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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.05.25 06:11:00 -
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Once we get this tiericide thing done I would like to see the dev team take a second look at the pricing of vehicles.
Why?
Because once vehicles get a second pass and the madrugar gets adjusted ( and we all know it will) it will become rapidly apparent that the pricing of vehicles now versus the pricing of vehicles in acceptable, to the majority of players, balance will be skewed harshly against vehicle deployment.
I believe that vehicles need to be brought to heel, but despite the claims that ISK is not a balancing factor it is clear that it is being used thusly.
I've had conversations with the members of the CPM discussing this. Most will listen, one or two are reactionary and maintain that vehicles are universally OP and must shoulder excessive cost. This is a poor standard and makes choosing to spec into vehicles an idiot choice if it is held to because your vehicle will at minimum cost the equivalent of two 1000 WP victories.
Pricing of vehicles should be based on utility. If an HAV takes 4x as long to kill as a dropsuit SOLO then there is little to no justification for it costing in excess of 10 times a equivalent dropsuit.
We claim that HAV pricing isn't used as a balance point, but the evidence I see points the other way, and I'm pretty sure subconsciously. But I don't understand the resistance to making the HAV drivers able to susustain reasonable operations the same way that I can sustain dropsuit operations.
As long as we keep forcing a cost of 400k-1.5 million per HAV replaced the HAV drivers will have a valid argument. AGAINST proper balancing versus AV.
the costs need to come down with the overwhelming difficulty. Of putting one of those machines out of comission.
I don't play my tank alt precisely because paying 3-5 mil per match in losses that are unsustainable isn't fun at all.
Even running STD cheap fits is a bad prospect. Cost may not be a balancing concern, but the cost is disproportionate to the reward, and the profession is not sustainable.
Until it IS sustainable there will always be justification for HAV drivers to resist a reasonable balance between HAVs and AV.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.05.25 08:34:00 -
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Yup.
Pilot/driver is supposed to be a valid career choice in the game.
But unless it is a sustainable career in the game we can't expect to see balance.
I kill madrugars. I know people who kill madrugars.
But it's not skill vs. Skill.
It's hoping that the tank driver makes a catastrophic mistake that you can capitalize on. But how do you balance for skill vs. Skill when one side of the equation only earns enough ISK for one unit every 4-6 matches for a good one, or eevery 2-3 matches for an arguably crap one?
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.05.25 10:03:00 -
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Unfortunately passive ISK was bad for the game. The majority of tank drivers could not benefit from the ISK faucet, limiting it's use to one HAV driver for every 50 I encountered.
The other 49 had no recourse but to grind missions in starter fits when I'd come around the corner in my murder chariot and jump out shooting while they desperately tried to kill what they probably thought was a JLAV.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.05.26 12:05:00 -
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Aderek wrote:I think, that price of tank is very good. I think, that price of SUITS is TOO LOW! STD -800 isk? Proto 40 K isk? Are you kiding me?
In old time (beta version) adv siut cost about 30-50k. I want, to this time come back! Good price for weapon, siut and tank. Why miliia tank cost 50k, standard 90k adv 150k etc, but dropsiut 800, 2000, 40 000 ?
You have to think about it....
Nice sh*tpost.
1/10. far too obvious to derail this crowd.
Get out.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.05.26 12:06:00 -
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Tesfa Alem wrote:Tanks should not be disposable.
The way the premise of this game is set up, EVERYTHING should be disposable.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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