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Cody Sietz
Random Gunz Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.05.26 14:56:00 -
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if you leave battles over and over again you get a clone lock. 1 battle gets you a 30 second timer, 3 gets you 2 mins and 5 gets you a 10 minute timer.
Or tweak it to something else, I don't know...
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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kiarbanor
S.e.V.e.N.
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Posted - 2015.05.26 15:22:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:if you leave battles over and over again you get a clone lock. 1 battle gets you a 30 second timer, 3 gets you 2 mins and 5 gets you a 10 minute timer.
Or tweak it to something else, I don't know...
The only issue I see, Sietz, is that I don't think there needs to be any more reasons for a person to have trouble getting into a match in this game. The player base is already too small, and I can see people saying, "I have to wait 10 minutes to play? F that. I'll just play something else."
But something does need to be done. I still agree with Bremen when he said that there should be a simple metric that tells everyone how many battles you leave. If you put that front and center, people will change their behavior. Not all will change, but I think a good portion will. Just like KDR; when you put that front and center, gamers play differently. |
Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2015.05.26 15:28:00 -
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We need a carrot and stick.
Yes, some kind of penalty for leaving would be nice. I don't know if a lockout is a great idea, as it might encourage players to simply log off. Perhaps a penalty to ISK earned for the next couple matches? It starts at 3% then increases by 3% for every "leave-early" after that. The penalty disappears after completing X consecutive matches.
We would also need a reward. Complete 5 consecutive matches and earn 250k ISK + 5k SP? It's like a permanent, repeatable mission.
@Ripley_Riley
"I NEED NO PILLS I'M A FUCKING GOAT!" - Cat Merc
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Cody Sietz
Random Gunz Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.05.26 15:28:00 -
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kiarbanor wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:if you leave battles over and over again you get a clone lock. 1 battle gets you a 30 second timer, 3 gets you 2 mins and 5 gets you a 10 minute timer.
Or tweak it to something else, I don't know... The only issue I see, Sietz, is that I don't think there needs to be any more reasons for a person to have trouble getting into a match in this game. The player base is already too small, and I can see people saying, "I have to wait 10 minutes to play? F that. I'll just play something else." But something does need to be done. I still agree with Bremen when he said that there should be a simple metric that tells everyone how many battles you leave. If you put that front and center, people will change their behavior. Not all will change, but I think a good portion will. Just like KDR; when you put that front and center, gamers play differently. I don't think telling me how many matches they leave will stop much of anything. Every dom I have played today resulted in one team completely deserting, Leaving 2-6 players on the one side.
One thing I think we've all noticed about this game is that people will use anything that will provide them a slight advantage, if it is a exploit or otherwise. If I'm not playing vs or with people in a match because they desert, then let them leave.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Eros Adonai
Corrosive Synergy No Context
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Posted - 2015.05.26 15:31:00 -
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What about a 'Battle Extraction Fee' or something? You get charged, say 100,000 isk for choosing to leave a battle, for extraction fees...You have to 'buy' the transport outta there, to avoid being charged every time you're dc'd.
Director - Corrosive Synergy
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Varoth Drac
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.05.26 15:32:00 -
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Ideal solution: drones.
Use drones to make up numbers..... I can dream. |
Cody Sietz
Random Gunz Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.05.26 15:37:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:We need a carrot and stick.
Yes, some kind of penalty for leaving would be nice. I don't know if a lockout is a great idea, as it might encourage players to simply log off. Perhaps a penalty to ISK earned for the next couple matches? It starts at 3% then increases by 3% for every "leave-early" after that. The penalty disappears after completing X consecutive matches.
We would also need a reward. Complete 5 consecutive matches and earn 250k ISK + 5k SP? It's like a permanent, repeatable mission. Well, time does equal isk so being shut out for a few mins can mean you are losing isk(and sp)
I just think people not leaving battle after battle because they don't wanna get locked out could actually work.
Losing isk kind of only effects the poor and those are usually newer people.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Chuck Nurris DCLXVI
Enlightened Infantries Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.05.26 15:44:00 -
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Eros Adonai wrote:What about a 'Battle Extraction Fee' or something? You get charged, say 100,000 isk for choosing to leave a battle, for extraction fees...You have to 'buy' the transport outta there, to avoid being charged every time you're dc'd.
Then people will just "happen" to develop a timely network fault, and disconnect that way.
Another proposal could be to properly count losses and gains. That is even if you leave a battle, your name will still figure on the end of battle report, as having left, all losses of suits and deaths will still be counted against your toon, and all gains set to null. No kills, no LP, SP, WP or ISK.
That includes combating the "disconnect before the toon expires" exploit to keep the proto suit they just got killed in. |
kiarbanor
S.e.V.e.N.
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Posted - 2015.05.26 15:50:00 -
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Eh, I still see the metric as an easy fix that doesn't directly harm anyone, but it MAY change behavior. It might not, but what I'm saying is that it wouldn't hurt anything to try.
I still don't like negative repercussions with a player base so small. If we had the players that CoD or BF4 has, then that's another story. But I don't want to give people another excuse not to play the game.
Plus, it still isn't fixing the issue. Let's say we do slap them on the wrist for leaving battle; okay, I'll just stay in the battle and AFK. That burns me more than people leaving.
Along Rip's thought process, what if you gave people a good incentive to play match and gain the minimum WPs? Leave it at that. Maybe you tie it to Warbarge Components. For every match you start and complete in a row, you get a sliding scale of Warbarge Components. I would start with the second game.
So, finish game 2 and I get an automatic 100 Warbarge Components. And then it goes up by 100 Components for every game I start and finish after that? Or 50.
It has to be a good enough incentive to get people not to just stay in the game but actively participate. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Tribal Liberation Force Paramilitary
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Posted - 2015.05.26 16:07:00 -
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It would work, and better than it does for war thunder. "My Hs-129 crew is unavailable? Big ******* deal, I'll just fly my Do-217"
Aloha snackbar
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Cody Sietz
Random Gunz Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.05.27 14:41:00 -
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kiarbanor wrote:Eh, I still see the metric as an easy fix that doesn't directly harm anyone, but it MAY change behavior. It might not, but what I'm saying is that it wouldn't hurt anything to try.
I still don't like negative repercussions with a player base so small. If we had the players that CoD or BF4 has, then that's another story. But I don't want to give people another excuse not to play the game.
Plus, it still isn't fixing the issue. Let's say we do slap them on the wrist for leaving battle; okay, I'll just stay in the battle and AFK. That burns me more than people leaving.
Along Rip's thought process, what if you gave people a good incentive to play match and gain the minimum WPs? Leave it at that. Maybe you tie it to Warbarge Components. For every match you start and complete in a row, you get a sliding scale of Warbarge Components. I would start with the second game.
So, finish game 2 and I get an automatic 100 Warbarge Components. And then it goes up by 100 Components for every game I start and finish after that? Or 50.
It has to be a good enough incentive to get people not to just stay in the game but actively participate. I really do agree with you, but in this situation I find people leaving matches and no one filling the spots is hurting the game more tbh.
As for rewarding complete sessions in a row, that's a major +1 from me.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Operative 1174 Uuali
Y.A.M.A.H No Context
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Posted - 2015.05.27 15:05:00 -
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This is what ai was suggesting in a separate post by way of Match Slots (tm). You get three, after that you have to wait until that match is over to get that slot freed up.
The CPM candidate we need, not the one we want. The candidate for the rest of us.
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REDBACK96USMC
NORTH K0REA
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Posted - 2015.05.27 15:16:00 -
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What some people have found out is that you still get credit if the team you left wins. Supposedly you also get the salvage from the match although I havent confirmed. Credit for a win even if you leave battle leads to people spamming matches and leaving in hopes to get their win count for missions done in a faster time. |
Cody Sietz
Random Gunz Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.05.27 15:20:00 -
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REDBACK96USMC wrote:What some people have found out is that you still get credit if the team you left wins. Supposedly you also get the salvage from the match although I havent confirmed. Credit for a win even if you leave battle leads to people spamming matches and leaving in hopes to get their win count for missions done in a faster time. I know this for a fact. I even tested it to see if you get credit for dailys and it does work for them as well(even without the 150wp)
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Supernus Gigas
The Cooked Goose Coalition
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Posted - 2015.05.27 15:24:00 -
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REDBACK96USMC wrote:What some people have found out is that you still get credit if the team you left wins. Supposedly you also get the salvage from the match although I havent confirmed. Credit for a win even if you leave battle leads to people spamming matches and leaving in hopes to get their win count for missions done in a faster time.
Well geez, let's just advertise this to the world. That'll make everything better.
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