DUST Search - ISK Gain Metric in Pubs

Ares 514 wrote:

kiarbanor wrote:

Ripley Riley wrote:

kiarbanor wrote:

However, from the perspective of the businesses hiring us for public contracts, I'm sure they do care about wins and losses, since they are most likely paying us to win the battle. That's the reason I think it's important.

I believe Pad is trying to point out that many matches are already decided before you ever put your boots on the ground due to fickle matchmaking gods. There have been times when I am placed in a match with the enemy MCC is at nearly 100% shields and ours is at 50% armor. I will be given a defeat when I had very little, if any, influence on that battle.

You dig?

Yep, I diggity dig it. But that's a different issue that can be fixed. Also, it impacts everyone the same. I'm almost positive everyone gets into those matches.

I was just explaining that if I was running one of these businesses in Dust 514--or the EvE universe--I would pay attention to wins/losses. I wouldn't want to hear excuses because, again, everyone is handed the same issue of being put into crap matches.

Actually solo or two man squads are much more likely to get this issue. If you always run with a full squad it almost never happens.

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kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 531	Posted - 2015.05.18 17:49:00 - [1] - Quote I think we need a new metric in pubs, along with the kill/death ratio and WPs. It should show how much ISK you gained/lost, and it should be visible for everyone in that match to see. I think this will add a different perspective to this game, especially for new players. They need to understand that one of the main goals for them is to remain ISK positive, no matter what their kill/death ratio is. And I think this should be an GÇ£actualGÇ¥ number, meaning, if youGÇÖre wearing BPOs and die 20 times, it wonGÇÖt reflect in ISK lost; you didnGÇÖt actually lose ISK. Think of it as a small audit after every battle. I know, from my perspective, if I had this metric when I was a noob, I wouldnGÇÖt have felt so bad after dying 20 times because I could see that I actually gained more ISK than the guy that died 4 times but was wearing proto the entire time. Thoughts?
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1	Posted - 2015.05.18 17:53:00 - [2] - Quote I like it. Overlord of Broman
JIMvc2 Consolidated Dust 1	Posted - 2015.05.18 17:58:00 - [3] - Quote I like it when we all got 3 to 6 million ISK for every battle in pubs = I WANT THAT BACK!! lol (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! Die YOU SHADOW BEING IN THE DARK!!!
P14GU3 UNIVERSAL C.A.R.N.A.G.E 1	Posted - 2015.05.18 18:00:00 - [4] - Quote I would love to see an isk gained/lost metric added to the EoM. I do worry about the effect it will have on the community though. I think we would start seeing a lot more matches ending in clones if more noobs start realizing they can go isk positive while still dying 20 times. 'Sault AK.0 - Logi AK.0 - Logi GK.0 - Scout GK.0 - 'Mando MK.0 - Masshole in every sense of the word.
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 531	Posted - 2015.05.18 18:02:00 - [5] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: I would love to see an isk gained/lost metric added to the EoM. I do worry about the effect it will have on the community though. I think we would start seeing a lot more matches ending in clones if more noobs start realizing they can go isk positive while still dying 20 times. Do you think that would be a bad thing? To me, I see that as a positive because at least noobs would stay in the fight and continue to push objectives. Maybe? Maybe not?
P14GU3 UNIVERSAL C.A.R.N.A.G.E 1	Posted - 2015.05.18 18:14:00 - [6] - Quote Depends on which side you are on I guess.. 'Sault AK.0 - Logi AK.0 - Logi GK.0 - Scout GK.0 - 'Mando MK.0 - Masshole in every sense of the word.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10	Posted - 2015.05.18 18:42:00 - [7] - Quote ISK efficiency strikes me as more important to immortal mercenaries than KDR. If it can't be added as an EoM metric then add it to the character sheet stats. +1 @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 537	Posted - 2015.05.18 18:46:00 - [8] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: ISK efficiency strikes me as more important to immortal mercenaries than KDR. If it can't be added as an EoM metric then add it to the character sheet stats. +1 Yes, from a corporate standpoint, I only care about profit and wins/losses. I don't care how you won, as long as you made a profit. And I'm sure there are times I don't care if you lose, as long as you make me a profit.
Krias Thracian Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2015.05.18 18:47:00 - [9] - Quote I think this is excellent. KDR doesn't really matter in this game, it's one of the reasons I've stuck with it, there are different things that you can do. I used to play Quake 2 Capture the Flag and could go whole matches without firing a weapon, just grabbing the flag and running like hell with the grapple. In a game where there is so much more to do than just kill people, it would be nice to see the metrics move away from pushing the KDR, which really doesn't matter so much. I think ISK Solvency metric would be a great thing to see. Maybe the ability to drill down into your own kills on the last battle screen with an estimated value? Kill Assists are another thing I would like to see on the metrics for the end of a match. They seem to be big parts of the after-match stuff, but don't appear on the team-wide metrics.
Seed Dren Helix Order Learning Alliance 214	Posted - 2015.05.18 18:50:00 - [10] - Quote Is a game but a same time people don't wanna keep dying, while also not making what they are loosing. That is why a lot of people leave a match when the other team is stacked or you know there is good players on the other side. Isk efficiency, better matchmaking among other thing will hopefully alleviate that. (fingers crossed) Amarr assualt + shotgun + hellfire= illuminati confirmed

kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 538	Posted - 2015.05.18 19:21:00 - [11] - Quote I'm a numbers guy, and I think it would be pretty cool to see how the player base ranks when it comes to this metric. I simply think we need to push new players to this type of thought process. Don't hound them with KDR. KDR doesn't matter.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10	Posted - 2015.05.18 19:49:00 - [12] - Quote kiarbanor wrote: KDR doesn't matter. It matters to some players. You are right that it shouldn't be our focus in this game, but there is still a use for the KDR data. In the Dust I picture in my mind, total ISK destroyed in a match would be displayed on the EoM as well as the total ISK you lost on fittings and vehicles. This would be proudly displayed front and center with plenty of data on exactly what you destroyed and who you cost the most ISK as well as who cut the most out of your profits. Below that data would be WP totals for Kills, Assists, Vehicle Damage, Triage, Team Resupply, Etc. Tucked away in a corner there would be a KDR read-out with minimal fanfare. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 540	Posted - 2015.05.18 20:00:00 - [13] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: kiarbanor wrote: KDR doesn't matter. It matters to some players. You are right that it shouldn't be our focus in this game, but there is still a use for the KDR data. In the Dust I picture in my mind, total ISK destroyed in a match would be displayed on the EoM as well as the total ISK you lost on fittings and vehicles. This would be proudly displayed front and center with plenty of data on exactly what you destroyed and who you cost the most ISK as well as who cut the most out of your profits. Below that data would be WP totals for Kills, Assists, Vehicle Damage, Triage, Team Resupply, Etc. Tucked away in a corner there would be a KDR read-out with minimal fanfare. Good ideas. And, don't lie, KDR only matters to you because you proudly display it in your house, above your fireplace. I can already see it; you print it off in large Old English text, 72 font.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10	Posted - 2015.05.18 20:05:00 - [14] - Quote kiarbanor wrote: And, don't lie, KDR only matters to you because you proudly display it in your house, above your fireplace. I can already see it; you print it off in large Old English text, 72 font. One day I hope to present my KDR to the Gods of gaming that are THIRDROCK in the hopes that I too can be considered pro MLG, 360 no scope, no items, final destination, diamond tier... In my corp the running joke is some players probably swagger up to women, "Hey sweetie, I have a 9.0 KDR in a F2P first-person shooter called DUST 514..." @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 540	Posted - 2015.05.18 20:09:00 - [15] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: kiarbanor wrote: And, don't lie, KDR only matters to you because you proudly display it in your house, above your fireplace. I can already see it; you print it off in large Old English text, 72 font. One day I hope to present my KDR to the Gods of gaming that are THIRDROCK in the hopes that I too can be considered pro MLG, 360 no scope, no items, final destination, diamond tier... In my corp the running joke is some players probably swagger up to women, "Hey sweetie, I have a 9.0 KDR in a F2P first-person shooter called DUST 514..." Are you saying I shouldn't use that line if I'm ever single again? Never mind, I'll never be single again.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10	Posted - 2015.05.18 20:12:00 - [16] - Quote kiarbanor wrote: Are you saying I shouldn't use that line if I'm ever single again? I'm saying that if you do you will have the ladies swarming all over you to touch your proto sniper rifle... if you get my meaning... eh? eh? ... the sniper rifle is your *****. That's the joke. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Scheneighnay McBob And the ButtPirates 6	Posted - 2015.05.18 20:30:00 - [17] - Quote JIMvc2 wrote: I like it when we all got 3 to 6 million ISK for every battle in pubs = I WANT THAT BACK!! lol But that was closed beta, and ISK and SP gained were super boosted to speed up our progression to using top-tier ****. Some details can be ignored
Adan Montano Pietsch Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 28	Posted - 2015.05.18 21:05:00 - [18] - Quote I don't see why not, usually i just compare and contrast in my wallet history though Just doing merc stuff
Makuta Miserix Nos Nothi 531	Posted - 2015.05.18 21:15:00 - [19] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: JIMvc2 wrote: I like it when we all got 3 to 6 million ISK for every battle in pubs = I WANT THAT BACK!! lol But that was closed beta, and ISK and SP gained were super boosted to speed up our progression to using top-tier ****. Pretty sure he's talking about when Uprising 1.9 launched with glitched payouts. Proud supporter of Scouts. Makuta Miserix the Assault/Logi part time Scout. Private Beta Veteran Dust 514/Starhawk
P14GU3 UNIVERSAL C.A.R.N.A.G.E 1	Posted - 2015.05.18 21:17:00 - [20] - Quote Adan Montano Pietsch wrote: I don't see why not, usually i just compare and contrast in my wallet history though I just put prices on my suits. If I know I lost five 75k suits, I needed to make 375k to break even. I already know what my isk effiency is, it would be nice not to have to do the math though. 'Sault AK.0 - Logi AK.0 - Logi GK.0 - Scout GK.0 - 'Mando MK.0 - Masshole in every sense of the word.

kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 546	Posted - 2015.05.18 21:28:00 - [21] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: Adan Montano Pietsch wrote: I don't see why not, usually i just compare and contrast in my wallet history though I just put prices on my suits. If I know I lost five 75k suits, I needed to make 375k to break even. I already know what my isk effiency is, it would be nice not to have to do the math though. Me, too. I put prices on all my suits. But I want ISK Gain to be a focal point for everyone to see. Yes, that guy just went 32-2, but he actually lost ISK. Or that Logi just went 0-7, but he made a ton of ISK.
Isa Lucifer Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 248	Posted - 2015.05.19 07:29:00 - [22] - Quote I like it. Amarr Victor Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
The KTM DuKe Dead Man's Game 230	Posted - 2015.05.19 10:14:00 - [23] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: kiarbanor wrote: And, don't lie, KDR only matters to you because you proudly display it in your house, above your fireplace. I can already see it; you print it off in large Old English text, 72 font. One day I hope to present my KDR to the Gods of gaming that are THIRDROCK in the hopes that I too can be considered pro MLG, 360 no scope, no items, final destination, diamond tier... In my corp the running joke is some players probably swagger up to women, "Hey sweetie, I have a 9.0 KDR in a F2P first-person shooter called DUST 514..." At least you can add your kdr to your curriculum vitae Creator of "The last objective rule" in FW . Just another scrub in a D1ck corp.
DAAAA BEAST Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.05.19 11:22:00 - [24] - Quote I vote yes. I specialize in plasma cannons. I also hate snipers with a passion.
PADDEHATPIGEN BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 225	Posted - 2015.05.19 14:38:00 - [25] - Quote I don't care about Winn/losses as Scotty often puts me in to a battle that is almost over, I have nothing to do with the Winn/loss in that situation. I don't care about K/D rate because every kill/death I get is different fits and siuts so it's not like I can say I'm a bad as at killing THIS, or THIS always gets me. And sometimes we have to suiside or get killed by the game do to lag, hit detection and other crap more than we do to players themselves. I don't care about those stats simply because they are untrustworthy. I ONLY CARE ABOUT ISK. LP AND SP. You can tell I'm Caldari can't you ?
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 553	Posted - 2015.05.19 14:52:00 - [26] - Quote PADDEHATPIGEN wrote: I don't care about Winn/losses as Scotty often puts me in to a battle that is almost over, I have nothing to do with the Winn/loss in that situation. I don't care about K/D rate because every kill/death I get is different fits and siuts so it's not like I can say I'm a bad as at killing THIS, or THIS always gets me. And sometimes we have to suiside or get killed by the game do to lag, hit detection and other crap more than we do to players themselves. I don't care about those stats simply because they are untrustworthy. I ONLY CARE ABOUT ISK. LP AND SP. You can tell I'm Caldari can't you ? From my merc's perspective, I completely agree. I only care about ISK and SP. (I don't care at all about LP, personally). However, from the perspective of the businesses hiring us for public contracts, I'm sure they do care about wins and losses, since they are most likely paying us to win the battle. That's the reason I think it's important.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10	Posted - 2015.05.19 14:55:00 - [27] - Quote kiarbanor wrote: However, from the perspective of the businesses hiring us for public contracts, I'm sure they do care about wins and losses, since they are most likely paying us to win the battle. That's the reason I think it's important. I believe Pad is trying to point out that many matches are already decided before you ever put your boots on the ground due to fickle matchmaking gods. There have been times when I am placed in a match with the enemy MCC is at nearly 100% shields and ours is at 50% armor. I will be given a defeat when I had very little, if any, influence on that battle. You dig? @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 553	Posted - 2015.05.19 15:04:00 - [28] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: kiarbanor wrote: However, from the perspective of the businesses hiring us for public contracts, I'm sure they do care about wins and losses, since they are most likely paying us to win the battle. That's the reason I think it's important. I believe Pad is trying to point out that many matches are already decided before you ever put your boots on the ground due to fickle matchmaking gods. There have been times when I am placed in a match with the enemy MCC is at nearly 100% shields and ours is at 50% armor. I will be given a defeat when I had very little, if any, influence on that battle. You dig? Yep, I diggity dig it. But that's a different issue that can be fixed. Also, it impacts everyone the same. I'm almost positive everyone gets into those matches. I was just explaining that if I was running one of these businesses in Dust 514--or the EvE universe--I would pay attention to wins/losses. I wouldn't want to hear excuses because, again, everyone is handed the same issue of being put into crap matches.
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1	Posted - 2015.05.19 15:16:00 - [29] - Quote kiarbanor wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: kiarbanor wrote: However, from the perspective of the businesses hiring us for public contracts, I'm sure they do care about wins and losses, since they are most likely paying us to win the battle. That's the reason I think it's important. I believe Pad is trying to point out that many matches are already decided before you ever put your boots on the ground due to fickle matchmaking gods. There have been times when I am placed in a match with the enemy MCC is at nearly 100% shields and ours is at 50% armor. I will be given a defeat when I had very little, if any, influence on that battle. You dig? Yep, I diggity dig it. But that's a different issue that can be fixed. Also, it impacts everyone the same. I'm almost positive everyone gets into those matches. I was just explaining that if I was running one of these businesses in Dust 514--or the EvE universe--I would pay attention to wins/losses. I wouldn't want to hear excuses because, again, everyone is handed the same issue of being put into crap matches. Actually solo or two man squads are much more likely to get this issue. If you always run with a full squad it almost never happens. Overlord of Broman
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 553	Posted - 2015.05.19 15:17:00 - [30] - Quote Ares 514 wrote: kiarbanor wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: kiarbanor wrote: However, from the perspective of the businesses hiring us for public contracts, I'm sure they do care about wins and losses, since they are most likely paying us to win the battle. That's the reason I think it's important. I believe Pad is trying to point out that many matches are already decided before you ever put your boots on the ground due to fickle matchmaking gods. There have been times when I am placed in a match with the enemy MCC is at nearly 100% shields and ours is at 50% armor. I will be given a defeat when I had very little, if any, influence on that battle. You dig? Yep, I diggity dig it. But that's a different issue that can be fixed. Also, it impacts everyone the same. I'm almost positive everyone gets into those matches. I was just explaining that if I was running one of these businesses in Dust 514--or the EvE universe--I would pay attention to wins/losses. I wouldn't want to hear excuses because, again, everyone is handed the same issue of being put into crap matches. Actually solo or two man squads are much more likely to get this issue. If you always run with a full squad it almost never happens. Full squad? I don't even remember what that's like.

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10	Posted - 2015.05.19 15:21:00 - [31] - Quote kiarbanor wrote: Full squad? I don't even remember what that's like. Elbows and sweat everywhere, wildly flailing around the blue donuts like a pack of chimps after a wounded marmoset. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 554	Posted - 2015.05.19 15:23:00 - [32] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: kiarbanor wrote: Full squad? I don't even remember what that's like. Elbows and sweat everywhere, wildly flailing around the blue donuts like a pack of chimps after a wounded marmoset. Sounds like my house, trying to get my kids to bed.


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