DUST Search - Let's talk about the Scout: Racial bonuses and inferred roles.

Arirana wrote:

Varoth Drac wrote:

Interestingly I made almost the exact same proposal in the barbershop a while back.

A potential alternative Gallente scout bonus would be to cloak duration/recharge. Or give Caldari the cloak bonus and Galente scan range, if you want to be more racially aligned.

There are issues however. Firstly there is the danger of making the Minmatar scout overpowered. Also, whilst I like the idea of making knives more viable on other suits, removing the knife bonus to Min scouts potentially loses the flavour and heart of the suit. Knives are part of a Min scout's identity. Losing the bonus, even if knife damage was buffed generally, would remove that identity.

I feel that the min scout won't be losing it's heart, rather it will be sharing it with everyone, and the gal and cal scouts will be sharing its stealth with it and the amarr scout.

I really like your idea for the bonuses for the cal and gal scouts, I'll be adding that to the post until I see a better one, and giving credit to you of course.


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One Eyed King Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.13 06:15:00 - [1] - Quote Arirana wrote: Varoth Drac wrote: Interestingly I made almost the exact same proposal in the barbershop a while back. A potential alternative Gallente scout bonus would be to cloak duration/recharge. Or give Caldari the cloak bonus and Galente scan range, if you want to be more racially aligned. There are issues however. Firstly there is the danger of making the Minmatar scout overpowered. Also, whilst I like the idea of making knives more viable on other suits, removing the knife bonus to Min scouts potentially loses the flavour and heart of the suit. Knives are part of a Min scout's identity. Losing the bonus, even if knife damage was buffed generally, would remove that identity. I feel that the min scout won't be losing it's heart, rather it will be sharing it with everyone, and the gal and cal scouts will be sharing its stealth with it and the amarr scout. I really like your idea for the bonuses for the cal and gal scouts, I'll be adding that to the post until I see a better one, and giving credit to you of course. But if you share it's heart with everyone, then there is no need to run it instead of the others... If you can knife as good or better in other suits, who may have more HP, more LS for KinCats, CBs, Armor, and CDs, why bother with the Minmatar? This isn't a buff to Minjas.... not at all. No one cares about precision, that is why it is such a crap bonus, and Gal Scouts won't bother. They can just throw some PG enh to supplement KinCats, etc. This would be a buff to Amarr and Gal Scouts (who now get to keep their bonus, which means they can always dampen as well as a Minja AND have an extra LS to play with, PLUS get the Knife bonus for no reason). AND you would be making Assault Knifers possible... Yeah, those guys don't have enough things that make them OP with all their speed, extra slots, and HP that we now have to worry about Assaults with scout like speed, and profile, with way more HP. This would be no less messed up than allowing everyone to carry an HMG.... TL;DR Booooo!!! Don't kill the Minja by stealing our knife bonus!!! Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.13 06:48:00 - [2] - Quote Arirana wrote: I think you guys are forgetting the fact that the min scout still has a speed hack bonus, which becomes more useful with the newly added stealth. And like I said, Nova Knives are a Caldari weapon. The Minmatar scout's identity had no business being best at using a caldari weapon in the first place, its just a rollover mistake from the previous less competent devs that unfortunately is being held onto like like a bald guy wears a combover and claims he has a full head of hair. Why skill into a whole suit just to speed hack? Get a Gal Scout and stack it with 4 CBs and you'll be close enough not to know the difference. For as many people that have huge amounts of SP and are willing to respec, they could easily just ditch the Min Scout, keep their Gal Scout, and have a scout close enough to a Minja for it not to matter. They can stack KCs for speed, and CBs for hacks. The ONLY thing they can't stick a mod on for is stamina regen, which can be negated by just throwing on a Cardiac Reg and having a big enough stamina pool not to matter. Its not unlike where the Amarr are now. They are good scouts, but pretty much anything they can do, Gals can do better, and since the Precision bonus is now crap like I said earlier, there is no reason to run them other than being the Empress' cuckhold. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.13 20:32:00 - [3] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: I'd be a fool to dismiss the balance-minded perspectives from highly experienced [others]. You got that last part right. Are you implying that you're highly experienced at something? Apart from arguing poorly, what might that be, and how might it relate to the topic at hand? Indeed. If you want to talk to an expert in non constructive arguments el OPERATOR is deffinately the person to talk to. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.