DUST Search - (idea) for tanks

jace silencerww wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

yoahmad pwnh wrote:

its not so much an idea but a request to add things that were removed from the game which one I think would make the game more fair and even vs the now unstoppable power of AV (lai dai for one ) is more HP so if it maybe possible to include tanks with more HP in the next update or reinstate the great 180 mm plates because the way it is now is becoming unbearable example my tank at full health 1200 shield 4565 armor was one shot by a proto forge gun when I asked him how he did it he said he was running full damage mods which is why we should get more HP because tanks use to be so op that nothing could kill it but now that AV has been buffed ( bit to much if you ask me ) it seems that the tanks have fallen out of favour with ccp and we have been almost abandoned to the point that 2 years ago my LAV had almost more HP then my tank now

but thanks for the new tanks they still are no match for the might of pro or even adv AV but I've had some epic tank battles so thanks

Yo cannot to my knowledge one shot a Complex 120mm Armour Plated Tank....though if that AVer did he is a god amongst me having had to strike at your weak point and frankly with such a combination of PRO tier AV, damage modules, and a weak point hit you deserved to have lost that vehicle.

That being said CCP Rattati expressed and interest in bringing reskined Madrugars as the Amarr HAV into rotation. These tanks will likely have additional base armour, less shields, one one additional low slot.

This sounds like your kind of tank.

slots are the same on most suits. if he does this the tank will have little less shield and more armor but a slower base speed. hope he bring out both amarr & Minnie tanks.

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yoahmad pwnh FireyKiller's Tank Crew 0	Posted - 2015.05.18 21:11:00 - [1] - Quote its not so much an idea but a request to add things that were removed from the game which one I think would make the game more fair and even vs the now unstoppable power of AV (lai dai for one ) is more HP so if it maybe possible to include tanks with more HP in the next update or reinstate the great 180 mm plates because the way it is now is becoming unbearable example my tank at full health 1200 shield 4565 armor was one shot by a proto forge gun when I asked him how he did it he said he was running full damage mods which is why we should get more HP because tanks use to be so op that nothing could kill it but now that AV has been buffed ( bit to much if you ask me ) it seems that the tanks have fallen out of favour with ccp and we have been almost abandoned to the point that 2 years ago my LAV had almost more HP then my tank now but thanks for the new tanks they still are no match for the might of pro or even adv AV but I've had some epic tank battles so thanks
Krias Thracian Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2015.05.18 22:23:00 - [2] - Quote yoahmad pwnh wrote: its not so much an idea but a request to add things that were removed from the game which one I think would make the game more fair and even vs the now unstoppable power of AV (lai dai for one ) is more HP so if it maybe possible to include tanks with more HP in the next update or reinstate the great 180 mm plates because the way it is now is becoming unbearable example my tank at full health 1200 shield 4565 armor was one shot by a proto forge gun when I asked him how he did it he said he was running full damage mods which is why we should get more HP because tanks use to be so op that nothing could kill it but now that AV has been buffed ( bit to much if you ask me ) it seems that the tanks have fallen out of favour with ccp and we have been almost abandoned to the point that 2 years ago my LAV had almost more HP then my tank now but thanks for the new tanks they still are no match for the might of pro or even adv AV but I've had some epic tank battles so thanks I don't know if I agree that tanks should be given more HP's. All that means is that the mid to low level AV is now nigh-impossible to kill your tank (in your specific example). I would much rather see top-end damage nerfed. I agree that noone should realistically be able to one-shot a reasonably fit tank (You don't actually state what the tank was, just the shields and armour values) but buffing tank HP to take them out of the range of low/mid tier equipment I don't think is the best way to do it. I'd rather see them increase the penalties on stacking multiple damage mods of the same type to bring the maximum damage potential down so that they can't do almost 7000 raw damage (I don't know what the EHP would have been). Just my two cents worth.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.05.18 22:44:00 - [3] - Quote yoahmad pwnh wrote: its not so much an idea but a request to add things that were removed from the game which one I think would make the game more fair and even vs the now unstoppable power of AV (lai dai for one ) is more HP so if it maybe possible to include tanks with more HP in the next update or reinstate the great 180 mm plates because the way it is now is becoming unbearable example my tank at full health 1200 shield 4565 armor was one shot by a proto forge gun when I asked him how he did it he said he was running full damage mods which is why we should get more HP because tanks use to be so op that nothing could kill it but now that AV has been buffed ( bit to much if you ask me ) it seems that the tanks have fallen out of favour with ccp and we have been almost abandoned to the point that 2 years ago my LAV had almost more HP then my tank now but thanks for the new tanks they still are no match for the might of pro or even adv AV but I've had some epic tank battles so thanks Yo cannot to my knowledge one shot a Complex 120mm Armour Plated Tank....though if that AVer did he is a god amongst me having had to strike at your weak point and frankly with such a combination of PRO tier AV, damage modules, and a weak point hit you deserved to have lost that vehicle. That being said CCP Rattati expressed and interest in bringing reskined Madrugars as the Amarr HAV into rotation. These tanks will likely have additional base armour, less shields, one one additional low slot. This sounds like your kind of tank. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 9	Posted - 2015.05.19 00:43:00 - [4] - Quote yoahmad pwnh wrote: ... the now unstoppable power of AV ... yoahmad pwnh wrote: ... tank at full health 1200 shield 4565 armor was one shot ... yoahmad pwnh wrote: ... now that AV has been buffed ... yoahmad pwnh wrote: ... my LAV had almost more HP then my tank now ... Troll Score: 2/10 Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 1	Posted - 2015.05.19 03:56:00 - [5] - Quote I'll pay 1 Million ISK to anyone who can find a longer run-on sentence than the OP. !--CCP, let's push for the license of Dust on both current Gen consoles--!
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8	Posted - 2015.05.19 07:53:00 - [6] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: yoahmad pwnh wrote: ... the now unstoppable power of AV ... yoahmad pwnh wrote: ... tank at full health 1200 shield 4565 armor was one shot ... yoahmad pwnh wrote: ... now that AV has been buffed ... yoahmad pwnh wrote: ... my LAV had almost more HP then my tank now ... Troll Score: 2/10 You saved me the effort. Also confirming 2/10 Waiting for the Russian judge. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
yoahmad pwnh FireyKiller's Tank Crew 0	Posted - 2015.05.19 18:56:00 - [7] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: I'll pay 1 Million ISK to anyone who can find a longer run-on sentence than the OP. Here's my run on for op-á An object in a game that is more powerful and so easy to use a complete noob who has never played fps games can use the out of almost any thing else-á
IG8T8 Dogshit Blues 47	Posted - 2015.05.19 19:16:00 - [8] - Quote if you fail in a tank youre a **** tanker. Nomadic ISK farmer.
yoahmad pwnh FireyKiller's Tank Crew 0	Posted - 2015.05.19 19:51:00 - [9] - Quote IG8T8 wrote: if you fail in a tank youre a **** tanker. well taken by your rather ignorant and unproductive comment you must either be new to dust or never actually used a tank well a least multiple times ( or maybe both ) I would recommend you actually use a tank for a week or so before you comment on someone ability to tank and while there is no way to be sure unless we meet in battle but being that I'm in a tank corp and I use a tank for most of my battles I'm sure I'm a better tanker then you but if you want to test it and see I'd love for you to join the tankers chat and we can always Queue-sync but thank you for your input
jace silencerww D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 168	Posted - 2015.05.19 20:40:00 - [10] - Quote True Adamance wrote: yoahmad pwnh wrote: its not so much an idea but a request to add things that were removed from the game which one I think would make the game more fair and even vs the now unstoppable power of AV (lai dai for one ) is more HP so if it maybe possible to include tanks with more HP in the next update or reinstate the great 180 mm plates because the way it is now is becoming unbearable example my tank at full health 1200 shield 4565 armor was one shot by a proto forge gun when I asked him how he did it he said he was running full damage mods which is why we should get more HP because tanks use to be so op that nothing could kill it but now that AV has been buffed ( bit to much if you ask me ) it seems that the tanks have fallen out of favour with ccp and we have been almost abandoned to the point that 2 years ago my LAV had almost more HP then my tank now but thanks for the new tanks they still are no match for the might of pro or even adv AV but I've had some epic tank battles so thanks Yo cannot to my knowledge one shot a Complex 120mm Armour Plated Tank....though if that AVer did he is a god amongst me having had to strike at your weak point and frankly with such a combination of PRO tier AV, damage modules, and a weak point hit you deserved to have lost that vehicle. That being said CCP Rattati expressed and interest in bringing reskined Madrugars as the Amarr HAV into rotation. These tanks will likely have additional base armour, less shields, one one additional low slot. This sounds like your kind of tank. slots are the same on most suits. if he does this the tank will have little less shield and more armor but a slower base speed. hope he bring out both amarr & Minnie tanks.

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.05.19 20:52:00 - [11] - Quote jace silencerww wrote: True Adamance wrote: yoahmad pwnh wrote: its not so much an idea but a request to add things that were removed from the game which one I think would make the game more fair and even vs the now unstoppable power of AV (lai dai for one ) is more HP so if it maybe possible to include tanks with more HP in the next update or reinstate the great 180 mm plates because the way it is now is becoming unbearable example my tank at full health 1200 shield 4565 armor was one shot by a proto forge gun when I asked him how he did it he said he was running full damage mods which is why we should get more HP because tanks use to be so op that nothing could kill it but now that AV has been buffed ( bit to much if you ask me ) it seems that the tanks have fallen out of favour with ccp and we have been almost abandoned to the point that 2 years ago my LAV had almost more HP then my tank now but thanks for the new tanks they still are no match for the might of pro or even adv AV but I've had some epic tank battles so thanks Yo cannot to my knowledge one shot a Complex 120mm Armour Plated Tank....though if that AVer did he is a god amongst me having had to strike at your weak point and frankly with such a combination of PRO tier AV, damage modules, and a weak point hit you deserved to have lost that vehicle. That being said CCP Rattati expressed and interest in bringing reskined Madrugars as the Amarr HAV into rotation. These tanks will likely have additional base armour, less shields, one one additional low slot. This sounds like your kind of tank. slots are the same on most suits. if he does this the tank will have little less shield and more armor but a slower base speed. hope he bring out both amarr & Minnie tanks. That depends. You can go with various archetypes for the Amarr HAV however it must have at least one heavily developed mobility characteristic to ensure that it is a competitive vehicle. Since Acceleration and Top Speed are off the table to some degree I think it really needs developed handling characteristics. Give it a slow acceleration curve [reaches top speed slowly], Low Top Speed [Slightly Slower than the Gunnlogi], Excellent Mobile and Stationary Handling [Surpassing the Gunnlogi]. I see the Amarr HAV as a rock that really should be tracking in place to face threats. Min on the other hands need to be the opposite. Very Quick Acceleration Curve, Highest Top Speed, Poorest Handling. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1	Posted - 2015.05.20 01:35:00 - [12] - Quote Krias Thracian wrote: I don't know if I agree that tanks should be given more HP's. All that means is that the mid to low level AV is now nigh-impossible to kill your tank (in your specific example). I would much rather see top-end damage nerfed. I agree that noone should realistically be able to one-shot a reasonably fit tank (You don't actually state what the tank was, just the shields and armour values) but buffing tank HP to take them out of the range of low/mid tier equipment I don't think is the best way to do it. I'd rather see them increase the penalties on stacking multiple damage mods of the same type to bring the maximum damage potential down so that they can't do almost 7000 raw damage (I don't know what the EHP would have been). Just my two cents worth. The problem is actually perception. Not that AV is too powerful and Maddy tanks are impregnable. The reality is Dust514 is nuanced. For all of Dust's balance problems the forums are driven by imbalance issues. Or, as I said, the perception of imbalance. From the AV crowd, they want to kill any tank, jeep or ADS with the STD AV gear. Or better, with AUR/LP items so they have zero SP spent on the effort. I have some pretty tough Maddy fits. But I have lost every one of them at some point. Normally to PRO AV or a good tanker but an entire squad getting all tank-killer will sometimes catch me unawares. In a good FPS the equipment is all balanced. A new player with skill can still survive and can get reasonable results. In Dust514 that has never been, nor will it ever be, the case. First the Merc can be STD rating all the way up to PRO (and beyond with proficiency as well, see what it takes to actually use a Thale). What is ignored on these forums (maybe even by CCP for all I know) is the driver of the vehicle can jack the ability of the HAV up. Even a Militia vehicle can use a particle cannon. But you need skill to even equip it. The same is true of AV gear (and everything else down here in the dust). If you have a lower level tanker getting trashed by AV no big surprise. But having ADV or PRO gear (wielded by less than ADV players) not being able to kill a tank - horror show! Oh well, welcome to Dust. Besides, the OP is a troll. My favorite tank is a Lightning. Just sayin.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 9	Posted - 2015.05.20 02:11:00 - [13] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: From the AV crowd, they want to kill any tank, jeep or ADS with the STD AV gear. I can't recall a single AVer saying anything to this effect. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6	Posted - 2015.05.20 02:26:00 - [14] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: KalOfTheRathi wrote: From the AV crowd, they want to kill any tank, jeep or ADS with the STD AV gear. I can't recall a single AVer saying anything to this effect. Sadly hyperbole is rampant from both camps much of the time =/ And if you come in as more moderate, the extremes tear you apart. It's kinda like modern politics actually "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast & Blog www.biomassed.net
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.05.20 02:59:00 - [15] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: KalOfTheRathi wrote: From the AV crowd, they want to kill any tank, jeep or ADS with the STD AV gear. I can't recall a single AVer saying anything to this effect. Sadly hyperbole is rampant from both camps much of the time =/ And if you come in as more moderate, the extremes tear you apart. It's kinda like modern politics actually HOW DARE YOU SAY HYPERBOLE IS OVERUSED! HOW DAERH YOU! You simply want Rattati to nerf hyperbole you anti-hyperbole spammer! "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`


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