DUST Search - What If DUST Had a Subscription Option?

Roger Cordill wrote:

DJINN Jecture wrote:

Marcus Stormfire wrote:

-Also CCP should be aware that they already jumped down a slope that may be very hard to climb back up when they made this game Free to play. Since now they may never be able to implement a required subscription cost without 90% of the community rage quitting.

-Marcus

You mean like when the masses biomassed because Project Legion was announced? Nah if people are invested and already paying around $20 a month the cost of a plex in my country unless you buy a pack of plex (PLEX = Pilot's 30 day License Extension) which are in game assets Eve uses to bring real life money into the game. Current PLEX prices for me. Paying a subscription makes a commitment to the game, shows a desire to play and takes the stakes up for CCP. More subs means more cash in their hands to do the necessary stuff like hiring good game designers, integration with EVE (watch as I am typing this some dev is probably looking over my shoulder going hey I bet we could do this by implementing Legion and adding in those suggestions on another topic about integration...good on you dev but it likely will require more devs).

FYI: PLEX can be bought and sold on the in-game market EVE side and put a cash value to all in-game assets based on what the current plex prices are vs isk sold for on the in-game market.

The way PLEX works is that it gives people who have time to spend in game the ability to pay for their game in game, while there is a subscription option as well (slightly cheaper than buying PLEX with cash) and gives the exact same benefits without being able to sell the game time.

This makes using the current EVE subscription options quite easy to play to play, or pay to play depending on your time commitment to game or ability to make isk.

You must not realize how much people actually care about this game.


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DJINN Jecture Templar of the Glowing Blade 388	Posted - 2015.06.02 03:57:00 - [1] - Quote Ideal sub model from my point of view: Pay a plex for a month of game time, Port Dust to PC, no more tears from Eve pilots, screw the play for free garbage as it seems to hinder integration within New Eden's universe and makes us look like freeloading console kiddies who don't support New Eden's upkeep cost (Capsuleer argument not mine) and can ask mommy and daddy for in game assets via their credit cards or psn cards and not having to actually work for anything (also a capsuleer point of view often spouted on the eve forums when integration is mentioned). *-ç +æ+Ä ß+¦ß¦+Gé¦ß+¡ !!!* *ß¦äß¦â-à*
DJINN Jecture Templar of the Glowing Blade 392	Posted - 2015.06.03 06:57:00 - [2] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: stuff like this is good. 1 more dropsuit fittings 2 free respecs 3 access to test content through other contracts 4 free AUR each month 5 permanent skill boosters? These sound good, but I would restrict the free respec to 1 per year to avoid Flavor of the month chasing. None of the benefits can have a direct effect on combat abilities while in a match. They should be perks of convenience, improved interfaces for Meta Game (outside match) aspects of the game, and AUR items such as Boosters. If Dust players who pay a subscription had access to the mail interface in EVE Gate, that would be worth a subscription for a lot of people, particularly CEO's and Corp Directors. A subscription should also include a permanent Passive, and Active booster as long as your subscription is active as well. I agree with this very much. But again, I don't think this is currently necessary unless CCP Rattati and his team feel that it's necessary for continued financial support towards improving Dust. I'd very much say that a subscription option should be just that, an option but so long as it is optional and provides good value (i.e. the money input is of equal or greater weight than the rough AUR value output) then it is just another player choice on the table which I am all for. Of course it would have to be a possible net gain for the game as well, and we certainly don't want a new option that comes with a pay to win price tag, I think those are givens, but so long as the quality of the optional method is sound I don't see why there would need to be a threshold of necessity before adding this option for players could be considered. 0.02 ISK As a CPM do you not support integration into the New Eden Universe rather than being a kid sister in New Eden being a Partner in the Universe that actually can have an impact? If you do then how would you respond the the accusations on the Eve forums I have mentioned in my above post? *-ç +æ+Ä ß+¦ß¦+Gé¦ß+¡ !!!* *ß¦äß¦â-à*
DJINN Jecture Templar of the Glowing Blade 392	Posted - 2015.06.03 07:20:00 - [3] - Quote Lady MDK wrote: The issue with a free to play/ subscriber option is you always end up with a 2 class system as there must be a reason to subscribe. I've noticed this as well in several of the games I play vs my Eve and Dust experiences. Having two classes of players doesn't make the game more enjoyable and punishes those not willing to spend cash on the game or CareBear play to make the isk to buy the sub through in game funds. Free-to-play has been ok this far but I think the time has passed for the F2P model in this game. It hasn't led to more funding allowed for better programing or even better gameplay elements* but rather it has just kept the lights on in Shanghai. Paying a subscription is the only way this game is going to reach it's full potential. Not only that but it makes everyone in New Eden invest the same amount each month per account, ridding us of arguments against integration by many capsuleers. Based on playing both games over the same time frame and getting better controls, more gameplay aspects, a developing storyline and new NPCs and Ships as well as Skins etc to work with to grow our characters and wallets as well as new PVP metas on a regular basis with various balancing aspects, ships, modules and even new structures to use as well as new areas to explore that were previously not accessible or even in game. Disclaimer...No I haven't actually looked at the numbers but maybe one of our esteemed CPMs in here can access that information Disclaimer...Yes I have seen progress, but in comparison Eve has grown immeasurably better in comparison to Dust over the same time being used to develop the game on the same release schedule -ç +æ+Ä ß+¦ß¦+Gé¦ß+¡ !!!* *ß¦äß¦â-à*
DJINN Jecture Templar of the Glowing Blade 392	Posted - 2015.06.03 15:28:00 - [4] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: It's not limited to a dust player sharing isk between his own eve accounts though. As long as he's a subscription holder, he can engage in isk transactions with ANY eve player. This means he can pay isk to pilots for that provide orbital support. It means eve players in FW can supply their sides troops with the ISK to keep fighting. It means PC corps could hire pilots to their aid. Isn't that something people would be willing to pay for? Doesn't it also strengthen the eve-dust link? Likely it is possible that someone may be willing to pay for some Dust side help but they are going to want the best people there not just a bunch of guys who think team killing is fun running around. If you are looking to only strengthen the link of Faction Warfare then the idea is doomed to failure. Not to mention these people who are running FW regular nowadays are using the LP they gain to buy suits and gear, seems to me they don't need payment from capsuleers, they are being paid already. *-ç +æ+Ä ß+¦ß¦+Gé¦ß+¡ !!!* *ß¦äß¦â-à*
DJINN Jecture Templar of the Glowing Blade 392	Posted - 2015.06.03 16:00:00 - [5] - Quote Marcus Stormfire wrote: -Also CCP should be aware that they already jumped down a slope that may be very hard to climb back up when they made this game Free to play. Since now they may never be able to implement a required subscription cost without 90% of the community rage quitting. -Marcus You mean like when the masses biomassed because Project Legion was announced? Nah if people are invested and already paying around $20 a month the cost of a plex in my country unless you buy a pack of plex (PLEX = Pilot's 30 day License Extension) which are in game assets Eve uses to bring real life money into the game. Current PLEX prices for me. Paying a subscription makes a commitment to the game, shows a desire to play and takes the stakes up for CCP. More subs means more cash in their hands to do the necessary stuff like hiring good game designers, integration with EVE (watch as I am typing this some dev is probably looking over my shoulder going hey I bet we could do this by implementing Legion and adding in those suggestions on another topic about integration...good on you dev but it likely will require more devs). FYI: PLEX can be bought and sold on the in-game market EVE side and put a cash value to all in-game assets based on what the current plex prices are vs isk sold for on the in-game market. The way PLEX works is that it gives people who have time to spend in game the ability to pay for their game in game, while there is a subscription option as well (slightly cheaper than buying PLEX with cash) and gives the exact same benefits without being able to sell the game time. This makes using the current EVE subscription options quite easy to play to play, or pay to play depending on your time commitment to game or ability to make isk. *-ç +æ+Ä ß+¦ß¦+Gé¦ß+¡ !!!* *ß¦äß¦â-à*
DJINN Jecture Templar of the Glowing Blade 392	Posted - 2015.06.03 17:17:00 - [6] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: DJINN Jecture wrote: Marcus Stormfire wrote: -Also CCP should be aware that they already jumped down a slope that may be very hard to climb back up when they made this game Free to play. Since now they may never be able to implement a required subscription cost without 90% of the community rage quitting. -Marcus You mean like when the masses biomassed because Project Legion was announced? Nah if people are invested and already paying around $20 a month the cost of a plex in my country unless you buy a pack of plex (PLEX = Pilot's 30 day License Extension) which are in game assets Eve uses to bring real life money into the game. Current PLEX prices for me. Paying a subscription makes a commitment to the game, shows a desire to play and takes the stakes up for CCP. More subs means more cash in their hands to do the necessary stuff like hiring good game designers, integration with EVE (watch as I am typing this some dev is probably looking over my shoulder going hey I bet we could do this by implementing Legion and adding in those suggestions on another topic about integration...good on you dev but it likely will require more devs). FYI: PLEX can be bought and sold on the in-game market EVE side and put a cash value to all in-game assets based on what the current plex prices are vs isk sold for on the in-game market. The way PLEX works is that it gives people who have time to spend in game the ability to pay for their game in game, while there is a subscription option as well (slightly cheaper than buying PLEX with cash) and gives the exact same benefits without being able to sell the game time. This makes using the current EVE subscription options quite easy to play to play, or pay to play depending on your time commitment to game or ability to make isk. You must not realize how much people actually care about this game. IDK, I have been playing since Closed Beta, I like to believe I have a good understanding about what people have felt in the past about this game and I like to believe I have some idea about how much I care about this game. This is why when I say a PLEX for subbing a game is not that big of a deal I think there are many who would agree. Especially if that elevates our commitment to CCP Games in the Capsuleers eyes and give some incentive for Devs to be hired to make connections between the games. If you want to chat with me in game about issues you care about please do not hesitate to send me an in game mail, I will likely respond to it *-ç +æ+Ä ß+¦ß¦+Gé¦ß+¡ !!!* *ß¦äß¦â-à*
DJINN Jecture Templar of the Glowing Blade 398	Posted - 2015.06.04 22:25:00 - [7] - Quote RedBleach LeSanglant wrote: A subscription for those player that would elect to have one would be alright by me - i just hate actively managing them. Count me in. I would like to have levels of subscription since my time to play is limited - i'm a pay and play individual. Never could use Aur gear, but BPO's are my thing for sure. Skins are getting expensive too. I'm spending the money anyway, might as well get some extra benefits from it. From my time spent running in the same circles you have, with many of the same squad mates and being involved for a time with your corp I know that its made up of a group of dedicated dusters and eve pilots. Would the plex/sub option be something that you could see yourself supporting? The plex option would be an easier sell if we had PVE to do rather than just PVP so that there would be an ability to just grind isk out rather than a BPO meat-grinder for isk? Or even item transfer from Dust to Eve and vice versa? How about if your Dust account were linked to your Eve account? So your Pilot and Merc were on the same account and it would just be a simple matter of choosing which toon to log in with to decide what you wanted to do (One Client to Rule Them All)? *-ç +æ+Ä ß+¦ß¦+Gé¦ß+¡ !!!* *ß¦äß¦â-à*