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Clone D
Solo Zen
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Posted - 2015.06.08 00:53:00 -
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Let's compile a list of assumptions concerning the future of Dust 514 that we think are a safe bet.
Example 1: CCP has abandoned project legion. Reasoning: CCP cold shoulder.
Example 2: Dust 514 will never be ported anywhere. Reasoning: Too expensive to port PS3 code to other platform.
Example 3: Dust 514 is Rattati's play pen and will never be taken seriously by CCP. Reasoning: no resolution of known bugs or attempts to meet long standing community demands.
Example 4: Dust 514 will likely remain playable through the end of 2016 at which time the community population will no longe support the game. Reasoning: Dust 514 Server Status trends.
^^^^^ JUST EXAMPLES
Please contribute your assumptions and reasoning behind them, so that we can formulate some kind of group insight as to the probable future of the game. There are no right or wrong answers. This is strictly a speculative activity. However, to quote the great cosmo and bishop, " everything in this world, including money...
operates not on reality-
But the perception of reality." |
Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
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Posted - 2015.06.08 02:22:00 -
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Dust's future looks like the area you start out in in Destiny. You know, with all the rusted cars, and... Not being alive, and all that. |
Forever ETC
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.06.08 02:28:00 -
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Increased options for use of Aurum
Reasoning: *Looks at incomplete Warbarge
AmarrFTW
"The Hero got his feelings hurt for 9 hp... "
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VAHZZ
Corrosive Synergy
No Context
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Posted - 2015.06.08 02:46:00 -
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Don't forget to construct additional pylons.
"I bring nothing, I bless nothing, I save nothing; I just erase; completely, shatter."
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Yokal Bob
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.06.08 02:47:00 -
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More silence from CCP
Reasoning: They suck
Vote Dust for PS4
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William Harold
highland marines
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Posted - 2015.06.08 03:11:00 -
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CCP is a lot like H&K. They won't do anything for the community. "Because you suck and we hate you".
Should be their new motto. |
thor424
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.08 03:12:00 -
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I'm convinced that Legion is long abandoned.
I think Dust won't be ported, but for a different reason. Without an announcement about the future the numbers will drop too far to warrant a port. |
deezy dabest
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Posted - 2015.06.08 03:30:00 -
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The PS4 will finally get enough sales that there is not a light flow of new players coming in to support proto stompers having enough cannon fodder to stick around.
The game will get stuffed with more and more cash grabs until the flow of cannon fodder reaches critical mass thus allowing CCP to suck as much money as possible out of this sinking ship.
CCP announces server shut down for a port to PS4 which never happens and we all quietly forget about Dust while we wait for this port to happen.
CCP spends all their money on failed VR projects until they are once again reduced to only having Eve which continues to die off.
Star citizen takes up the flow of new players into Eve until they can no longer offset new player flow.
CCP in a desperate attempt releases another first person shooter based on the Legion code that has now been trashed.
Thanks to depreciating returns from Eve, all of their savings being blown on VR, and a last ditch effort to make something new finally sells out the rest of the company to the venture capital firm who bought a chunk to fund Dust for them.
Venture capital firm fires the upper management and keeps all of the current devs.
The new CCP releases a massive update to Eve and a few months later releases a massive update to the new attempt at Legion fully integrating it into New Eden becoming a massive success along side the reborn Eve.
I did not want to get too in detail but that's my general notes for the next ten years of CCPs future.
TL;DR = CCP finally gets upper level management worth something and they invest their money into growing projects instead of fulfilling "visions" but it is too late for any of us to care.
Yes I will always and forever hold that "visions" comment against Hilmar as it truly defines why CCP manages to continue to skate by on the fumes from Eve. |
Clone D
Solo Zen
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Posted - 2015.06.08 09:39:00 -
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Assumption: CCP has competely abandoned legion.
Reasoning: Release of trademark. Silence as to anything related to the project.
Assumption: Dust 514 will not be ported to PS4.
Reasoning: Project legion indicated development away from gaming consoles. Dust 514 is seen as a failure by CCP.
Assumption: Dust 514 will remain on the PS3 and rot.
Reasoning: It will not be ported to ps4 as it has been stigmatized.
Assumption: Any character development and money spent on Dust will evaporate when the game servers are turned off.
Reasoning: This part of the "Eve Universe" has cancer and is dying. |
deezy dabest
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Posted - 2015.06.08 09:49:00 -
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Clone D wrote:
Assumption: Dust 514 will remain on the PS3 and rot.
Reasoning: It will not be ported to ps4 as it has been stigmatized.
Only the other day did it really hit me how bad the stigma behind both "Dust 514" and "Project Legion" really are.
A search on Dust 514 quickly reveals mediocre reviews (at best), countless Dust is dead articles from FF14, CCP calling it a bad game them self, more bad reviews, and we won't even get started with what will come up on the Legion side.
Any small or medium blog writing good reviews on either of these names would quickly be slammed with people who only form opinions based on other blogs leaving them looking disconnected from their user base and ultimately embarrassing them. It is really sad to see that CCP has put things into that state.
One can only wonder what / if the next name will be. |
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Yokal Bob
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.06.08 10:13:00 -
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thor424 wrote:I'm convinced that Legion is long abandoned.
I think Dust won't be ported, but for a different reason. Without an announcement about the future the numbers will drop too far to warrant a port.
And still they refuse to comment. I'm sure they are reading the forums, so it's even more of a kick in the teeth.
Vote Dust for PS4
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IVIaster LUKE
Art.of.Death
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Posted - 2015.06.08 13:27:00 -
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Yokal Bob wrote:thor424 wrote:I'm convinced that Legion is long abandoned.
I think Dust won't be ported, but for a different reason. Without an announcement about the future the numbers will drop too far to warrant a port. And still they refuse to comment. I'm sure they are reading the forums, so it's even more of a kick in the teeth.
We have no teeth.
'Scotty' kicked them in and all we can do is gum them to a tenderized death.
if you can dodge a Wrench....you can dodge a Duvolle.
Achura Bloodline: 'War Monk'
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VAHZZ
Corrosive Synergy
No Context
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Posted - 2015.06.08 15:14:00 -
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William Harold wrote:CCP is a lot like H&K. They won't do anything for the community. "Because you suck and we hate you".
Should be their new motto.
HTFU
"I bring nothing, I bless nothing, I save nothing; I just erase; completely, shatter."
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thor424
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.08 15:33:00 -
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Yokal Bob wrote:thor424 wrote:I'm convinced that Legion is long abandoned.
I think Dust won't be ported, but for a different reason. Without an announcement about the future the numbers will drop too far to warrant a port. And still they refuse to comment. I'm sure they are reading the forums, so it's even more of a kick in the teeth.
It's really hard to fathom being an American. An American business would say whatever it had to say to keep customers.
CCP doesn't even have to promise anything. They could simply say, "we plan on porting Dust somewhere and we are researching whether console or PC is the best option."
That sentence right there brings back players and keeps players here. That's all they have to say to keep people playing Dust on PS3 for at least another year. |
Talos Vagheitan
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.06.08 16:25:00 -
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Clone D wrote:Let's compile a list of assumptions concerning the future of Dust 514 that we think are a safe bet.
Example 1: CCP has abandoned project legion. Reasoning: CCP cold shoulder.
Example 2: Dust 514 will never be ported anywhere. Reasoning: Too expensive to port PS3 code to other platform.
Example 3: Dust 514 is Rattati's play pen and will never be taken seriously by CCP. Reasoning: no resolution of known bugs or attempts to meet long standing community demands.
Example 4: Dust 514 will likely remain playable through the end of 2016 at which time the community population will no longe support the game. Reasoning: Dust 514 Server Status trends.
1. I would agree. But that's just a guess. Their silence doesn't prove anything.
2. What are you basing this off? Numbers and figures, or just more guessing?
3. Which bugs, and long standing demands?
4. Doesn't apply, because of flawed reasoning in previous points.
!--CCP, PORT DUST 2.0 TO XB1 AND PS4 AS THE FIRST CROSS PLATFORM SHOOTER--!
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Krixus Flux
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.08 16:27:00 -
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Dude you said you were making your last thread a year and a half ago. You always whining.
Saying what's on people's minds
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Talos Vagheitan
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.06.08 16:28:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:Clone D wrote:
Assumption: Dust 514 will remain on the PS3 and rot.
Reasoning: It will not be ported to ps4 as it has been stigmatized.
Only the other day did it really hit me how bad the stigma behind both "Dust 514" and "Project Legion" really are. A search on Dust 514 quickly reveals mediocre reviews (at best), countless Dust is dead articles from FF14, CCP calling it a bad game them self, more bad reviews, and we won't even get started with what will come up on the Legion side.
That's why a reboot would do wonders.
Also, those reviews all took place when Dust was initially launched. Chromosome! It's not even the same game it was back then. Also, go watch some of the old reviews, like IGN, so full of nonsense it's not even funny.
The major reviewers aren't really reliable. These are the same people that give CoD 9.8/10 every year.
!--CCP, PORT DUST 2.0 TO XB1 AND PS4 AS THE FIRST CROSS PLATFORM SHOOTER--!
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thor424
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
357
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Posted - 2015.06.08 16:32:00 -
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Talos Vagheitan wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Clone D wrote:
Assumption: Dust 514 will remain on the PS3 and rot.
Reasoning: It will not be ported to ps4 as it has been stigmatized.
Only the other day did it really hit me how bad the stigma behind both "Dust 514" and "Project Legion" really are. A search on Dust 514 quickly reveals mediocre reviews (at best), countless Dust is dead articles from FF14, CCP calling it a bad game them self, more bad reviews, and we won't even get started with what will come up on the Legion side. That's why a reboot would do wonders. Also, those reviews all took place when Dust was initially launched. Chromosome! It's not even the same game it was back then. Also, go watch some of the old reviews, like IGN, so full of nonsense it's not even funny. The major reviewers aren't really reliable. These are the same people that give CoD 9.8/10 every year.
I had never been a beta player before Dust. Is it common to have a beta and then release a totally different game without beta testing it? |
Shadowed Cola
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.06.08 16:42:00 -
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lol CCP's upper management isn't going anywhere and they're the viruses and plaque leading to everything being ruined. They think since they got lucky with EvE they can half ass they way through everything. EvE's success was completely dependent on a lack of competition you dumb fucks at CCP.
Does Dust have a future? Yes. CCP has found an easy money pin with low investment and that's the exact reason we get any update or attention at all.
Throw in CCP's track record of constantly going back and forth on programming directions, it's likely Dust's code is convoluted after 2-3 entire teams have been fired over this project.
I highly doubt they fully understand all the coding in Dust anymore to properly port it, which is half the reason they wanted Legion. They already were too flexible with Dust's development and lost direction of it between codes they don't understand and a direction they can't follow anymore.
so if legion doesn't become a 'thing' we're likely to never see what we really wanted in this game. |
CommanderBolt
KILL-EM-QUICK
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.06.08 18:34:00 -
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VAHZZ wrote:Don't forget to construct additional pylons.
You have not enough minerals.
Though being Terran all I hear is "SCV ready" - "It's your dime"............."Our SCV`s are under attack" [oh god!]
"Madness how we turned our common-ground into a battle-ground.." - Essa
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deezy dabest
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Posted - 2015.06.08 21:28:00 -
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Talos Vagheitan wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Clone D wrote:
Assumption: Dust 514 will remain on the PS3 and rot.
Reasoning: It will not be ported to ps4 as it has been stigmatized.
Only the other day did it really hit me how bad the stigma behind both "Dust 514" and "Project Legion" really are. A search on Dust 514 quickly reveals mediocre reviews (at best), countless Dust is dead articles from FF14, CCP calling it a bad game them self, more bad reviews, and we won't even get started with what will come up on the Legion side. That's why a reboot would do wonders. Also, those reviews all took place when Dust was initially launched. Chromosome! It's not even the same game it was back then. Also, go watch some of the old reviews, like IGN, so full of nonsense it's not even funny. The major reviewers aren't really reliable. These are the same people that give CoD 9.8/10 every year.
Yes those reviews are old and no longer true to some extent.
The issue is when a new player googles Dust out of frustration of not being able to get any where and finds all of this info it combines with their experience for an instant rage quit in the name of "well everyone else hates it too".
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2015.06.08 21:40:00 -
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I am the last merc in these forums who will make excuses for CCP given the piece of crap they have produced.
But even so, back when Dust still held promise, the great majority of reviewers didn't get it. They didn't even understand the mechanics of the shooter, let alone what integration into New Eden would mean.
We'll be facing the same difficulty if Dust ever re-releases.
As far as the OP goes, not a frigg'n clue: i no longer have an internal model for CCP as it applies to Dust. Their behavior has been so inept/nonsensical that all my priors have collapsed and the sole remaining incoming signal from CCP is thermal noise and vacuum fluctuations.
The only thing i feel confident in saying is if there is a future for Dust it will be on the x86 platform. That's it. GG CCP, you have become formless.
PSN: RationalSpark
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