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The Attorney General 2	Posted - 2015.05.27 02:55:00 - [31] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: The Attorney General wrote: Also, as an announcement, if these skins become tradeable, I will farm FW just to drive the prices down so that Aero can suck on the egg of economic theory. 50 mill starting point. Go for it! Make LP skins absolutely pointless if that is your goal, this is New Eden so do what you want. Until then I'm going to advise against it. Carry on. How would the skin be pointless if I only sell it for less than you? It would still function exactly the same, so unless they are worthless now(which I think they are), there is no change in their value. One could make an argument that because I would distribute them at a far more reasonable price, there would be more buyers, and more skins out in the wild, which would in my opinion increase their value. A skin that you only see once in a blue moon and is priced out of affordability because of grandiose dreams of importance and misjudged time/value considerations is what is actually worthless. Look at the unique ships in eve. The last Imperial Geddon, the Raven State Issue, the Stratii Emergencies, etc. are all fundamentally worthless because you can't realistically undock them. You could make a case for the SER to be usable, Big Lynx did get on a KM with his, but mostly they are just hangar ornaments, and as such, their actual value in game is nil. Are they worth the trillion ISK being asked for them? Of course not, and their current holders will enjoy their decorations until someone has enough ISK to literally waste of something for ship spinning. They might as well not even be in the game anymore. Besides, in New Eden, every faction good can be acquired easily and relatively cheaply, keeping that trend going is in the interest of all players. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
The Attorney General 2	Posted - 2015.05.27 02:58:00 - [32] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: I can't get into a battle. I've been trying for 10 hours now. There is your problem right there. In my part of the world it is summer, if it is for you as well, GO THE FCK OUTSIDE. If you are in a Southern Hemisphere winter, GO THE FCK OUTSIDE. If you have spent literally 10 hours trying to get in a game, stop everything you are doing, unplug your computer and PS3, and go get some air, you clearly need it. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 1	Posted - 2015.05.27 03:04:00 - [33] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: I can't get into a battle. I've been trying for 10 hours now. There is your problem right there. In my part of the world it is summer, if it is for you as well, GO THE FCK OUTSIDE. If you are in a Southern Hemisphere winter, GO THE FCK OUTSIDE. If you have spent literally 10 hours trying to get in a game, stop everything you are doing, unplug your computer and PS3, and go get some air, you clearly need it. I run a LLC out of my home office. I play DUST to break up the stress. Don't fuggin' lecture me on how I spend my time, **** ant. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
Booby Tuesdays Bad Mother Thukkers 1	Posted - 2015.05.27 03:19:00 - [34] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: The Attorney General wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: I can't get into a battle. I've been trying for 10 hours now. There is your problem right there. In my part of the world it is summer, if it is for you as well, GO THE FCK OUTSIDE. If you are in a Southern Hemisphere winter, GO THE FCK OUTSIDE. If you have spent literally 10 hours trying to get in a game, stop everything you are doing, unplug your computer and PS3, and go get some air, you clearly need it. I run a LLC out of my home office. I play DUST to break up the stress. Don't fuggin' lecture me on how I spend my time, **** ant. Someone clearly needs a hoe. Half Assed Forum Warrior - Half Decent Commando - Damn Good Logi - Matari Freedom Fighter lvl 8
Second Cerberus Tested In Production 206	Posted - 2015.05.27 03:25:00 - [35] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Second Cerberus wrote: I second this, beta BPOs should also not be tradeable. If you wanted one you should have been loyal and signed up for eve and a key or paid for the merc pack to get access in the beta. Also, all aur gear should not be tradeable including boosters. If you wanted one you should have been loyal and spent RL money. Additionally no Warbarge components or experimental weapons should be tradeable. If you want those you should be loyal and login daily. TLDR: no trading should be allowed because loyalty. Your sarcastic arguments are bad and you should feel bad Dang, I thought it was 50/50 you'd miss the sarcasm and like my post. Were you also against free daily AUR for the poor chaps and unlocking trading at level 2? No mercy for those unloyal newbs! "I don't always test my code, but when I do, I do it in production." - *CCP*
Squagga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 651	Posted - 2015.05.27 03:29:00 - [36] - Quote I would be more for this idea, if the skins were directly reflecting the races they were representing. Right now, it's one camo pattern, for every race. If there's something to be scarce, why not have it be Caldari colors, and you can't get it any other way, than fighting for Caldari Fac War? Obviously the same applies for Min, Amm, and even those Gallente Shields, the silent killer.
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback 5	Posted - 2015.05.27 03:40:00 - [37] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: Why is the lead dev on the forums when the game isn't deploying players into battle? If Rat could help 1% isn't that time better spent? Fug I get frustrated with the culture of CCP. Double FACEPALM Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 10	Posted - 2015.05.27 03:46:00 - [38] - Quote Is he still talking? Sgt Kirk's Gallente Propaganda Youtube Channel
thor424 Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 324	Posted - 2015.05.27 03:50:00 - [39] - Quote Making the Loyalty suits trade-able is probably the one thing that really makes faction warfare a huge success. I understand the loyal to their faction kind of guys, I think it's great. But the sooner that those suits are trade-able the sooner people will be buying faction boosters like crazy. Put a queue sync together and just roll over people. Something like this would have groups like Negative-Feedback coordinating boosters and pushing a faction until they've earned enough for a few suits each and then move on. You've got people that are loyal to their faction and would have a lot more potential to put real, organized PC worthy teams together with such incentives to offer potential members. You'd have to think other people would realize the potential. I've always thought FW was the area where CCP could really cash in. If enough groups got going on this you'd have potential for fireworks in PC as well. There's a lot of stuff happening at the moment with suits as well as another currency coming. There are a lot of people that get really sensitive about the economy. That said I think it's time to offer the chance at riches and the chance to just throw down whenever and wherever in the shiniest stuff you've got. Even if it's not that, the game needs a spark. People need to stop hoarding and hiding and throw down. Thor's Emporium
GRIM GEAR Nos Nothi 481	Posted - 2015.05.27 03:51:00 - [40] - Quote I don't think that playing dust 514 is a good way to relieve stress. Back to the topic; If someone has the isk to pay for a marine skin then the marine skin is what they shall get. Cup of tea anyone? I came here to mingle can you hear that jingle that would be me lingle.

thor424 Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 324	Posted - 2015.05.27 03:52:00 - [41] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: I can't get into a battle. I've been trying for 10 hours now. There is your problem right there. In my part of the world it is summer, if it is for you as well, GO THE FCK OUTSIDE. If you are in a Southern Hemisphere winter, GO THE FCK OUTSIDE. If you have spent literally 10 hours trying to get in a game, stop everything you are doing, unplug your computer and PS3, and go get some air, you clearly need it. While perhaps true, you are posting on a video game forum. Just for some perspective. Thor's Emporium
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.05.27 03:53:00 - [42] - Quote Squagga wrote: I would be more for this idea, if the skins were directly reflecting the races they were representing. Right now, it's one camo pattern, for every race. If there's something to be scarce, why not have it be Caldari colors, and you can't get it any other way, than fighting for Caldari Fac War? Obviously the same applies for Min, Amm, and even those Gallente The Caldari Navy DO USE a Digital Navy Blue on Regal Blue! The Imperial Navy DO USE a Matte White with Chaos Black highlights! The Republic Navy DO USE Catachan Green, Drab Browns, and Orange/Tan colour schemes! The Federal Navy DO USE Solid Dark Angels Green to complement a form of Bicolour jungle camo! "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
Squagga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 651	Posted - 2015.05.27 03:57:00 - [43] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Squagga wrote: I would be more for this idea, if the skins were directly reflecting the races they were representing. Right now, it's one camo pattern, for every race. If there's something to be scarce, why not have it be Caldari colors, and you can't get it any other way, than fighting for Caldari Fac War? Obviously the same applies for Min, Amm, and even those Gallente The Caldari Navy DO USE a Digital Navy Blue on Regal Blue! The Imperial Navy DO USE a Matte White with Chaos Black highlights! The Republic Navy DO USE Catachan Green, Drab Browns, and Orange/Tan colour schemes! The Federal Navy DO USE Solid Dark Angels Green to complement a form of Bicolour jungle camo! I ... Retract my previous statement? Sorry I didn't know there were so subtle differences. I guess I was hoping initially that there would be much more radical differences, between the racial variants. Thanks for letting me know that there is a difference Shields, the silent killer.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.05.27 04:04:00 - [44] - Quote Squagga wrote: True Adamance wrote: Squagga wrote: I would be more for this idea, if the skins were directly reflecting the races they were representing. Right now, it's one camo pattern, for every race. If there's something to be scarce, why not have it be Caldari colors, and you can't get it any other way, than fighting for Caldari Fac War? Obviously the same applies for Min, Amm, and even those Gallente The Caldari Navy DO USE a Digital Navy Blue on Regal Blue! The Imperial Navy DO USE a Matte White with Chaos Black highlights! The Republic Navy DO USE Catachan Green, Drab Browns, and Orange/Tan colour schemes! The Federal Navy DO USE Solid Dark Angels Green to complement a form of Bicolour jungle camo! I ... Retract my previous statement? Sorry I didn't know there were so subtle differences. I guess I was hoping initially that there would be much more radical differences, between the racial variants. Thanks for letting me know that there is a difference What do you mean? Each Navies colour schemes are ******* noticeably different and the Marine SKINS are designed to represent and follow those colour schemes. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
7th Son 7 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.05.27 04:04:00 - [45] - Quote I want it known that having Rattati touching base with the forums today will be the reason I even play Dust again anytime soon. I started my first character back in 2013 and after all this time and issues CCP has had only god knows why i'm still here. Swear it feels like CCP's been cursed sometimes with so much bad luck. Anyway thanks Rattati for being tough enough to subject yourself to angry players today when I know it would have probably been easier not to. Only your complete and total awareness is needed, nothing else will do. ----- OSHO
Squagga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 651	Posted - 2015.05.27 06:06:00 - [46] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Squagga wrote: True Adamance wrote: Squagga wrote: I would be more for this idea, if the skins were directly reflecting the races they were representing. Right now, it's one camo pattern, for every race. If there's something to be scarce, why not have it be Caldari colors, and you can't get it any other way, than fighting for Caldari Fac War? Obviously the same applies for Min, Amm, and even those Gallente The Caldari Navy DO USE a Digital Navy Blue on Regal Blue! The Imperial Navy DO USE a Matte White with Chaos Black highlights! The Republic Navy DO USE Catachan Green, Drab Browns, and Orange/Tan colour schemes! The Federal Navy DO USE Solid Dark Angels Green to complement a form of Bicolour jungle camo! I ... Retract my previous statement? Sorry I didn't know there were so subtle differences. I guess I was hoping initially that there would be much more radical differences, between the racial variants. Thanks for letting me know that there is a difference What do you mean? Each Navies colour schemes are ******* noticeably different and the Marine SKINS are designed to represent and follow those colour schemes. Meh. I guess I wanted something a bit more louder, and more personal than shades of tope. So sorry you don't like that! Shields, the silent killer.
The Attorney General 2	Posted - 2015.05.27 06:10:00 - [47] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: The Attorney General wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: I can't get into a battle. I've been trying for 10 hours now. There is your problem right there. In my part of the world it is summer, if it is for you as well, GO THE FCK OUTSIDE. If you are in a Southern Hemisphere winter, GO THE FCK OUTSIDE. If you have spent literally 10 hours trying to get in a game, stop everything you are doing, unplug your computer and PS3, and go get some air, you clearly need it. I run a LLC out of my home office. I play DUST to break up the stress. Don't fuggin' lecture me on how I spend my time, **** ant. Clearly it isn't working if you lash out like that. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
castba Rogue Instincts New Eden's Heros 915	Posted - 2015.05.27 06:53:00 - [48] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: They will stay untradable for now, I agree with the sentiment, but I also think that it goes a little against the New Eden spirit. There are other items that will become tradable, earlier for sure. As someone who would really, really love an AM-H marine skin but does not have the time to play much (any) FW due to family/work/business/babies/etc, I think they should be non-tradeable items also. In the spirit of "old school" gaming and the CCP mantra of "HTFU", make players WORK for them. Let these marine skins be a true statement of dedication and effort. Please. "When everything is OP, nothing is" - CCP Ratatti
xp3ll3d dust The Southern Legion 228	Posted - 2015.05.27 08:01:00 - [49] - Quote I think I'm going to be the first one to vote against this. I think they SHOULD be tradeable, especially if we're talking about the "New Eden spirit". In EVE, you need to grind LP to buy things from the LP store, that people then sell in Jita. Making EVERYTHING tradeable and not hidden behind an artificial barrier IS the true "New Eden spirit". CPM1 Candidate > A richer Dust app ecosystem means more player engagement!
Duke Noobiam Incorruptibles 467	Posted - 2015.05.27 11:30:00 - [50] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: Why is the lead dev on the forums when the game isn't deploying players into battle? If Rat could help 1% isn't that time better spent? Fug I get frustrated with the culture of CCP. Because he's the lead and likely assigned the resource(s) best suited to fix this issue to look into it.

Duke Noobiam Incorruptibles 467	Posted - 2015.05.27 11:45:00 - [51] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Currently Marine Loyalty SKINs are the only unique collectable with no cheap instant way to achieve it. You can't buy it with Aurum like everything else and you cannot find it in a strongbox. The only way you can get it is by earning it in FW. Because of this, it becomes special and worth the high LP cost. If you make it tradeable, that is instantly killed. Keeping Marine SKINs nontradeable will uphold their status as a true symbol of loyalty, their intended purpose. For those wishing to convert their masses of LP into sweet sweet ISK, there are still viable outlets such as APEX suits, Specialist weapons, and equipment better than proto. I agree with this. Loyalty items should be earned, not bought second hand. I think the strong box skins should be tradable asap. I got a serpentine skin for Galente medium frames which I have no intentions of skilling into.
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy No Context 4	Posted - 2015.05.27 12:58:00 - [52] - Quote There's a lot of people WNO think they're in charge and that they're sooooooo smart, and a lot of stupid, usually in the same people (go figure). Oh, and one more thing Sniper Rifles are for Nitrogenous Dioxide Borons First to PM me with common name wins (no Hyansaru, u win too much ;P)
thor424 Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 325	Posted - 2015.05.27 13:20:00 - [53] - Quote Duke Noobiam wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Currently Marine Loyalty SKINs are the only unique collectable with no cheap instant way to achieve it. You can't buy it with Aurum like everything else and you cannot find it in a strongbox. The only way you can get it is by earning it in FW. Because of this, it becomes special and worth the high LP cost. If you make it tradeable, that is instantly killed. Keeping Marine SKINs nontradeable will uphold their status as a true symbol of loyalty, their intended purpose. For those wishing to convert their masses of LP into sweet sweet ISK, there are still viable outlets such as APEX suits, Specialist weapons, and equipment better than proto. I agree with this. Loyalty items should be earned, not bought second hand. I think the strong box skins should be tradable asap. I got a serpentine skin for Galente medium frames which I have no intentions of skilling into. Dude, this is Thor Odinson42. Shoot me a message. I want that skin. Thor's Emporium
Heracles Porsche Capital Acquisitions LLC 348	Posted - 2015.05.27 14:46:00 - [54] - Quote These Items should be tradeable. Obviously I have a biased view since I am eager to sell off my minmatar skin I just grinded out. But I don't think hampering FW players options makes sense. The pool of players who can grind out large amount of LP is relativeley small, so the number of these items ending up on the market will probably be fairly small as well, I doubt their significance will end up diluted as a result of them becoming tradeable. Videos Erry Day https://www.youtube.com/c/HeraclesPorsche
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10	Posted - 2015.05.27 14:46:00 - [55] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: Why is the lead dev on the forums when the game isn't deploying players into battle? If Rat could help 1% isn't that time better spent? Fug I get frustrated with the culture of CCP. Double FACEPALM I might be crazy but at least I'm not Eruditus 920 crazy. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11	Posted - 2015.05.27 18:05:00 - [56] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: Why is the lead dev on the forums when the game isn't deploying players into battle? If Rat could help 1% isn't that time better spent? Fug I get frustrated with the culture of CCP. Yeah, let's do the things that this guy says! You know what Rattati? I am sick of your vain attempts at trying to be "one of the guys". I can't get into a battle. I've been trying for 10 hours now. I don't give a frick about your quips. When the game isn't working and you are yucking it up on the forums, it looks like shiite. "What this guy says". This is why we can't have ~~nice things~~ open developer discussion I have no respect for sycophants. There is a time for discussion and a time for doing your goddamn job. And CCP Rattati's job includes coming to the forums looking for our feedback WHICH HE JUST DID IN THIS THREAD. But I guess devs being deeply involved with the community that is behind their game is such an alien concept for you. Either that or you need one of two things: 1. Someone to help you pull that Rebar out of your butt hole. or 2. You need time off and go to a strip joint. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11	Posted - 2015.05.27 18:14:00 - [57] - Quote I will have to agree with the folks who are against restricting any trade with Faction Warfare SKINs. Eve Online allows me to trade whatever items I bought with FW LP or (if I did incursions) Concord LP mainly because some folks find it profitable that way. Some of us can choose to be loyal to one side and should be rewarded as such, but you cannot ignore the fact that you are a mercenary by design. You are only loyal because it's convenient for you. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 6	Posted - 2015.05.27 18:26:00 - [58] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: There is a time for discussion and a time for doing your goddamn job. You are making a logical fallacy (falafel?). If I could help with backend server code and logic, I would be. So what does it tell you that I am here, monitoring for feedback and other issues. Yeah, does this guy think it would get fixed faster if the programers had a Spreadsheet wizard hovering over them asking "Is it done yet?" To get a problem fixed quickly, you give the guys/gals who can fix it what they need, and then get the ____ out of their way! Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 6	Posted - 2015.05.27 18:29:00 - [59] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: There is a time for discussion and a time for doing your goddamn job. You are making a logical fallacy (falafel?). If I could help with backend server code and logic, I would be. So what does it tell you that I am here, monitoring for feedback and other issues. It just looks bad you blue tagging threads when the game isn't working. I respect what you have done for the game but it doesn't grant you a free pass for anything and everything going forward. It looks bad, Snorri. His job is the make sure there are qualified people working to solve the problem, and then to get out of the way. Posting on the forums is a good way to keep him out of the technicians hair so they can get it fixed. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 6	Posted - 2015.05.27 18:32:00 - [60] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: I will have to agree with the folks who are against restricting any trade with Faction Warfare SKINs. Eve Online allows me to trade whatever items I bought with FW LP or (if I did incursions) Concord LP mainly because some folks find it profitable that way. Some of us can choose to be loyal to one side and should be rewarded as such, but you cannot ignore the fact that you are a mercenary by design. You are only loyal because it's convenient for you. If they want a status suit to show their loyalty to a faction, It would be better to have a Faction Loyalty Rank requirement for the suit to work, rather than a trade restriction. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.



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