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thor424
Namtar Elite
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Posted - 2015.05.23 20:50:00 -
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Pubs are unplayable. No matter how many times I say it, it still amazes me that people turn on a video game and don't play it. I really hope this new suit/core thing works out because the risk/reward/incentive dynamic has turned the majority of Dust players into anything but mercenaries or fighters. I'm picturing accountants being drug kicking and screaming on the battlefield and stuck in a cage in a foxhole. Just crying their little eyes out that people are shooting at them.
FW isn't always an option and competition is low most of the time. Yet it's the only relatively persistent way to ensure that you aren't deploying with a bunch of window lickers.
PC is just too much work for one fight. It relies on a handful of people doing an unrealistic amount of work for a 30 minute fight. You can have 40 people in a channel for a PC and if one of those handful of people aren't online the entire corp might fall apart. Nobody will ever convince me that persistent battles wouldn't be much more fun. I'd like to see public raids on PC districts (perhaps this could be triggered by a war dec to keep your enemy overwhelmed) or something.
I want to be able to join a team and be able to play with that team until I log off. I'm finished playing pubs in squads where you have to play like your life depends on it to carry your blues to victory.
Everyone always has these big ideas and things they want added, etc, but the biggest issue facing this game is that this playerbase simply does not want to fight each other. They just want to passively accrue all these resources and assets.
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thor424
Namtar Elite
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Posted - 2015.05.23 21:05:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:I'm waiting for tiericide.
I have a funny feeling it is the core issue that has plagued DUST since uprisings release.
We'll see if I Am right.
I think that it should fix it, but I worry that the pacifists just can't be cured.
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thor424
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.23 21:46:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:PC wasn't interesting before CCP "killed it" by stopping the farm.
FW needs some more unique items, like the specialist gear.
That's just not true. The meta in PC was all consuming. To be honest the farms were a response to total domination by small groups of elites. We started farming when I was in ML wayyyy back in the day so we wouldn't be behind in ISK too be able to fight when mechanics were tweaked. The tweaks never came. By the end of 2013 there weren't enough people involved to keep it from the same people fighting over mostly other people's districts.
The mechanics and the lack of logistical tools in game put too much work on too few. People would burn out even after success. Those that lost eventually imploded. Each time fewer and fewer people involved. Eventually you had to farm to generate the ISK to make people want to put up with it at all.
By now I mostly see PC folks wanting to show up 20 minutes before a battle and have everything run like a well oiled machine. When that doesn't happen a chunk of your people just stop showing up.
Really this is the reason I disagreed with Rattati touching on PC first. I don't think there's enough people willing to take on that load no matter how much better the rewards/mechanics become.
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thor424
Namtar Elite
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Posted - 2015.05.23 23:43:00 -
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Diesel Heat seeker wrote:Thor, I run a 3 man cor with all closed beta vets. Give me a shout, you are more than welcome to join or to squad up with no strings attached. Tc dude
It's not hard for me to find a great squad, but it doesn't keep pubs from being extremely frustrating. But I'm always up for squading, hit me up
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thor424
Namtar Elite
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Posted - 2015.05.24 04:09:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:thor424 wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:PC wasn't interesting before CCP "killed it" by stopping the farm.
FW needs some more unique items, like the specialist gear. That's just not true. The meta in PC was all consuming. To be honest the farms were a response to total domination by small groups of elites. We started farming when I was in ML wayyyy back in the day so we wouldn't be too far behind in ISK to be able to fight when mechanics were tweaked. The tweaks never came. By the end of 2013 there weren't enough people involved to keep it from the same people fighting over mostly other people's districts. The mechanics and the lack of logistical tools in game put too much work on too few. People would burn out even after success. Those that lost eventually imploded. Each time fewer and fewer people involved. Eventually you had to farm to generate the ISK to make people want to put up with it at all. By now I mostly see PC folks wanting to show up 20 minutes before a battle and have everything run like a well oiled machine. When that doesn't happen a chunk of your people just stop showing up. Really this is the reason I disagreed with Rattati touching on PC first. I don't think there's enough people willing to take on that load no matter how much better the rewards/mechanics become. And the whole time that they were "protesting" by farming, all the smaller corps were thinking "as soon as we try to take a district, the shitbuckets will be on our asses in a second with the officer version of whatever the FoTM is"
People were talking about the broken mechanics before, during, and after farming. The players shouldn't be blamed for bad mechanics.
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