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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.05.21 21:47:00 -
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nelo kazuma wrote:Op doesnt even begin to describe this weapon. Has extremly high fire rate charge shot insta kills most suits with headshots its armor dmg trumps the cr and rr even though its supposed to be a shield based weapon. Range does more dmg cuz of dmg per bullet. The list goes on honestly what it needs is reg scr needs a nerf in fire rate big time makes using the ascr useless for so many reasons. Next nerf in armor damg when it trumps both armor weapons in dmg its ridiculous.
It's rate of fire is the third highest of all equivalent rifle variations (excluding the assault classes and including the burst and tactical AR's) and also is the third highest in terms of Assault variations as well.
The only anti armour standard variation of rifle the ScR does more damage on with equivalent numbers of damage modules (or none at all) is the Rail Rifle which admittedly I can see really doesn't have enough differences in terms of range or power to justify such a huge disparity.
The Boundless CR trumps the Viziam by roughly 145.02 DPS vs armoured targets (2x Damage modules).
Now not saying it doesn't need a nerf. Only that the hyperbole is strong in you.
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Posted - 2015.05.21 23:05:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:But the charged shot isn't the problem.
It is the ability to put several high damage shots within very few pixels near instantaneously.
The charge itself is pretty okay, according to empirical study, it's better damage-wise to use tap shots. Charge is good for very weak suits which can be instagibbed tho, but if there's a risk that bogey would survive that 1+3 then it's not. Charge shot on its own is not really an issue, but when its quickly followed up by a sprinkle of regular shots, that adds up to a lot of damage in very little time. Without the charge shot, the SCR's ability to do a lot of damage very quickly isn't that different from the Tac AR's.
You made a very solid suggestion the other day which was to have brief over heat animation (not the full 6 seconds) but something akin to the Ion Pistol where your mercenary shakes the rifle to disperse built up heat for a second or two.
This allows the charged shot itself to remain in tact as a viable choice but not be followed up immediately by high DPS volleys. That way an affected player has time to react.
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Posted - 2015.05.22 02:03:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:True Adamance wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:But the charged shot isn't the problem.
It is the ability to put several high damage shots within very few pixels near instantaneously.
The charge itself is pretty okay, according to empirical study, it's better damage-wise to use tap shots. Charge is good for very weak suits which can be instagibbed tho, but if there's a risk that bogey would survive that 1+3 then it's not. Charge shot on its own is not really an issue, but when its quickly followed up by a sprinkle of regular shots, that adds up to a lot of damage in very little time. Without the charge shot, the SCR's ability to do a lot of damage very quickly isn't that different from the Tac AR's. You made a very solid suggestion the other day which was to have brief over heat animation (not the full 6 seconds) but something akin to the Ion Pistol where your mercenary shakes the rifle to disperse built up heat for a second or two. This allows the charged shot itself to remain in tact as a viable choice but not be followed up immediately by high DPS volleys. That way an affected player has time to react. I don't think I suggested that, was probably someone else in the group chat, but I will gladly take credit for it because I like it.
Pretty sure it was you......or me  ..... I don't even know. But I have been using the Ion Pistol a bit more recently and I quite enjoy how it functions. You can fire your charged round, duck back into cover, then return guns blazing.
I tend to think of it as an elegant solution that addressed the core problems you stated while preserving a fantastic and unique property of the weapon itself.
Firing charged bolts of lighting in disciplined volleys is just one of the draws of the weapon.
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Posted - 2015.05.27 00:33:00 -
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Greasepalms wrote:give all variants the Darth's ADS zoom
slightly tone down recoil
increase hipfire dispersion
Reasoning:
Most of the times I feel more comfortable going into close range and hipfiring with the ScR as opposed to keeping it at medium range.
I really wish the scr were more like the TAR of old, back when it had the camera scope .. now that weapon was the true marksman's dream.
EWWWWW NOOOOOOOO!
Darth's zoom level is so ******* jacked up it practically breaks the weapon.
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Posted - 2015.05.27 02:37:00 -
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nelo kazuma wrote:True Adamance wrote:nelo kazuma wrote:Op doesnt even begin to describe this weapon. Has extremly high fire rate charge shot insta kills most suits with headshots its armor dmg trumps the cr and rr even though its supposed to be a shield based weapon. Range does more dmg cuz of dmg per bullet. The list goes on honestly what it needs is reg scr needs a nerf in fire rate big time makes using the ascr useless for so many reasons. Next nerf in armor damg when it trumps both armor weapons in dmg its ridiculous.
It's rate of fire is the third highest of all equivalent rifle variations (excluding the assault classes and including the burst and tactical AR's) and also is the third highest in terms of Assault variations as well. The only anti armour standard variation of rifle the ScR does more damage on with equivalent numbers of damage modules (or none at all) is the Rail Rifle which admittedly I can see really doesn't have enough differences in terms of range or power to justify such a huge disparity. The Boundless CR trumps the Viziam by roughly 145.02 DPS vs armoured targets (2x Damage modules). Now not saying it doesn't need a nerf. Only that the hyperbole is strong in you. As someone pointed out to me "the human capability of pressing the trigger is about half the actual weapons rate of fire n he continued saying why if people are unable to even reach that fire rate normally why is it that high. It only invites the use of modded controllers." Now I say this only because ( I dnt have issue with the weapon btw) this will be the next weapon people will run to once scr does recieve its nerf people always will abuse what they can in a game. Believe when I say I take cr over scr any day lol but watch n see for yourself n think back to this post
The purpose of this post was to point out that you statement held no value whatsoever and you were resorting hyperbole rather than using examples from within the game to back up your statements.
That being said I cannot do anything to dissuade Rattati from doing what he sees fit with the ScR. However I will defend the weapon itself where it is deserving of defence.
Sadly both Amarrian general purpose rifles are up for nerf this time and in this armour-centric meta all I can do is caution CCP Rattati and ask him to take a slow and incremental approach to the weapon alterations so that he does not literally kill an entire racial playstyle.
What I feel people are wrongly doing is picking on the ScR's maximum attainable DPS against shields of 1164 and comparing that to other rifle types. However the Tactical Assault Rifle is equally capable of dishing out similar on paper DPS, only trailing at this point by a negligible 74 DPS, while being 100 DPS superior against armour.
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