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m33t3y
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Posted - 2015.05.15 12:02:00 -
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The rail rifle is supposed to have the longest range but, plainly put, doesn't. I die all the time as a caldari assault even when putting 100 -200 yards between my target. Its usually an assault rifle or scrambler rifle. Why not put sharp shooter on RR if thats the RR thing? P.s. I have maxed out proficiency in RR . |
TooMany Names AlreadyTaken
Going for the gold
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Posted - 2015.05.15 12:10:00 -
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The Caldari Assault should have the same Rifle bonus the Gallente does... not the stupid reload bonus.
RR range is at about 80-85m. |
Russel Mendoza
7th air cav
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Posted - 2015.05.15 12:49:00 -
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its a freaking load of bs, it suppose to have the longest range, but, it has the worst kick of all the rifles.
i love the rail rifle even though they made a mockery out of it.
i once went 38/0 until they nerf the damn thing.
back in 1.8 or 1.9.
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LUGMOS
Corrosive Synergy
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Posted - 2015.05.15 13:00:00 -
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The kick makes sense, but the shake... Even when it isn't kicking, the sight shakes sooooo bad... It hurts.
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jordy mack
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Posted - 2015.05.15 13:49:00 -
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try using meters not yards.... might help.
kidding, i agree its a bit hard with all the shakiing to even see who ur shooting most times.
id rather it slowly kick up with each shot, so i would have to keep adjusting my aim, at least u could use the range and the scope without going epileptic.
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P14GU3
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Posted - 2015.05.15 14:09:00 -
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If you are getting beat by an AR (even TAC) in RR optimal, you are bad, and should feel bad. Get Gud Scrubs. RR is still 10x better than AR, even with the ridiculous shake.
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sir RAVEN WING
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Posted - 2015.05.15 16:02:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:If you are getting beat by an AR (even TAC) in RR optimal, you are bad, and should feel bad. Get Gud Scrubs. RR is still 10x better than AR, even with the ridiculous shake.
Well...
The Rail Rifle and Assault Rifle (Regular variants) are just as useful as each other in their ranges.
However, the TAR extends it's range, and the ARR is still horrid at CQC.
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7th Son 7
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.15 16:25:00 -
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m33t3y wrote:The rail rifle is supposed to have the longest range but, plainly put, doesn't. I die all the time as a caldari assault even when putting 100 -200 yards between my target. Its usually an assault rifle or scrambler rifle. Why not put sharp shooter on RR if thats the RR thing? P.s. I have maxed out proficiency in RR .
The RR really benefits from upgrading the prof, with the RR being one of the most powerful weopons the shake/dispersion is a fair trade off imo. I've also found Gallente is able to use the RR quite well, so if you're looking for a little more survivability try it on a Gal Assault, it's really important to practice and get timing and everything down too.
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Vesta Opalus
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.15 16:31:00 -
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m33t3y wrote:The rail rifle is supposed to have the longest range but, plainly put, doesn't. I die all the time as a caldari assault even when putting 100 -200 yards between my target. Its usually an assault rifle or scrambler rifle. Why not put sharp shooter on RR if thats the RR thing? P.s. I have maxed out proficiency in RR .
Rail rifle doesnt have a significant range advantage over the scrambler rifle, and it certainly doesnt have a dps advantage.
Rail rifle also has **** handling and starts bouncing all over the place for some reason, while the scrambler is ridiculously accurate and has no charge mechanic to deal with to drop the accumulating kick.
Just use a different rifle, and a different dropsuit, these things are not going to be fixed any time soon, Ive been talking about how **** the rail rifle is for months now.
Edit: seriously stop using it, drops in usage are one of the things CCP looks at to kick off investigation into balance, if you keep using this weapon regardless of how bad it is, it is much less likely they will actually decide to fix it. |
Mejt0
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.05.15 18:38:00 -
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CCP has no idea how long range rifle should work.
It should have little kick/recoil when aiming.
But when trying to hip fire, it should act like a wild horse.
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2Berries
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.05.15 19:56:00 -
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It is frustrating getting outdamaged by a combat rifle at 80m. Start spitting rounds at what should be your optimal only for the red to turn around & gank you outside of their optimal.
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Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.05.15 20:00:00 -
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m33t3y wrote:The rail rifle is supposed to have the longest range but, plainly put, doesn't. I die all the time as a caldari assault even when putting 100 -200 yards between my target. Its usually an assault rifle or scrambler rifle. Why not put sharp shooter on RR if thats the RR thing? P.s. I have maxed out proficiency in RR .
I just got a Quafe RR BPO, and with no levels into that gun I was dropping people at range with no trouble. Now that I have level 3 in it, it's even better.
Stop whining. It got changed because it dominated every fight, and now it's perfectly fine as it is.
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Cat Merc
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Posted - 2015.05.15 20:05:00 -
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sir RAVEN WING wrote:P14GU3 wrote:If you are getting beat by an AR (even TAC) in RR optimal, you are bad, and should feel bad. Get Gud Scrubs. RR is still 10x better than AR, even with the ridiculous shake. Well... The Rail Rifle and Assault Rifle (Regular variants) are just as useful as each other in their ranges. However, the TAR extends it's range, and the ARR is still horrid at CQC.
TAR's kick makes it inferior to SCR, and the ARR is perfectly fine in CQC. Not the best, but serviceable.
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Vesta Opalus
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
707
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Posted - 2015.05.15 20:20:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:m33t3y wrote:The rail rifle is supposed to have the longest range but, plainly put, doesn't. I die all the time as a caldari assault even when putting 100 -200 yards between my target. Its usually an assault rifle or scrambler rifle. Why not put sharp shooter on RR if thats the RR thing? P.s. I have maxed out proficiency in RR . I just got a Quafe RR BPO, and with no levels into that gun I was dropping people at range with no trouble. Now that I have level 3 in it, it's even better. Stop whining. It got changed because it dominated every fight, and now it's perfectly fine as it is.
It got nerfed too much, just like the ASCR was buffed too much just recently |
Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.05.15 20:25:00 -
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Vesta Opalus wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:m33t3y wrote:The rail rifle is supposed to have the longest range but, plainly put, doesn't. I die all the time as a caldari assault even when putting 100 -200 yards between my target. Its usually an assault rifle or scrambler rifle. Why not put sharp shooter on RR if thats the RR thing? P.s. I have maxed out proficiency in RR . I just got a Quafe RR BPO, and with no levels into that gun I was dropping people at range with no trouble. Now that I have level 3 in it, it's even better. Stop whining. It got changed because it dominated every fight, and now it's perfectly fine as it is. It got nerfed too much, just like the ASCR was buffed too much just recently
The ONLY thing the Rail Rifle is bad at is CQC, which is to be expected based on how powerful it is at range.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.05.15 21:40:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:CCP has no idea how long range rifle should work.
It should have little kick/recoil when aiming.
But when trying to hip fire, it should act like a wild horse.
Physics doesn't work the way you think it works.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Alam Storm
G0DS AM0NG MEN
New Eden's Heros
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Posted - 2015.05.15 21:54:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:If you are getting beat by an AR (even TAC) in RR optimal, you are bad, and should feel bad. Get Gud Scrubs. RR is still 10x better than AR, even with the ridiculous shake.
unless the AR player is winin 40 metres of you :D |
sir RAVEN WING
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Posted - 2015.05.15 22:00:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:sir RAVEN WING wrote:P14GU3 wrote:If you are getting beat by an AR (even TAC) in RR optimal, you are bad, and should feel bad. Get Gud Scrubs. RR is still 10x better than AR, even with the ridiculous shake. Well... The Rail Rifle and Assault Rifle (Regular variants) are just as useful as each other in their ranges. However, the TAR extends it's range, and the ARR is still horrid at CQC. TAR's kick makes it inferior to SCR, and the ARR is perfectly fine in CQC. Not the best, but serviceable.
Yes, the TAR is inferior to the ScR.
The ARR's kick is horrid.
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Mejt0
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.05.16 14:13:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Mejt0 wrote:CCP has no idea how long range rifle should work.
It should have little kick/recoil when aiming.
But when trying to hip fire, it should act like a wild horse. Physics doesn't work the way you think it works.
Do you know that we're talking about game, not IRL?
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Stefan Stahl
Seituoda Taskforce Command
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Posted - 2015.05.16 15:12:00 -
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One general point I'd like to add is that in my opinion handling should never be used to balance performance.
The base idea is that - since this is a game - using any weapon or equipment should be enjoyable. This is mostly the case - except for the RR. It just isn't fun to use due to the ridiculous kick. Even if it can be used competitively - it's a chore.
I'd much rather have a reduced kick - even while hipfiring - and trade that for another 3% DPS. Once the DPS split to the other rifles is large enough that automatically forces the RR out of CQC and achieves the same thing - all that while being fun to use. |
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.05.16 15:17:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Mejt0 wrote:CCP has no idea how long range rifle should work.
It should have little kick/recoil when aiming.
But when trying to hip fire, it should act like a wild horse. Physics doesn't work the way you think it works. Do you know that we're talking about game, not IRL?
You do realize that suspension of disbelief is a critical aspect to a good fantasy or scifi game?
Otherwise it comes off WRONG.
But I've said it before. Dispersion is good (to a point) for long range weapons and recoil for short range. But we have high recoil at long range and high dispersion in close.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Tebu Gan
Capital Acquisitions LLC
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Posted - 2015.05.16 16:27:00 -
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TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote:The Caldari Assault should have the same Rifle bonus the Gallente does... not the stupid reload bonus.
RR range is at about 80-85m.
That kick is just atrocious. Makes it impossible to actually hit anything at range. Which is why the Arr is king in my book. That higher ROF helps mitigate that terrible kick.
And that bonus to reload is just utterly ridiculous. Yea, so you won't be killing anything in a single clip at range so you will probably need better reload speed so you can keep shooting bullets at the target until they finally pop. It's like the worst bonus of the assaults.
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Vesta Opalus
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.16 18:57:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Vesta Opalus wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:m33t3y wrote:The rail rifle is supposed to have the longest range but, plainly put, doesn't. I die all the time as a caldari assault even when putting 100 -200 yards between my target. Its usually an assault rifle or scrambler rifle. Why not put sharp shooter on RR if thats the RR thing? P.s. I have maxed out proficiency in RR . I just got a Quafe RR BPO, and with no levels into that gun I was dropping people at range with no trouble. Now that I have level 3 in it, it's even better. Stop whining. It got changed because it dominated every fight, and now it's perfectly fine as it is. It got nerfed too much, just like the ASCR was buffed too much just recently The ONLY thing the Rail Rifle is bad at is CQC, which is to be expected based on how powerful it is at range.
Except that its terrible at long range too, and is far outperformed by the tactical scrambler and the laser rifle. |
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