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[Veteran_Spazzeh BHD]
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Posted - 2012.06.08 09:40:00 -
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I'm paying 12,000 isk per gun and gameplay in dust can't keep up to pay for supplies. |
[Veteran_Rasatsu]
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Posted - 2012.06.08 09:57:00 -
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Let's just say that I could buy and fit a million HAV's if there was a way to transfer ISK...
Balance much? |
[Veteran_Gene Dravon]
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Posted - 2012.06.08 09:59:00 -
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Well CCP will tell you to either die less or use less expensive gear. You can easily make 50,000-150,000 ISK a match, so as long as you're not blowing through those prototype guns too much, you should easily be able to pay for expenses. Either that or downgrade to a less expensive gun perhaps?
As for your initial question, I believe the official answer is "SOON (tm)" |
[Veteran_Hunter Cazaderon]
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Posted - 2012.06.08 10:21:00 -
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I don't think we'll ever be able to transfer directly ISK from an eve account to a dust account. And it's better this way.
I played 4 month of EVE and i have something like 300-400 Millions ISK. I could play Dust for more 2 years with my current fit ^^ |
[Veteran_Bobs Urunkle]
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Posted - 2012.06.08 10:36:00 -
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Hunter Cazaderon wrote:I don't think we'll ever be able to transfer directly ISK from an eve account to a dust account. And it's better this way...^^
Hopefully the only way you will get ISK in Dust is by earning it within Dust. Whilst it wouldn't be improbable for Corps to give their dust friends obscenely large contract payouts, at least they still have to earn the credits.
I think it would be a mistake though to simply allow players to transfer the money from their EVE account to their DUST account. They should remain seperate for the sake of balancing. |
[Veteran_St Savage]
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Posted - 2012.06.08 10:44:00 -
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If EVE to DUST ISK transfers are allowed there will need to be some method of protecting players who aren't part of successful Mercenary Corporations and/or owners of an EVE account from players who can afford to throw the highest tier of equipment away again and again, battle after battle.
I figure inflation would drive the prices of most of the best gear out of the price range of "casual" players, or those who don't want to participate in Corp battles.
It would be nice to see a better match finding system altogether, one that allows you to choose a variety of maps and select "tiers" of battle, some of which could have a maximum allowed gear level. Of course, like Hi-Sec and Low-Sec there should be a risk vs reward formula applied in the case of these NPC funded battles, like comparing L1 missions to L4. |
[Veteran_Orin Fenris]
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Posted - 2012.06.08 11:26:00 -
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I'd assume they will include it shortly after DUST is actually integrated into EVE, and we can actually put boots on the ground in nullsec/Sov space. I.E., when player owned contracts are introduced, i'm sure open ISK transfers will be as well.
It would be a smart business decision by that time. Not only would it drive some people to make EVE accounts, but if it is also possible to transfer funs from DUST to EVE, then you could in theory plex your EVE account just by playing a ton of DUST :P |
[Veteran_Rasatsu]
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Posted - 2012.06.08 11:32:00 -
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Orin Fenris wrote:I'd assume they will include it shortly after DUST is actually integrated into EVE, and we can actually put boots on the ground in nullsec/Sov space. I.E., when player owned contracts are introduced, i'm sure open ISK transfers will be as well.
The plan, as has been said in fanfest presentations, is to open up unidirectional flow of ISK from EVE to DUST using mercenary contracts. And later open up for tighter economic interconnectedness as the DUST economy stabilizes and comes into it's own. |
[Veteran_Iceyburnz]
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Posted - 2012.06.08 11:39:00 -
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Soon. |
[Veteran_Ahrotahntee]
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Posted - 2012.06.08 12:06:00 -
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Remember guys, when the market gets flooded with currency, the cost of things goes up.
We may very well be able to transfer ISK to our accounts in Dust, but those prototype guns that cost you 12k now might cost you 1.2 mil shortly after launch.
Or depending on the manufacturing end, it could all be immensely inexpensive, and eve-dust players could just have an infinite amount of money... |
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[Veteran_Jack McReady]
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Posted - 2012.06.08 13:06:00 -
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Gene Dravon wrote:Well CCP will tell you to either die less or use less expensive gear. You can easily make 50,000-150,000 ISK a match, so as long as you're not blowing through those prototype guns too much, you should easily be able to pay for expenses. Either that or downgrade to a less expensive gun perhaps?
As for your initial question, I believe the official answer is "SOON (tm)"
the payout is larger in the beta.
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[Veteran_Jinn Nakani]
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Posted - 2012.06.08 13:12:00 -
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EvE and Dust are supposed to be interactive. How is transferring ISK to a Dust character any different than using your established wealthy PvE toon in EvE to buy nice shiny ships for a PvP toon? |
[Veteran_Terram Nenokal]
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Posted - 2012.06.08 13:39:00 -
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While I realize it's just a trailer, and is in no way a reflection of price balance, there is a possibility that the prices we're playing with right now are greatly reduced. If that is the case, ISK transactions would be more feasible.
Prices going up in Dust would incentivize accepting player contracts for ISK gains more than NPC contracts, since the payouts will almost certainly be greater coming from an Eve player.
Just wanted to put that out there. It's hard to tell at this point with no real evidence of exactly how the games will be integrated. |
[Veteran_Toron Gonta]
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Posted - 2012.06.08 13:41:00 -
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The prices might go up but they can't go so high, that nobody pays them... and as long as you loose your equipment in every fight at least 1 time the prices should be ok. |
[Veteran_Matrix Owner]
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Posted - 2012.06.08 14:25:00 -
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I am in favour of ISK transfer.... Here's why.
In matches where it really matters (ie corp contracts), there will be many millions of ISK thrown at a match in tanks etc, far more than a normal dust player could hope to generate without hours upon hours of play. And when these players are not in a corp match they will not all have the time to grind up the ISK, as an EVE player if I want to give my corp mates ISK, so be it....
In terms of that effecting random matches, sorry life isn't fair..... There are other options too, get yourself into a corp yourself and use their funds, or Pay for AUR, or PVE your way into ISK.
Battles themself should be about losing ISK, not generating it, it's a battlefield not a grind or a themepark (sure it's fine in beta, as it encourages more rounds to be played, but it shouldn't be the main function for getting money) |
[Veteran_Bob Deorum]
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Posted - 2012.06.08 15:40:00 -
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hoping that you will never be able to do this, now transferring it through contracts cool, but just a straight char to char transfer should not be allowed |
[Veteran_Maul555]
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Posted - 2012.06.08 16:41:00 -
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So where is the button to deposit 500 million Isk into my dust character? I cant seem to find it... odd |
[Veteran_Nova Knife]
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Posted - 2012.06.08 16:44:00 -
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You'll be able to do this, but not at launch. They want to track and monitor all the market activity for a while before they flood it with trillions of ISK from eve. It helps them in their plan later for industry integration :) |
[Veteran_Tor Jeronim]
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:39:00 -
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Bobs Urunkle wrote:Hunter Cazaderon wrote:I don't think we'll ever be able to transfer directly ISK from an eve account to a dust account. And it's better this way...^^ Hopefully the only way you will get ISK in Dust is by earning it within Dust. Whilst it wouldn't be improbable for Corps to give their dust friends obscenely large contract payouts, at least they still have to earn the credits. I think it would be a mistake though to simply allow players to transfer the money from their EVE account to their DUST account. They should remain seperate for the sake of balancing.
You could easily game the corp payouts you have described in order to transfer ISK. Which means that if you include that functionality but not the direct ISK transfer then all you're doing is making it annoyingly hard to transfer ISK.
I don't share the same concerns about balance for two reasons:
1) We have no idea what the final economy in Dust will look like. For all we know, a fully kitted Dust merc with 10M skill points and good FPS skills might be able to make 100M on a single contract. Or more.
2) If you can make more money in EVE, then play some EVE. If your worried that the people who've played EVE for a few months or a year will have an advantage when Dust launches then start playing EVE now.
In the end, I do favor CCP holding off on the free flow of money and not doing it on day one. That would be too disruptive to both games. It has to happen eventually if this is truly going to be "One Universe / One War." |
[Veteran_Kaerill]
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:42:00 -
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balance out your fittings if its costing you too much to kill
shiny toys over gun game is horrible idea |
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[Veteran_Traynor Youngs]
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:46:00 -
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I think that in the end the economies need to be balanced so that the players who are able to make a lot of money are able to make about the same amount whether they play eve or dust.
As it is now, I could transfer a billion isk to dust and not notice it on Eve, and with the way the dust econ works, that would mean I would have effectively infinite money.
People will do it if it is possible, either by gaming the system or doing it legit, either way, money will go back and forth.
How they balance that should be to make sure playing eve and playing dust cost about the same.
If you lose your drop suit 10 times in a match, then it should cost about 1/10 of a ship of relative capability. So a beginner drop suit fully fitted should be about a 10th the cost of a fitted tech one frig in Eve.
This way the economies can intermingle without unbalancing either game.
If CCP is not designing with that in mind, then we are headed for disaster. |
[Veteran_lordjanus]
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:04:00 -
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as said on fanfest , the isk will flow free.. |
[Veteran_Gene Dravon]
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:09:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Gene Dravon wrote:Well CCP will tell you to either die less or use less expensive gear. You can easily make 50,000-150,000 ISK a match, so as long as you're not blowing through those prototype guns too much, you should easily be able to pay for expenses. Either that or downgrade to a less expensive gun perhaps?
As for your initial question, I believe the official answer is "SOON (tm)" the payout is larger in the beta.
Not what I heard. The x4 multiplier applies only to SP gain and not ISK gain. |
[Veteran_St Savage]
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Posted - 2012.06.09 02:50:00 -
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All I was saying earlier was that this game will never attract a large playerbase if whenever someone goes into an NPC match they get totally owned by players with the funds to annihilate them.
It doesn't affect me because I'll have access to the funds to do that, but when new players join and they can't generate any SP because they never kill anyone... They will walk away, and probably never look back.
This isn't like COD or BF3 where the difference between a player with lots of unlocks and one with none is fairly minor. In this game it seems like players with no gear will not be able to kill players with high SP and expensive fittings.
If that's the way the game will play out then attracting new players when every match they join is an abattoir for them will be a problem.
If you want a hardcore elitest game then I guess that's okay, but if you want a large playerbase these things need to be taken into account. |
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