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Krias Thracian Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 29	Posted - 2015.06.11 08:29:00 - [1] - Quote If anything it's actually easier to spot than not cloaking. Every time I'm cloaked I'm spotted at what should be an impossible distance for someone who is supposedly "cloaked". Last time I was in the shade AND cloaked and was spotted by someone over 100 yards away. Is cloaking actually supposed to make you harder to spot, or is it supposed to make you stick out like a christmas tree?
Genral69 death Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 333	Posted - 2015.06.11 08:41:00 - [2] - Quote Are you always running when your cloaked? Its alot harder to be spotted when you standing still. However if they happen to even look your way there cross hair will give you away (which is really anoyying ) But as a scout myself (quiet rare I scout) I seem to have gotten better at spotting scouts General limited: warming failure to pay, may lead to death,massive amount of pain or even lose of family. Since 1995
Raven-747 warravens 33	Posted - 2015.06.11 08:47:00 - [3] - Quote Well I think that players are now getting used to dealing with cloaks and started paying more attention to the screen. Reduce the ripple effect of the cloak while running and maybe that might help. I once took a core locus to the knee
Juno Tristan Obscure Reference 666	Posted - 2015.06.11 08:59:00 - [4] - Quote Hey I was going to start a thread like this "Who still actually uses a cloak?" (excluding APEX suits) You've got no ewar You're still fairly visible Clumsy cloak delay mechanic Got to run damps to avoid being scanned and the obvious, legitimate drawback, you can't shoot! Also, you're more visible in the shade, stick to the light! ADS Ramming Revenge! Plasma Cannon Rampage
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.11 09:18:00 - [5] - Quote I wonder for every cloaker you spotted, how many you missed? The answer: You can't know Aren't fallacies wonderful? "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
ANAHEIM Darko Corrosive Synergy No Context 749	Posted - 2015.06.11 09:27:00 - [6] - Quote For me, it's about running between cover in the periphery or the enemies' vision. Or getting in close behind someone before you get spotted. Running at someone head to head, or across in front of them, leaves you too easy to spot in many cases. Assault ck.0. Scout ck.0. Sentinel ck.0 Commando cK.0
Nachos 327	Posted - 2015.06.11 09:42:00 - [7] - Quote i use it when stalking a formidable player, or overwatchinga point.... stand still, no one can see you until its too late zor's alt
Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 602	Posted - 2015.06.11 11:24:00 - [8] - Quote It's useless kinda. I use to use them. I stopped cuz I got fed up always dying to a sniper or someone who spotted me. It's supposed to be used to get from place to place stealthily but it fails at that. 48th Special Operations Force Twitter-@48SOF
I-Shayz-I I----------I 5	Posted - 2015.06.11 11:48:00 - [9] - Quote Cloaks work better when the opponent can't scan you, passively or actively. Even if you're standing still 100 meters away, you will still have a red arrow above your head. I could be wrong, but you also get a red reticle indicator when you aim at a cloaked player. I also find them better for running away or moving to a flank rather than pushing forward aggressively. Cause honestly a good flank without a cloak is 100x more effective than being in the enemy FoV with one 7162 wp with a Repair Tool!
Foo Fighting Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 361	Posted - 2015.06.11 14:32:00 - [10] - Quote Useful for climbing ladders without getting shot, useful for sneaking past enemies that are engaged in fighting, useful for escaping from enemies so long as you realise you are not invisible in direct sight only in peripheral vision.

Balistyc Farshot MONSTER SYNERGY 215	Posted - 2015.06.11 15:06:00 - [11] - Quote Ok, this is silly. I use cloaks on my Assault CR and Shotgun suits. What you guys don't have is the old scout skills combined with Myos. I run a cal scout and when I am in a tight city everyone needs to watch their backs. Sprint through the really open areas and hit a jump or two while cloaked. They will lose you in the air. Then go around a corner and decloak. Confirm if they are chasing you and if they are then jump over them and blap them from behind. If they lost you. Wait for them to get distracted else where then sprint in. Too many scouts expect to just heads up sprint in on aware players. There should be things occurring that distract the players, then you blap them from behind. Never perform a frontal run unless you see them start the reload (Golden time). If you don't have a basic damp on your scout expect scans and use your cloak to visually scout, but head glitch or sprint jump. Lastly, the atmosphere may help you because in smoke or haze you are nearly invisible. Just saying. With the team chat gone, we need to really start leveraging the squad finder!
Cody Sietz Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 4	Posted - 2015.06.11 15:22:00 - [12] - Quote People complained hard about the cloak and it got nerfed over and over again. Just like the scout. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 7	Posted - 2015.06.11 15:52:00 - [13] - Quote Because of the shimmer, you're more visible in the shade. The cloak was and is supposed to help scouts move across wide areas out in the open.
Baltazar Pontain Blauhelme E.B.O.L.A. 161	Posted - 2015.06.11 16:05:00 - [14] - Quote Today a minmatar scout ran to me (gallente commando). One hit without charge. Why stealth if you can one hit a commando? Okay he was proto and me apex but ... that felt strange. Oh and he did it twice. Second time he came around the cloner and I was faster dead than my plasma cannon was able to charge up and fire. Now excuse me I have to go into bed and whine myself asleep.
VAHZZ Corrosive Synergy No Context 2	Posted - 2015.06.11 16:14:00 - [15] - Quote I made a pact to myself. Back in my day we didn't have cloaks, while when cloaks came out it did help so much, but still. Scouts could still be terrifying without cloaks, aka musturd and Marauder. And cloaks did indeed make scouts even scarier. But back in our day we didn't need a cloak, so i made a vow to never use a cloak. It helps that cloaks are in a bad state right now lol
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.11 16:17:00 - [16] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I wonder for every cloaker you spotted, how many you missed? The answer: You can't know Aren't fallacies wonderful? While you can't know that, it is feasible to record data of how frequently someone spots you while cloaked in various circumstances and kills you. If cloaks are doing what they should, that shouldn't happen more than 2 or 3 times per battle, and should pretty much just happen when running directly at someone. I would be willing to bet that the cloak gets spotted much more frequently than that. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Radiant Pancake3 Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 117	Posted - 2015.06.11 16:22:00 - [17] - Quote Baltazar Pontain wrote: Today a minmatar scout ran to me (gallente commando). One hit without charge. Why stealth if you can one hit a commando? Okay he was proto and me apex but ... that felt strange. Oh and he did it twice. Second time he came around the cloner and I was faster dead than my plasma cannon was able to charge up and fire. Now excuse me I have to go into bed and whine myself asleep. The knives stab twice not just once. Maybe he hit you with both? I am the Clown of Ass or am I the Ass of Clown... o.O Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ Minmatar Loyalist Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ
maybe deadcatz Horizons' Edge No Context 67	Posted - 2015.06.11 16:22:00 - [18] - Quote Balistyc Farshot wrote: Ok, this is silly. I use cloaks on my Assault CR and Shotgun suits. What you guys don't have is the old scout skills combined with Myos. I run a cal scout and when I am in a tight city everyone needs to watch their backs. Sprint through the really open areas and hit a jump or two while cloaked. They will lose you in the air. Then go around a corner and decloak. Confirm if they are chasing you and if they are then jump over them and blap them from behind. If they lost you. Wait for them to get distracted else where then sprint in. Too many scouts expect to just heads up sprint in on aware players. There should be things occurring that distract the players, then you blap them from behind. Never perform a frontal run unless you see them start the reload (Golden time). If you don't have a basic damp on your scout expect scans and use your cloak to visually scout, but head glitch or sprint jump. Lastly, the atmosphere may help you because in smoke or haze you are nearly invisible. Just saying. oh god the crutch myo meets the cloak.... oh wait you have almost nill in ehp so i can shoot em down before he hits the peak of his jump Ewar? What's that? Some kind of fancy new way of being lazy? Learn how to use your eyes and ears you maggots.
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.11 18:51:00 - [19] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Cat Merc wrote: I wonder for every cloaker you spotted, how many you missed? The answer: You can't know Aren't fallacies wonderful? While you can't know that, it is feasible to record data of how frequently someone spots you while cloaked in various circumstances and kills you. If cloaks are doing what they should, that shouldn't happen more than 2 or 3 times per battle, and should pretty much just happen when running directly at someone. I would be willing to bet that the cloak gets spotted much more frequently than that. Especially at a distance in the open which is when the cloak is supposed to be most effective. User error is a fun thing. When I use the cloak for non combat purposes, it works as advertised. "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.11 19:23:00 - [20] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Cat Merc wrote: I wonder for every cloaker you spotted, how many you missed? The answer: You can't know Aren't fallacies wonderful? While you can't know that, it is feasible to record data of how frequently someone spots you while cloaked in various circumstances and kills you. If cloaks are doing what they should, that shouldn't happen more than 2 or 3 times per battle, and should pretty much just happen when running directly at someone. I would be willing to bet that the cloak gets spotted much more frequently than that. Especially at a distance in the open which is when the cloak is supposed to be most effective. User error is a fun thing. When I use the cloak for non combat purposes, it works as advertised. Its comments like these that prevent reasonable discussion of the subject. Let me know when you are ready to stop being a child and we'll talk like real grown ups! Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.

Koldy Lyte Marven DUST University Ivy League 76	Posted - 2015.06.11 19:42:00 - [21] - Quote Krias Thracian wrote: If anything it's actually easier to spot than not cloaking. Every time I'm cloaked I'm spotted at what should be an impossible distance for someone who is supposedly "cloaked". Last time I was in the shade AND cloaked and was spotted by someone over 100 yards away. Is cloaking actually supposed to make you harder to spot, or is it supposed to make you stick out like a christmas tree? I got sniped while running cloacked... ( -í° -£-û -í°)
Her Chosen Grade No.2 312	Posted - 2015.06.11 19:45:00 - [22] - Quote lol get good That dark cloud Latest Upload
VikingKong iBUN 0uter.Heaven 411	Posted - 2015.06.11 19:53:00 - [23] - Quote You probably need to dampen your profile more. I usually run precision enhancers - I see a lot of cloaked scouts on the radar, or because of the big red arrow above their head. I'm not saying it doesn't suck though. That "clumsy delay" is just stupid. I would like a Gallente SMG.
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.12 03:10:00 - [24] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Cat Merc wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Cat Merc wrote: I wonder for every cloaker you spotted, how many you missed? The answer: You can't know Aren't fallacies wonderful? While you can't know that, it is feasible to record data of how frequently someone spots you while cloaked in various circumstances and kills you. If cloaks are doing what they should, that shouldn't happen more than 2 or 3 times per battle, and should pretty much just happen when running directly at someone. I would be willing to bet that the cloak gets spotted much more frequently than that. Especially at a distance in the open which is when the cloak is supposed to be most effective. User error is a fun thing. When I use the cloak for non combat purposes, it works as advertised. Its comments like these that prevent reasonable discussion of the subject. Let me know when you are ready to stop being a child and we'll talk like real grown ups! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSBICx2yyZo "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 759	Posted - 2015.06.12 03:39:00 - [25] - Quote Raven-747 wrote: Well I think that players are now getting used to dealing with cloaks and started paying more attention to the screen. Reduce the ripple effect of the cloak while running and maybe that might help. Definitely not true. CCP handicapped them so hard its pretty much useless. All because of whiners bro. The vast majority must have SDTVs. I don't know how bros couldn't see them before all the nerfs. The complaints about the cloaks were so stupid but hey, that's just my opinion. Saying what's on people's minds
Radiant Pancake3 THE REBEL FEDERATION 121	Posted - 2015.06.12 04:27:00 - [26] - Quote Cookies. I am the Clown of Ass or am I the Ass of Clown... o.O Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ Minmatar Loyalist Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ
Lynn Beck Delta Vanguard 6 2	Posted - 2015.06.12 04:59:00 - [27] - Quote Krixus Flux wrote: Raven-747 wrote: Well I think that players are now getting used to dealing with cloaks and started paying more attention to the screen. Reduce the ripple effect of the cloak while running and maybe that might help. Definitely not true. CCP handicapped them so hard its pretty much useless. All because of whiners bro. The vast majority must have SDTVs. I don't know how bros couldn't see them before all the nerfs. The complaints about the cloaks were so stupid but hey, that's just my opinion. The problem is that, because it's free and on Ps3(having free network access, unlike PS4/Xbox) little kids play it. It's that simple. We have 11 year olds on XBox playing CoD, so how much younger/more would there be on a F2P PS3 game that doesn't monitor your internet connection? Plus... Having helped babysit for a while, i've personally mentored a 12 year old into DUST and wrote him out a skill plan. Edit: Darned multitasking. My point is that children have HORRIFYING anti-combat tendencies, and even worse spatial awareness. I wouldn't be surprised if 60+% were under the age of 18(the ESRB's rating for such a game, no?) General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation'
Krias Thracian Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 30	Posted - 2015.06.12 08:05:00 - [28] - Quote I didn't know about the targeting reticle. That's probably the biggest issue with cloaks in that case. It's easy to spot by the changing of the reticle when hovered over a cloaked individual. I wonder how many people actually see the cloak and how many people are just doing good FPS tactics and sweeping the area. Whenever I'm spotted I'm at 80-100 metres. I could understand being spotted at 20, but at 80 you should be nigh impossible to spot barring running through a hail of bullets targeting someone behind you, but most people appear to be able to spot and track effortlessly. That's what confuses me. As I said I'm fairly new to cloaking, but I'm not stupid enough to run right at someone and usually use it to cross ground towards objectives. Constantly getting spotted. Also, what the heck is the point in a cloak if you can still be active scanned? Isn't that the whole point of a cloak, to render you invisible? If you can be scanned down and actually need damps even when the cloak is active then it ain't fit for purpose.
Krias Thracian Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 30	Posted - 2015.06.12 08:15:00 - [29] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Cat Merc wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Cat Merc wrote: I wonder for every cloaker you spotted, how many you missed? The answer: You can't know Aren't fallacies wonderful? While you can't know that, it is feasible to record data of how frequently someone spots you while cloaked in various circumstances and kills you. If cloaks are doing what they should, that shouldn't happen more than 2 or 3 times per battle, and should pretty much just happen when running directly at someone. I would be willing to bet that the cloak gets spotted much more frequently than that. Especially at a distance in the open which is when the cloak is supposed to be most effective. User error is a fun thing. When I use the cloak for non combat purposes, it works as advertised. Its comments like these that prevent reasonable discussion of the subject. Let me know when you are ready to stop being a child and we'll talk like real grown ups! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSBICx2yyZo Is that your video?
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1	Posted - 2015.06.12 08:37:00 - [30] - Quote Krias Thracian wrote: If anything it's actually easier to spot than not cloaking. Every time I'm cloaked I'm spotted at what should be an impossible distance for someone who is supposedly "cloaked". Last time I was in the shade AND cloaked and was spotted by someone over 100 yards away. Is cloaking actually supposed to make you harder to spot, or is it supposed to make you stick out like a christmas tree? Cloaks are for moving when not under direct observation. If you're running directly in front of someone away from all obstacles, you're fair game. If you move, but are careful, cloaks can get you behind enemy lines, and even change the flow of battle. I've seen it happen before. They are to reduce visibility, not to make you "magically invisible". If you are skirting around a fight to get behind someone, a cloak can be incredibly useful, because they will be paying attention to their attackers. On the other hand, if you run around in front of someone who is not under attack, they will most likely spot you. Rule #1 Awareness is key ---If you just run haphazardly without looking at the area you are passing through, you will never be able to use a cloak effectively. And frankly, that's the only rule you have to pay attention to when using a cloak. The number of times I've killed someone running while cloaked, because they caught my attention while sniping is quite high. Usually, they run nonstop in a straight line... no strafing... no turning... no weaving... just a line. As a result of this, I've often thought that there should be a variant that follows the TF2 system known as the "Cloak and Dagger" where the cloak does not tick down, while the player is not moving, as well as it permits the cloak to slowly recharge. Moving in smaller bursts while running across a field would be much more beneficial, because then you would not have the constant blurring effect. Plus, standing still greatly reduces your visibility. http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.



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