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Apocalyptic Destroyerr Shining Flame Amarr Empire 173	Posted - 2015.05.26 23:16:00 - [1] - Quote Now coming from a player who literally only runs Armor and only runs everything Amarr and is only for AFW / GFW I have to say shields are pretty awful. There's no words for how broken they are. Literally every weapon in the game destroys them. Should we Nerf every weapon ? Obviously No. So, shields are definitely missing something to be apart of the big game of Dust 514 There are numerous things in which we can fix this ! First Method: * Reduce the Shield Recharge Delay for either only the Caldari (Since they are a shield race) or for all suits and slightly buff the extenders. Idea New skill for Caldari : Reduce shield depletion delay by 1% or 2% per level. Second Method: We leave everything as is but add a new tool The Shield Booster* (Name can be changed) It's basically a handheld shield booster, that can only work on infantry (Maybe tanks if worked around like armor repair) Note: This tool does not continuously repair the shields but instead supplies the shields with a burst of repaired shielding and jump starts them for self repair. The Numbers are : Basic: Supplied Burst on Suits: 75 HP Supplied Burst on Vehicles: 400 HP Overheat Time: 17 Sec Advanced: Supplied Burst on Suits: 97 HP Supplied Burst on Vehicles: 500 HP Overheat Time: 12 Sec Proto: Supplied Burst on Suits: 110 HP Supplied Burst on Vehciles: 600 HP Overheat Time: 7 Sec Note ! That it can be debatable whether or not that this tool does or does not overheat to prevent misuse. It can also be debatable whether or not that it can be used on vehicles. The numbers are there, the idea is there. It may be sent to the trash or improved. But as far as I know there will be no shield repair tool. This is as close as it gets. Third Method: Increase the Speed of the Caldari to be somewhat on par with the Minmitar. Reason being is Caldari is only shield. It strikes me odd as why the Minmitar is so fast when they don't utilize as much shield. (Minmitar took the Caldari's Swarms, Knives, not the speed too :/ )
Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 508	Posted - 2015.05.26 23:19:00 - [2] - Quote I proposed taking away the gallente and amarr shield recharge and setting it to 1 per second. Now the caldaro still have crappy armor, but gallente and amarr have crappy shields. And i mean rep wise. 48th Special Operations Force Twitter-@48SOF
Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H No Context 766	Posted - 2015.05.26 23:23:00 - [3] - Quote Make shields recharge slower, but rechargers et al charge much faster. Add more HP to extenders, but make them cost more cpu. Therefore, you create greater contrast between hard hp that can take alpha damage and recharge for hit and run. So, shields would be more either/or in power and then a matter of balancing between the two. Whereas, armor would be more in the middle between ehp rep and hard hp. The armor races are about staying in the fight from CQ to medium range. Whereas, the Cal are about either temporarily close range or constant long range. The CPM candidate we need, not the one we want. The candidate for the rest of us.
Apocalyptic Destroyerr Shining Flame Amarr Empire 173	Posted - 2015.05.26 23:55:00 - [4] - Quote Bump for Cal
Squagga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 648	Posted - 2015.05.26 23:58:00 - [5] - Quote I like this guy. Everybody else tries to fix everything, when one thing needs fixing o7 Shields, the silent killer.
Golden Day Corrosive Synergy No Context 1	Posted - 2015.05.27 00:09:00 - [6] - Quote I switched to caldari scouts much faster shield recharge and movement speed Shotguns are magic Also couldnt stand getting mowed down everytime I go up against a minmatar assault... Im just a glorified blueberry
Scheneighnay McBob Tribal Liberation Force Paramilitary 6	Posted - 2015.05.27 00:12:00 - [7] - Quote Shield depleted delay is about fine as is, but I don't see any harm in giving caldari assaults a small bonus to it. I also say buff caldari shield HP. Their eHP is only barely above that of the minmatar, and the caldari are supposed to be like a shielded version of the amarr- slow and tanky. That's also why we shouldn't buff caldari movement speed. Aloha snackbar
Sicerly Yaw Quantum times 189	Posted - 2015.05.27 01:13:00 - [8] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Shield depleted delay is about fine as is, but I don't see any harm in giving caldari assaults a small bonus to it. I also say buff caldari shield HP. Their eHP is only barely above that of the minmatar, and the caldari are supposed to be like a shielded version of the amarr- slow and tanky. That's also why we shouldn't buff caldari movement speed. wrong very wrong the caldari are supposed to mirror the gallente not the amarr
nelo kazuma Ecce Initio RLC. RUST415 226	Posted - 2015.05.27 01:41:00 - [9] - Quote Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: Make shields recharge slower, but recharger mods et al charge much faster. Add more HP to extenders, but make them cost more cpu. Therefore, you create greater contrast between hard hp that can take alpha damage and recharge for hit and run. So, shields would be more either/or in power and then a matter of balancing between the two. Whereas, armor would be more in the middle between ehp rep and hard hp. The armor races are about staying in the fight from CQ to medium range. Whereas, the Cal are about either temporarily close range or constant long range. Why add more cost our costs already exceed armor modules in cpu and pg and give us half the value. A decent not op buff is required FOR THE STATE ^(-_-) Cal Loyalist For Life
Apocalyptic Destroyerr Shining Flame Amarr Empire 177	Posted - 2015.05.27 06:13:00 - [10] - Quote Bump for Shield Bros

VALCORE72 Vengeance Unbound RUST415 332	Posted - 2015.05.27 09:21:00 - [11] - Quote Golden Day wrote: I switched to caldari scouts much faster shield recharge and movement speed Shotguns are magic Also couldnt stand getting mowed down everytime I go up against a minmatar assault... rat should be looking in to shot guns . since it is a shield based weapon some ppl are saying he has the scrambler problem . to much damage to armor . just saying lol
Scheneighnay McBob Tribal Liberation Force Paramilitary 6	Posted - 2015.05.27 14:34:00 - [12] - Quote Sicerly Yaw wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Shield depleted delay is about fine as is, but I don't see any harm in giving caldari assaults a small bonus to it. I also say buff caldari shield HP. Their eHP is only barely above that of the minmatar, and the caldari are supposed to be like a shielded version of the amarr- slow and tanky. That's also why we shouldn't buff caldari movement speed. wrong very wrong the caldari are supposed to mirror the gallente not the amarr Brush up on your eve ****. Caldari mirror Amarr, Minmatar mirror Gallente. Barring artillery and drones, minmatar and gallente use speed and short-range weapons. Caldari and Amarr have long-range weapons, but are slow and tanky. Aloha snackbar
Georgia Xavier Y.A.M.A.H No Context 565	Posted - 2015.05.27 14:36:00 - [13] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: I proposed taking away the gallente and amarr shield recharge and setting it to 1 per second. Now the caldaro still have crappy armor, but gallente and amarr have crappy shields. And i mean rep wise. That is stupid beyond belief. Click me
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 7	Posted - 2015.05.27 15:11:00 - [14] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: I proposed taking away the gallente and amarr shield recharge and setting it to 1 per second. Now the caldaro still have crappy armor, but gallente and amarr have crappy shields. And i mean rep wise. I can see why you would say this, but they have a 6 second delay / 8 depleted. Chances are, they'll always have to wait those 8 seconds since they have around 160 shields at most of they're not using extenders. Buff regulators!
Verdia DeMosays Alexylva Paradox Low-Class 2	Posted - 2015.05.27 16:17:00 - [15] - Quote Yeah, for my Isk, shields are almost useless, except as a filler for those slots on the left. The ones across from my 3 proto armor reps on my proto min logi. I would like to see a decent shield HP buff, since armor is so dominant. And before people whine about armor not being OP, I present my proto logisuit with its 30hp/s armor self rep. Seriously, please make shields somewhat viable again. Sorry, I'm used to wormhole space, what are these Empire thingies?
Cody Sietz Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 4	Posted - 2015.05.27 16:22:00 - [16] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: I proposed taking away the gallente and amarr shield recharge and setting it to 1 per second. Now the caldaro still have crappy armor, but gallente and amarr have crappy shields. And i mean rep wise. We already have crappy shields. It would take 3 extenders, a few rechargers/energizers and a regulator to get the base shield stats a caldari suit does. Caldari suits need 1 armour repair mod and a complex armour plate to get close to base stats of armour suits(while still having all the good shield built in goodness) "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 514	Posted - 2015.05.27 17:17:00 - [17] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: I proposed taking away the gallente and amarr shield recharge and setting it to 1 per second. Now the caldaro still have crappy armor, but gallente and amarr have crappy shields. And i mean rep wise. We already have crappy shields. It would take 3 extenders, a few rechargers/energizers and a regulator to get the base shield stats a caldari suit does. Caldari suits need 1 armour repair mod and a complex armour plate to get close to base stats of armour suits(while still having all the good shield built in goodness) I mean rep wise. Amarr and gallente shields rep to fast. They should be forced to use rechargers the same way Caldari need armor reps. 48th Special Operations Force Twitter-@48SOF
Apocalyptic Destroyerr Shining Flame Amarr Empire 181	Posted - 2015.05.27 18:01:00 - [18] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: I proposed taking away the gallente and amarr shield recharge and setting it to 1 per second. Now the caldaro still have crappy armor, but gallente and amarr have crappy shields. And i mean rep wise. We already have crappy shields. It would take 3 extenders, a few rechargers/energizers and a regulator to get the base shield stats a caldari suit does. Caldari suits need 1 armour repair mod and a complex armour plate to get close to base stats of armour suits(while still having all the good shield built in goodness) I mean rep wise. Amarr and gallente shields rep to fast. They should be forced to use rechargers the same way Caldari need armor reps. I actually feel like There should be a bonus for the Caldari concerning either shield depletion or recharge. Or penalize the non Shield races
Apocalyptic Destroyerr Shining Flame Amarr Empire 182	Posted - 2015.05.27 18:15:00 - [19] - Quote Verdia DeMosays wrote: Yeah, for my Isk, shields are almost useless, except as a filler for those slots on the left. The ones across from my 3 proto armor reps on my proto min logi. I would like to see a decent shield HP buff, since armor is so dominant. And before people whine about armor not being OP, I present my proto logisuit with its 30hp/s armor self rep. Seriously, please make shields somewhat viable again. Exactly, I don't ever use Extenders unless complex or for a filler slot. If not I'll use a damage mod instead or precision mod
Apocalyptic Destroyerr Shining Flame Amarr Empire 186	Posted - 2015.05.28 17:14:00 - [20] - Quote It now strikes me odd as how to the Caldari want something so badly but won't settle for what they can get.

Apocalyptic Destroyerr Shining Flame Amarr Empire 214	Posted - 2015.05.31 15:04:00 - [21] - Quote Bump
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 1	Posted - 2015.05.31 15:17:00 - [22] - Quote But, if you buff shields then tons of noobs will flock to my Master Race.... But in all seriousness I don't think they're that weak. Depends on your play style. I almost always go positive in my basic 'Dragonfly' assault C-1. I also run am armor tanked Amarr assault, and my stats are pretty comparable when I do. Maybe some minor tweaks would be in order, to recharge, or giving Caldari a recharge bonus or something.. I just wouldn't want to see some drastic change which makes shields OP !--CCP, let's push for the license of Dust on both current Gen consoles--!
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game 932	Posted - 2015.05.31 15:21:00 - [23] - Quote All that's needed, is a buff to rechargers and energisers.
Piercing Serenity Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 897	Posted - 2015.05.31 15:29:00 - [24] - Quote Personally, I still don't think that this solution fixes the issue. It addresses symptoms. From my understanding, EVE/DUST maximum shield values are always supposed to be less than maximum armor values. So you can't do anything to shield suit's absolute HP without making them unreasonable. The suggestions in this thread might make shield (comparatively) more viable, armor and speed tanking will always be the better option so long as map and objective designs favor CQC engagements. At the end of the day we should evaluate suits based on how well they preform at the most competitive level, when the only metric that really matters is "Did my team win, or lose?". I got enemies, got a lot of enemies , got a lot of people tryna drain me of this energy
Squagga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 664	Posted - 2015.05.31 15:47:00 - [25] - Quote I sincerely appreciate OP. This is a big issue we've been dealing with, and working on getting CCP to fix Shields, the silent killer.
V1RONXSS X-SENSE Security 50	Posted - 2015.05.31 15:49:00 - [26] - Quote Just remove all kind of recharge delays, done. The "Chiki Briki v Damki" Starter Pack.
PARKOUR PRACTIONER D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2	Posted - 2015.05.31 16:44:00 - [27] - Quote VALCORE72 wrote: Golden Day wrote: I switched to caldari scouts much faster shield recharge and movement speed Shotguns are magic Also couldnt stand getting mowed down everytime I go up against a minmatar assault... rat should be looking in to shot guns . since it is a shield based weapon some ppl are saying he has the scrambler problem . to much damage to armor . just saying lol Make the shotgun a hybrid weapon. And shotgun hit detection has been crappy lately, and you do have to chew through the armor a bit, kinda like trying to kill a sentinel with a Six Kin, takes a while. Or am i just bad? Minmatar-Daredevil, blind, smart, resourceful, breaks faces GET UP Back to where it began
Heimdallr69 Negative-Feedback. 5	Posted - 2015.05.31 16:55:00 - [28] - Quote Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: Make shields recharge slower, but recharger mods et al charge much faster. Add more HP to extenders, but make them cost more cpu. Therefore, you create greater contrast between hard hp that can take alpha damage and recharge for hit and run. So, shields would be more either/or in power and then a matter of balancing between the two. Whereas, armor would be more in the middle between ehp rep and hard hp. The armor races are about staying in the fight from CQ to medium range. Whereas, the Cal are about either temporarily close range or constant long range. Extenders take more CPU/pg than ferros yet they give more hp.. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Apocalyptic Destroyerr Shining Flame Amarr Empire 215	Posted - 2015.05.31 16:59:00 - [29] - Quote Squagga wrote: I sincerely appreciate OP. This is a big issue we've been dealing with, and working on getting CCP to fix These suggestions are do able, yes ?


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