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emm kay
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Posted - 2015.06.10 03:39:00 -
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I got this idea from a previous thread, but maybe make a new damage mechanic. Basically it works as the following: your armor stays in tact unless a damage source would do damage greater than twice your remaining shields. If a damage source does more than your remaining shields, but not more than double, then your shields are depleted, and no damage is delt to armor. If a damage source does do more than twice your remaining shields, damage is done as it is now.
The effect this would have would be a 'buff' to the consistent dps weapons. It would also nerf one-shot unless you have elite skills. weapons we could expect a nerf of from most to least. 1)bolt pistol 2)ion pistol 3)locus grenades 4)remotes 5)nova knives (i think that an exclusion is needed for these) 6)AV 'nades (gunnlogi nees a buff anyway) 7)sniper rifles (excluding charge) 8) forge guns 9) shotguns 10) some peoples reputation
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emm kay
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Posted - 2015.06.10 20:57:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:emm kay wrote:I got this idea from a previous thread, but maybe make a new damage mechanic. Basically it works as the following: your armor stays in tact unless a damage source would do damage greater than twice your remaining shields. If a damage source does more than your remaining shields, but not more than double, then your shields are depleted, and no damage is delt to armor. If a damage source does do more than twice your remaining shields, damage is done as it is now.
The effect this would have would be a 'buff' to the consistent dps weapons. It would also nerf one-shot unless you have elite skills. weapons we could expect a nerf of from most to least. 1)bolt pistol 2)ion pistol 3)locus grenades 4)remotes 5)nova knives (i think that an exclusion is needed for these) 6)AV 'nades (gunnlogi nees a buff anyway) 7)sniper rifles (excluding charge) 8) forge guns 9) shotguns 10) some peoples reputation HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Someone got ganked a lot today I see. Let us read from the book of NO. Chapter NO Verse NO. "And the devs didst look down from on high, and thus did they sayeth: NO." No, I actually ganked alot. If I remember correctly, I got you with a bolt bistol not too long ago. edit: Are you worried that your Scrub-a-dub tactic won't work anymore after this?
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emm kay
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Posted - 2015.06.11 03:29:00 -
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Georgia Xavier wrote:Nerf ion pistol? I only used that weapon a couple of times and I can safely say what that weapon needs is the polar opposite of a nerf I use it all the time. Kills scouts dead. Kills Assaults dead. @ above: this reduces one hit kills and give time to react, while literally being the easiest method to implement, and you can do it with less than 5 lines of code, Heck I could do it in only two lines in 5+ languages, each in under a minute. let's do some. Java:
Quote:public int getArmorDamage(int shieldHP, double shieldResists, int incomingDamage,int Maxshields){ return (1/shieldResists)*shieldHP*2>incomingDamage?(this.shieldHP = Maxshields-incomingDamage*(1/shieldResists)) -this.shieldHP:incomingDamage-shieldHP*(1/shieldResists)+(this.shieldHP = 0); }
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Quote:int getArmorDamage(int shieldHP, double shieldResists, int incomingDamage,int Maxshields){ return (1/shieldResists)*shieldHP*2>incomingDamage?(this.shieldHP = Maxshields-incomingDamage*(1/shieldResists)) -this.shieldHP:incomingDamage-shieldHP*(1/shieldResists)+(this.shieldHP = 0); }
this works in most languages, as the syntax is usually similar. So I'm not going for tthe text wall.
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emm kay
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Posted - 2015.06.12 00:04:00 -
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Zan Azikuchi wrote: For once, I agree with breakin *wind howls* (did anyone else feel a chill up their spine?), for multiple reason's, bolt pistol needs to be rebalanced, ion pistol need's its charging ability taken away and placed on the Scram pistol, locus grenades are the only ways to kill sentinels aside from an RE, nova knives are fine, it's the fact that sprinting speed is so high that you can't kill turn fast enough to kill the scout (most of the time its a scout), AV nades are perfect as they are now but the the soldier need's to be able to throw or place each grenade type differently, Sniper rifle's have received enough nerf's it's already ridiculous that the roden sniper rifle got nerfed when nobody asked for one, forge guns are hard to aim and require massive amounts of concentration from the player him/her self to actually kill infantry with (or just get lucky).
Shotguns... well, once their hit detection is fixed i'd nerf it but also buff it, nerf the shot gun so that each pellet (energy) does a few points of damage, not enough to out right kill the suit, but if it's a shield tanked suit, should require 4 shots at 20 meters, 3 in 10, and plenty more at range, armor wise, it'd take the entire clip, HOWEVER i'd give it EXTREMELY high headshot capability, one that beats the charge sniper rifle's headshot ability like +500% or greater, so that sneaky scout's can get the 1 shot kill on both shield and armor.
Back on sniper rifle's though, they don't need a nerf, they need their old range back, or at least 100+ meters on em, if not then increase it's damage so that it doesn't take FOREVER to kill an armor bricked amarr, if you've sniped, you'd know how finnicky the SR or any cal weapon can get.
As for the proposal of the damage system, it's dumb, it make's no sense, it give's more power to armor users than shield users (unless you plan to add 20% less damage from all sources on cal's and +10 on mins). It's a system that even promotes armor tanking more than shield, which is the EXACT opposite of what this thread is about. And vehicles need to stop crying about everything that kills them when the exact same thing happens to shield reliant users all the time. wow. walls of text higher than most player's egos. I'll chop it up. a)locus is the only way to kill sentinels astide from REs. Give me a break, I've killed logi'd sentinels with every weapon except SMGs. not only that, with half the weapons, it's EASY to kill them.
b) AV nades are perfect as they are now. Fair enough. I wish that we could toss them highter than an elephant's hindside, though.
c) it's the fact that sprinting speed is so high that you can't kill turn fast enough to kill the scout (most of the time its a scout) Why did you think that CCP added uberjumps? scouts with novas are grounded now. easy kills.
d)Sniper rifle's have received enough nerf's it's already ridiculous that the roden sniper rifle got nerfed when nobody asked for one. the roden DID need a nerf. I've played with snipers, they are fine, except thales, which is still a redline tool. they are actually nice in cqc, esp. the tac. rifles.
e) forge guns are hard to aim and require massive amounts of concentration from the player him/her self to actually kill infantry with (or just get lucky). I guess I just got it, then. Honestly, it's easy to take out anything between 50-200m with a FG. that being said, the forge isn't a weapon for killing infantry. it's for tanks, and dropships.
f)Shotguns... well, once their hit detection is fixed i'd nerf it but also buff it, nerf the shot gun so that each pellet (energy) does a few points of damage, not enough to out right kill the suit, but if it's a shield tanked suit, should require 4 shots at 20 meters, 3 in 10, and plenty more at range, armor wise, it'd take the entire clip, HOWEVER i'd give it EXTREMELY high headshot capability, one that beats the charge sniper rifle's headshot ability like +500% or greater, so that sneaky scout's can get the 1 shot kill on both shield and armor. Have you heard the expression pushing rope?
G)As for the proposal of the damage system, it's dumb, it make's no sense, Ad homenim.
H) it give's more power to armor users than shield users (unless you plan to add 20% less damage from all sources on cal's and +10 on mins) Well, Now can see that either it does make no sense, or you didn't read it correctly.
I)It's a system that even promotes armor tanking more than shield, which is the EXACT opposite of what this thread is about. no. Re-read. I didn't mention armor anywhere, and in now way would this help somebody with more armor, as opposed to less, given the same shields
J)And vehicles need to stop crying about everything that kills them when the exact same thing happens to shield reliant users all the time. you just completely threw your argument out the window with this line. you said that shield tankers use the same tactics, you said that you don't give a hoot about shield tankers, and you said you don't care what's Good and bad against them.
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emm kay
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Posted - 2015.06.12 04:57:00 -
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Zan Azikuchi wrote: H. Okay I had a hard time reading this one (and still do), and your presentation was riddled with confusions, either your not good at english and need to speak in your foreign language and have someone else rewrite your entire OP (or we could just use google translate).
I'll provide some scenarios. you are in an MLT caldari suit. you have 240 shields and 200 armor.
situation A) a sniper hits you in the back for 200 damage. your shields go down to 40. your armor stays full.
situation B) a sniper his you in the head for 450 damage. Because 450 is not more than twice your shields (480), your shields go down to 0, and your armor stays full
cituation C) you are hacking and an RE dets. for 1500 damage. Because 1500 IS more than twice your shields, your shields deplete (-240) and your armor takes the rest of the damage(1500-240 = 1260). you die.
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emm kay
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Posted - 2015.06.12 15:40:00 -
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Zan Azikuchi wrote:
So, humoring you, this means that weapons like Bolt pistol won't 1 shot kill in the head, makes it require 3 shots on scouts if their shield bricked, and subsequently nerfs the sniper rifle into the ground as head shots are the only way for the SR gets its kills proper. This nerfs marksmanship heavily, add in the fact that this could make high ROF rifles the only decent means for a kill if this passes, or HMG's.
I bolded that section up ther to make a point. this would NOT nerf marksmanship, as a matter of fact, it rewards it. by getting headshots you'll be able to punch through shields, and thus getting the kill. Also, keep in mind that this isn't you against the world. YOU get this buff, too, So I suggest you stop victimizing certain suit classes as if they'd be UberOP.
Quote:Yeah honest opinion, this would only end in horrible amounts of frustrations to both new players and vets alike, you need to realise 1 simple factor, the damage system would promote duel tanking, armor fits would add shield brick to their suits negating any chance to properly get rid of threats that cause our team immersiable amounts of isk and clones. That's different than it is now?I mean seriously,you're complaining about brick tanking when people will ALWAYS do it, no matter how we alter shields. and yes, if weBUFF SHIELDS then more people will BRICK SHIELDS. that's just how the world works.
Quote:Now before you go any further than this, think of the great amount of consequences this would add, if it outweighs the good this could supposedly bring or equals it, its not a shield buff, its a nuisance that only favors armor. Think of every possibility. I'll give you a real possibility here. If this happens, this will prolly be the FOTM: Amarr Assault AK.0 High: 3xcomplex shield extenders low: 3x complex shield regulatlors, 1x complex profile dampener. 1x complex kincat. sidearm: assault smg light weap: carthum assault or viziam ScR. nade: c/7 flux equip: nanohive, uplink, or needle
high recharge will be what people will like the most, limiting us to only short, but frequent firefights.
and like I said before, if the drop suits have the same amount of shields, more armor does help, but not more than it does now. you seem to think that just because your armor isn't getting damage, it's an armor buff. It's not. this allows you to draw extra ehp from your suits through shields.
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it's because I see you first.
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emm kay
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Posted - 2015.06.12 16:47:00 -
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it's not uncommon. you can tank amarr suits to just about anything. hacking, speed, armor, damage, etc.
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emm kay
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Posted - 2015.06.13 02:17:00 -
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Zan Azikuchi wrote:You really, don't know how people's mentality work... Do you?....
Sadly, most don't. You make your entire point on brick tanking, as if people don't already do it. guess what? most people don't have slots laying around to 'add extra shield extenders'
You also mention that the devs will buff the weapsons to see through the tank. this will make armor not last as long, which effectively means they've still buffed the shield capabilities.
also I don't see why any of your fit styles are bad. This is new eden. there are no wrong fits. only ones at disadvantages in certain situstions.
There is a reason you never see me in battle.
it's because I see you first.
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emm kay
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Posted - 2015.06.13 16:25:00 -
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from time to time.
There is a reason you never see me in battle.
it's because I see you first.
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