DUST Search - Eliminating Redundant Assets: Power Core Slot

Dragonet Minamoto wrote:

Avallo Kantor wrote:

Robert Conway wrote:

How would Officer suits work due to their unique style?

Officer dropsuits have unique slot configurations. Powercores (as proposed) do not have the ability to modify slot layout. As such, Officer Dropsuits would still be separate.

Powercores, as currently described, only enhance PG/CPU layout, which in combination with a 'teiricide' effort would effectively reduce the number of dropsuits from 120 down to a handful.

Brilliant idea. But why couldn't certain power cores not also unlock slots. I mean the dropsuit could already have all slots coded into, but they are "offline" until powered up by a certain power core. So a prototype power core gives + x power grid, + x CPU and power, +1 additional high slot etc. You could easily argue that with lower power cores, the suit can't handle all slots filled.

Sounds viable to me without complicating the whole approach too much. But even the original idea would be much better than what we have now!

WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.


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Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8765	Posted - 2015.05.15 03:22:00 - [1] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Taking an idea from Avallo Kantor and expanding it. Currently we have 120 unique base suits. 5 roles 4 races 3 tiers 3 variants aurum and ISK and LP Compounded together is 180. The SKIN system looks to eliminate redundant assets of BPO's, but let's take it a step further. Give all suits the slot layout of their prototype, then add a power core slot similar to the SKIN slot. The power core would add the tier appropriate CPU and PG. Suits would cost the same as standard, and then power cores will cost the equivalent difference in tier costs. There will also be aurum cores and LP cores unlocked early. Now you have 5 roles 4 races nothing else Compounded is 20 unique suits You just shaved off 160 suits from the memory cap. Even more if you do this to basic suits as well. This idea is goddamn brilliant, by the way. you and Avallo have a good thing here. And it's a damn sight more simple to pull off than my ideas. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8767	Posted - 2015.05.15 08:34:00 - [2] - Quote Let's let rattati get the basic concepts working before we get too hyperactive about the potential uses for this. After all, once this concept goes live that's a buncha BPO conversions and basic cores in pockets to replace what we have now. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8774	Posted - 2015.05.15 11:39:00 - [3] - Quote Dragonet Minamoto wrote: Avallo Kantor wrote: Robert Conway wrote: How would Officer suits work due to their unique style? Officer dropsuits have unique slot configurations. Powercores (as proposed) do not have the ability to modify slot layout. As such, Officer Dropsuits would still be separate. Powercores, as currently described, only enhance PG/CPU layout, which in combination with a 'teiricide' effort would effectively reduce the number of dropsuits from 120 down to a handful. Brilliant idea. But why couldn't certain power cores not also unlock slots. I mean the dropsuit could already have all slots coded into, but they are "offline" until powered up by a certain power core. So a prototype power core gives + x power grid, + x CPU and power, +1 additional high slot etc. You could easily argue that with lower power cores, the suit can't handle all slots filled. Sounds viable to me without complicating the whole approach too much. But even the original idea would be much better than what we have now! Because getting rid of slot progression is the point WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8774	Posted - 2015.05.15 11:50:00 - [4] - Quote Clone D wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: You just shaved off 160 suits from the memory cap. Even more if you do this to basic suits as well. Mind Blown. I am going to spreadsheet some stuff. I'm glad that you're playing around with this idea, but Christ, the dev team couldn't figure this one out? Check out the concept of normalization, give your team a briefing and then reduce redundancy in the product. Watch performance sky rocket! Good luck, Rattati. You can do it, buddy! There's a reason Rattati's Door has a disclaimer sign on it: "It Was Like That When I Got Here!" WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8784	Posted - 2015.05.15 15:36:00 - [5] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: kiarbanor wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: I'm going to flat out say no the APEX being advanced cores. There must be a better way. Yeah, I can't think of one. I know the standard BPO modules that can't be put on any other suit will not be enough. So, there has to be something else I'm not thinking. As of right now with this idea, the only difference between a standard BPO and an Apex BPO are the standard BPO modules/weapons. Let's say you use standard non-BPO modules/weapons on a standard BPO. How much would that cost? Like 20k ISK? That's not enough to justify the time or money spent on Apex's. The inherent problem here is APEX suits were designed without tiericide in mind, and by introducing tiericide is hard to fix APEX suits. This will be on my mind all day, I'd like to find a solution without scrapping them and giving refunds. True tiericide and the elimination of about 140 discrete suits from the arsenal means there's potential room for a few nonstandard setups and specialist suits that behave in a manner not identical to other dropsuits of the same type. LP dropsuits could potentially set the gold standard for that tier gap between standard dropsuits and officer fits. Doesn't necessarily mean they'd have a better power core (unless you buy one with LP) WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8830	Posted - 2015.05.16 14:22:00 - [6] - Quote Already been confirmed that dynamic activation of slots is impossible. Has to do with how the code is set up. I suggested that months ago. Besides, we want to level the playing field with new players, not keep the status quo. DUST needs competitive options at all levels. Right now newbros are competitive pop up dummies that get farmed for WP. I'm pretty sure having a KDR per match higher than 0.2 is bragging right materiel. Skills will make up the difference. Protostompers will still be a thing. They just wont have a clear edge over all of the plebes who don't have billions of ISK for running lroto 24/7. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8830	Posted - 2015.05.16 14:35:00 - [7] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Already been confirmed that dynamic activation of slots is impossible. Has to do with how the code is set up. I suggested that months ago. Oh, that sound strange...do you remember in which thread it has been said? Biomassed chats while spitballing ideas for tiericide and finding out that some info isn't actually NDA. You're more likely to get at some of it if you don't preface your demand for information with "(insert dev/cpm) iis an incompetent sh*tlord." I also note that when information is actually shared, a response of "I refuse to believe that" is not an uncommon response. Thank you all of the asshats doing this so I have to use a pair of pliers and a blowtorch to extract even basic information from people. Alternatively, one could posit a question requesting a cpm response rather than demanding dev attention. They're usually fairly forthcoming when the answer is not NDA. Except Soraya. Assume anything he says is a troll until verified by a third party. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8831	Posted - 2015.05.16 14:58:00 - [8] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: I also note that when information is actually shared, a response of "I refuse to believe that" is not an uncommon response. Thank you all of the asshats doing this so I have to use a pair of pliers and a blowtorch to extract even basic information from people. I'm not saying I refuse to believe that, I was simply looking for more information on why it shouldn't be doable. A technical answer, if you prefer, because it should work, for what I know about scripting. And if it doesn't I'd love to know why, since I'm the kind of person that loves to learn new things. Assume when I say "you asshats" that I am making a generalized statement. The asshats guilty of the crimes know who they are. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.05.25 16:35:00 - [9] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Amarr = CRUSADER????????????!!!!!!!!!!??????????????!!!!!!!! Crusader was the original concept name for commander dropsuits, things that were to provide squad/team-wide bonuses as buffs. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.07.30 11:54:00 - [10] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: So is this still happening or what? Power cores have not been canceled. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.