't simply holding down the trigger, once stamina is out, you lose massive amount's of accuracy. When there is light, shadow's lurk and fear reign's... Yet by the blade of knight's, mankind, was given hope.



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