DUST Search - Serious Issue with Fitting Cost Reduction/Optimization Skills

Jaran Vilktar wrote:

I've recently skilled into Nova Knife Fitting Optimization 2 in hopes of making my Ishukone NK's cost only 6 PG to fit. According to the game they should only cost 6 PG and when I mount them on an empty frame they do in fact cost 6 PG but when I attempt to fit them on a particular fit they go back to costing 7 PG instead... I got suspicious about this odd occurrence so I began to tinker with my fittings and discovered what I believe may be a serious issue with the games ability to apply the effects of Fitting Optimization and Skills such as the Fitting requirement reduction skills you get for the Cloak Field on Scouts when 2 or more items that rely on these types of skills are added to the same fitting.

Here's an example of this, I have AR Fitting Optimization 1 and NK Fitting Optimization at 2, PLC Fitting Optimization 3 with mk.0 and gk.0 Scouts.

Apply an NK to my empty mk.0 scout and get 44/6, so far so good. I then can apply items to any part of my suit to fill it up and if you count the items fitting costs they all add up, just as they should. Now, when I apply my Duvolle AR to my fit I should only have to pay 12 PG to fit it instead of 13 yet, after managing my PG points I add up the numbers and I notice my AR took 13 PG instead of 12 and a similar issue happens when I add a cloak field to my suit. I Make another empty frame with my mk.0 scout but this time only fit an ARN-18 Cloak Field (11 PG with any Scout at Level 5), a Duvolle AR (12 PG with Fitting Opt. 1) and a set of Ishukone NK's (6 PG with Fitting Opt. 2). Doing some simple math I should have to end up using 29 PG to fit all of these yet, I end up using 30... I mess around with these 3 items, when only 1 of any of these is on the frame the numbers add up but when I add another one I seem to pay 1 PG more than I should and when I pair an Ishukone NK and Duvolle AR I pay 19 PG when I should only pay 18. I then add an advanced Cloak to the fit and get a 30 PG count (19 + 11 = 30 working as intended). When I applied any 2 of these 3 items to my fit the PG of the second item I added was added to the fit in full without accounting for the fitting reduction skills and the 3rd item was applied as it should be. I attempted this same pattern on a gk.0 scout and got the same results, the Allotek PLC (85 CPU with Fitting Opt. 3) whose Fitting Optimization skill reduces CPU rather than PG also seems to be affected by this issue but instead it seems to further reduce the amount of CPU it consumes rather than increase it example: Ishukone NK's (44 CPU) + Allotek PLC (85 CPU) should = 129 CPU and 6 PG... but it takes 128 CPU instead (PG remains at 6).

Though small, this issue can hinder the creation of fits like it did to me this day. I'm sadly a bit short on time today and I can't try different things to see if this issue extends to other suits though i suspect it may also hinder the Logistics class thank's to their class bonus. If anyone who's specced into the logi class could verify this it would be appreciated. Thank's for reading o7

P.S. Sorry for no TL;DR I really think this should be read at your own pace until you get what I'm trying to say.


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Shadowed Cola Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 117	Posted - 2015.06.07 20:02:00 - [1] - Quote Jaran Vilktar wrote: I've recently skilled into Nova Knife Fitting Optimization 2 in hopes of making my Ishukone NK's cost only 6 PG to fit. According to the game they should only cost 6 PG and when I mount them on an empty frame they do in fact cost 6 PG but when I attempt to fit them on a particular fit they go back to costing 7 PG instead... I got suspicious about this odd occurrence so I began to tinker with my fittings and discovered what I believe may be a serious issue with the games ability to apply the effects of Fitting Optimization and Skills such as the Fitting requirement reduction skills you get for the Cloak Field on Scouts when 2 or more items that rely on these types of skills are added to the same fitting. Here's an example of this, I have AR Fitting Optimization 1 and NK Fitting Optimization at 2, PLC Fitting Optimization 3 with mk.0 and gk.0 Scouts. Apply an NK to my empty mk.0 scout and get 44/6, so far so good. I then can apply items to any part of my suit to fill it up and if you count the items fitting costs they all add up, just as they should. Now, when I apply my Duvolle AR to my fit I should only have to pay 12 PG to fit it instead of 13 yet, after managing my PG points I add up the numbers and I notice my AR took 13 PG instead of 12 and a similar issue happens when I add a cloak field to my suit. I Make another empty frame with my mk.0 scout but this time only fit an ARN-18 Cloak Field (11 PG with any Scout at Level 5), a Duvolle AR (12 PG with Fitting Opt. 1) and a set of Ishukone NK's (6 PG with Fitting Opt. 2). Doing some simple math I should have to end up using 29 PG to fit all of these yet, I end up using 30... I mess around with these 3 items, when only 1 of any of these is on the frame the numbers add up but when I add another one I seem to pay 1 PG more than I should and when I pair an Ishukone NK and Duvolle AR I pay 19 PG when I should only pay 18. I then add an advanced Cloak to the fit and get a 30 PG count (19 + 11 = 30 working as intended). When I applied any 2 of these 3 items to my fit the PG of the second item I added was added to the fit in full without accounting for the fitting reduction skills and the 3rd item was applied as it should be. I attempted this same pattern on a gk.0 scout and got the same results, the Allotek PLC (85 CPU with Fitting Opt. 3) whose Fitting Optimization skill reduces CPU rather than PG also seems to be affected by this issue but instead it seems to further reduce the amount of CPU it consumes rather than increase it example: Ishukone NK's (44 CPU) + Allotek PLC (85 CPU) should = 129 CPU and 6 PG... but it takes 128 CPU instead (PG remains at 6). Though small, this issue can hinder the creation of fits like it did to me this day. I'm sadly a bit short on time today and I can't try different things to see if this issue extends to other suits though i suspect it may also hinder the Logistics class thank's to their class bonus. If anyone who's specced into the logi class could verify this it would be appreciated. Thank's for reading o7 P.S. Sorry for no TL;DR I really think this should be read at your own pace until you get what I'm trying to say. so, the tldr here is the scales are broken?