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Zan Azikuchi
G.R.A.V.E
The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2015.05.28 19:41:00 -
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The idea's good, but that doesn't change the blaring (blairing?) fact that the RR like the magsec has way too much ammo for a railgun based weapon, I mean the sniper rifle, bolt pistol, and even the railgun turrets, all have very few ammo capacities, maybe when adding the idea of your's would justify a DPS increase, the ammo capacity should be very limited, similar to the breach AR (which is another gun that makes no sense it should have at least a 700 ROF with 45, 47.5 and 50 DPS with at least 35 rounds).
(EDIT: Yeah ignore the breach AR a little, the guns bothersome for me as it is, but the gun should still not be so slow, or have so few bullets or such a high base damage).
Suggested railgun weapon capacities listed below;
Rail Rifle: 28 (with a DPS increase, with a ROF of say 550-570 you wouldnt have to give a major DPS increase, while having us CAL assault players rely more on the reloading skill than we normally would) I also suggest a caldari reload speed buff so we can reload quickly.
Assault Rail Rifle:32 (by reducing charge time to be similar to the militia assault rail rifle DPS wont see a huge rise but should still have a likely killing rate, added with a ROF increase to 650 DPS increase should possibly be minimal)
Magsec SMG: 36 (if ROF remains the same, DPS increase may be large, maybe increase headshot damage to reduce the necessary base damage compensation, since headshotting with the magsec is particuarly hard (at least I find it hard)
Now i've been meaning to post my feelings on the RR and magsec smg, but im pretty lazy so, it just never happened, let me know your thoughts on this.
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Zan Azikuchi
G.R.A.V.E
The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2015.05.29 02:17:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Zan Azikuchi wrote:The idea's good, but that doesn't change the blaring (blairing?) fact that the RR like the magsec has way too much ammo for a railgun based weapon, I mean the sniper rifle, bolt pistol, and even the railgun turrets, all have very few ammo capacities, maybe when adding the idea of your's would justify a DPS increase, the ammo capacity should be very limited, similar to the breach AR (which is another gun that makes no sense it should have at least a 700 ROF with 45, 47.5 and 50 DPS with at least 35 rounds).
(EDIT: Yeah ignore the breach AR a little, the guns bothersome for me as it is, but the gun should still not be so slow, or have so few bullets or such a high base damage).
Suggested railgun weapon capacities listed below;
Rail Rifle: 28 (with a DPS increase, with a ROF of say 550-570 you wouldnt have to give a major DPS increase, while having us CAL assault players rely more on the reloading skill than we normally would) I also suggest a caldari reload speed buff so we can reload quickly.
Assault Rail Rifle:32 (by reducing charge time to be similar to the militia assault rail rifle DPS wont see a huge rise but should still have a likely killing rate, added with a ROF increase to 650 DPS increase should possibly be minimal)
Magsec SMG: 36 (if ROF remains the same, DPS increase may be large, maybe increase headshot damage to reduce the necessary base damage compensation, since headshotting with the magsec is particuarly hard (at least I find it hard)
Now i've been meaning to post my feelings on the RR and magsec smg, but im pretty lazy so, it just never happened, let me know your thoughts on this.
Second edit: Now that I think about it, you could just increase headshot damage across the board amongst all railgun weapon's you wouldn't even need to increase DPS all that much, if at all if its high enough, then it becomes a real skill weapon, and not just some gun that's easy to use. I'm not sure that's actually the case- it seems all weapons with small mags have barely any ammo in them, with the exception being forge guns.
No, railguns would/should have high base damage, or high damage potential (headshots) which would make up for low ammo capacity, just look at the breach AR, if your good enough, you can take down multiple targets, add that with an extremely high reload speed and low capacity weapons become viable.
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Zan Azikuchi
G.R.A.V.E
The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2015.05.29 06:41:00 -
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Obodiah Garro wrote:rail rifles are at a bad place atm, out damaged at range, worthless close up. They need a base dmg buff so we can pretend they do what they are meant too, ie good LR weapons but meh I think they just dead now  Maybe if had better optinals or something they wouldnt look useless vs the OP ScR, or have a stable place like the AR or just good at everything like the CR but right now they just a shakey pile of ****.
Well lets keep brainstorming, maybe a dev or CPM will take notice
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Zan Azikuchi
G.R.A.V.E
The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2015.05.29 14:46:00 -
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Oswald Rehnquist wrote:DeathwindRising wrote:Oswald Rehnquist wrote:If we are looking to "make it like eve", then having it function as a semi automatic weapon would make the most sense as suggested by several people. When the RR first came out people were expecting it to be semi auto.
The predominate theme of rail weapons is the charge up time without being able to hold the charge, which supports semi automatic game play rather than fully automatic gameplay as the recoil and charge up doesn't hurt the format as much. Fully automatic with a charge up makes the traditional fluttering of the trigger counterproductive, which is usually critical in range battles with cover.
Not sure if you guys would find a semi automatic rifle useful or not, you guys would know more than me on this one, but it would differentiate itself from the assault version more. Depends. ScR is semi auto already. And anything we do should be future proof. But the dual mode RR sounds interesting. My concern is that should we eventually get a tactical rail rifle, how would it function in comparison? How would the assault rail rifle differ? Imagine the dual mode rail rifle as the base variant. Semi auto fire without a need to charge up between shots? And full auto mode that can be activated by holding the fire button, that would require the current charge up mechanic? Do we add a headshot multiplier? For both semi and full auto modes? Or only one mode? How much of a multiplier? I think advocating a semi auto and full auto in one rifle would not be well received within the community at large (I also be part of that group). Reasons why, I don't think its even possible with the coding, as there is a caveat in the weapon coding which classifies it as semi auto or full auto. So not only is it beyond the reach of the dev team but it would be harder to balance stats with flexibility. The simpler you can get the concept the less people can trash it. Numbers are a lot simpler to balance than flexibility.
I still sit by my earlier RR balancing post (page 1), and making it semi out without charge would make people abuse its ability cause why fire at full damage when you can fire at a much greater rate of fire in its semi auto form? You could also make it much better in caldari hands by changing the cal aslt reload skill, to a charge spool reduction rate (0.06 per level), something that would allow the assault rail rifle to be used without having to worry about its charge time, and maybe bring the standard RR up to .75 spooling time so that its best in Caldari hands, just my two cents...
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Zan Azikuchi
G.R.A.V.E
The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2015.05.29 18:03:00 -
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Semi auto is best saved for the tactical rail rifle, i'd rather not experiment with changing a weapons absolute functionality, besides given the fact that the charge sniper rifle has high alpha headshot damage, safe to say logically that the TRR (tm soon) would be a true marksman's weapon, that in mind, we should continue to find rebalancing's instead of thinking up new functionalities. (Though I do admit it was an interesting statement considering I never played EVE, Low DPS + high headshot value does sound like a very good way to balance it out, when we have better hit detection that is, I already got skewed by some rook in a basic suit cause of it, and I was wearing my cal aslt with a KRR (she wasn't even tanking shields or armor).
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Zan Azikuchi
G.R.A.V.E
The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2015.05.29 19:11:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Zan Azikuchi wrote:Oswald Rehnquist wrote:DeathwindRising wrote:Oswald Rehnquist wrote:If we are looking to "make it like eve", then having it function as a semi automatic weapon would make the most sense as suggested by several people. When the RR first came out people were expecting it to be semi auto.
The predominate theme of rail weapons is the charge up time without being able to hold the charge, which supports semi automatic game play rather than fully automatic gameplay as the recoil and charge up doesn't hurt the format as much. Fully automatic with a charge up makes the traditional fluttering of the trigger counterproductive, which is usually critical in range battles with cover.
Not sure if you guys would find a semi automatic rifle useful or not, you guys would know more than me on this one, but it would differentiate itself from the assault version more. Depends. ScR is semi auto already. And anything we do should be future proof. But the dual mode RR sounds interesting. My concern is that should we eventually get a tactical rail rifle, how would it function in comparison? How would the assault rail rifle differ? Imagine the dual mode rail rifle as the base variant. Semi auto fire without a need to charge up between shots? And full auto mode that can be activated by holding the fire button, that would require the current charge up mechanic? Do we add a headshot multiplier? For both semi and full auto modes? Or only one mode? How much of a multiplier? I think advocating a semi auto and full auto in one rifle would not be well received within the community at large (I also be part of that group). Reasons why, I don't think its even possible with the coding, as there is a caveat in the weapon coding which classifies it as semi auto or full auto. So not only is it beyond the reach of the dev team but it would be harder to balance stats with flexibility. The simpler you can get the concept the less people can trash it. Numbers are a lot simpler to balance than flexibility. I still sit by my earlier RR balancing post (page 1), and making it semi out without charge would make people abuse its ability cause why fire at full damage when you can fire at a much greater rate of fire in its semi auto form? You could also make it much better in caldari hands by changing the cal aslt reload skill, to a charge spool reduction rate (0.06 per level), something that would allow the assault rail rifle to be used without having to worry about its charge time, and maybe bring the standard RR up to .75 spooling time so that its best in Caldari hands, just my two cents... I've always thought that as well. Would make more sense than a reload speed bonus, which commandos already get.
Would fit just as well on a commando, the 10% damage increase is kind of worthless...
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Zan Azikuchi
G.R.A.V.E
The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2015.05.29 19:33:00 -
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It is, if it was 15% (3 per level) that would put commando's in a good place, it would help them MUCH better since their called COMMANDO (like seriously, we might as well be wearing pants with no underwear with how weak many commando's are).
Also let's not derail ourselves from the RR conversation!
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Zan Azikuchi
G.R.A.V.E
The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2015.05.29 19:56:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Zan Azikuchi wrote:It is, if it was 15% (3 per level) that would put commando's in a good place, it would help them MUCH better since their called COMMANDO (like seriously, we might as well be wearing pants with no underwear with how weak many commando's are).
Also let's not derail ourselves from the RR conversation! Funny thing is, the term commando basically means special forces, which doesn't apply to a commando suit whatsoever. A 15% damage boot would be OP as hell, because that's still more than you can get stacking nothing but damage mods on a caldari assault. But, back on topic, I wonder how many players would rather use the current rail rifles, and why. They seem pretty stupid to me.
(On the off topic note, it wouldn't really be OP with only 3 highs and 1 low, currently you can get 25% from the damage mod and suit ability, + 10 from profile and 15 from proficiency is another 25, making it 50% (when there aren't any shield's, a 15% bonus would only be making it 30% straight up damage, 31 with krins lex, and get the profile and proficency which is still 25, so it'd be 55% more damage to use, HOWEVER a caldari stacking damage mods properly can get 49% and stack more armor than a cal mando or unlike the cal mando, stack profile dampeners to hide while sniping, that is 12% from 3 krin lex's and 12% from a complex and enhanced light damage mod, which make cal mando COMPLETELY redundant).
Current rail rifle is still 25% in damage profile and prof, it has high range killing players at 70+ meters and greater (provided you stack damage mods) and overall its easy to use with its moderate alpha damage, (that can easily be beaten by a breach AR at 30meters). But yeah most common cause of the RR being trash, is the fact that hit detection is just so bad, I mean I can go 30+ with it but that's only because of hit detection actually counting or maybe my enemies running in a straight line to or away from me.
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Zan Azikuchi
G.R.A.V.E
The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2015.05.30 18:27:00 -
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