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SoTa PoP
Negative-Feedback.
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Posted - 2015.05.10 18:34:00 -
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Just because you can eventually in 6 months get to where 100 bucks got somewhere else, giving him bonuses to ISK, experimental gear productions, and even a built in damage mod turning STD gear into better then ADV, does not mean it's not completely designed with payers to come out on top in mind for having spent more.
No other aspect of Dust is even close to P2W as the Warbarge.
n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
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Twelve Guage
Random Gunz
Rise Of Legion.
586
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Posted - 2015.05.10 18:42:00 -
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Your right and that is why I'm still throwing money at dust right now.
Now if you would excuse me I got a twenty I need to burn dust style.
Sandwich maker LVL. 5
You've been like by Twelve Gauge = her grabbing your @$$.
My like button is back. C:<
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SoTa PoP
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.05.10 18:44:00 -
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Twelve Guage wrote:Your right and that is why I'm still throwing money at dust right now.
Now if you would excuse me I got I twenty I need to burn dust style.
lol
n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.05.10 18:45:00 -
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But, SoTa
Pay-to-win is only when you can buy something that I can't get in game. It doesn't matter how hard it is to attain, just that I can get it at all is what makes it not pay-to-win.
-Lounges on 'Quafe' couch in my quarters, sipping 'Quafe' while everyone else has to grind for months just to get the 'Quafe' straw.-
You guys are like a broken record with this "CPM material" business xD Let it go
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Twelve Guage
Random Gunz
Rise Of Legion.
586
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Posted - 2015.05.10 18:47:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:But, SoTa
Pay-to-win is only when you can buy something that I can't get in game. It doesn't matter how hard it is to attain, just that I can get it at all is what makes it not pay-to-win.
-Lounges on 'Quafe' couch in my quarters, sipping 'Quafe' while everyone else has to grind for months just to get the 'Quafe' straw.-
This guy right here understands it perfectly. 
Sandwich maker LVL. 5
You've been like by Twelve Gauge = her grabbing your @$$.
My like button is back. C:<
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VAHZZ
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Posted - 2015.05.10 19:05:00 -
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***** I'm fabulous, I get fat stacks of components. I don't need to pay for that shi, now excuse me while I kick it in my Serpentis quarters. #ScaleLyfe
"I bring nothing; I bless nothing, I save nothing, I just; erase. Completely. Shatter."
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2015.05.10 19:06:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:But, SoTa
Pay-to-win is only when you can buy something that I can't get in game. It doesn't matter how hard it is to attain, just that I can get it at all is what makes it not pay-to-win.
-Lounges on 'Quafe' couch in my quarters, sipping 'Quafe' while everyone else has to grind for months just to get the 'Quafe' straw.-
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VAHZZ
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Posted - 2015.05.10 19:09:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:But, SoTa
Pay-to-win is only when you can buy something that I can't get in game. It doesn't matter how hard it is to attain, just that I can get it at all is what makes it not pay-to-win.
-Lounges on 'Quafe' couch in my quarters, sipping 'Quafe' while everyone else has to grind for months just to get the 'Quafe' straw.- http://katahu.deviantart.com/art/Ah-cozy-346854904
THOSE BASTARDS!!!
"I bring nothing; I bless nothing, I save nothing, I just; erase. Completely. Shatter."
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Regis Blackbird
DUST University
Ivy League
860
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Posted - 2015.05.10 19:13:00 -
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I don't mind passive stuff like ISK, SP or even the experimental factory...but I dislike anything that give an advantage in-match (like the Damage modifier). I just hope they don't go further into that rabbit hole when they add more modules. |
JIMvc2
Consolidated Dust
1016
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Posted - 2015.05.10 19:14:00 -
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Like when the quafe Assault dropsuits released = Nope.
Then the Toxin BPO was back = Bought it :D
When the quafe scouts released = Bought Caldari
Then a week later the Heavies released and bought the Minmatar heavy = :D
Then on December bought the Veteran pack for $23 = BEST DEAL!!!
(Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! Die YOU SHADOW BEING IN THE DARK!!!
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Twelve Guage
Random Gunz
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.05.10 19:21:00 -
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Regis Blackbird wrote:I don't mind passive stuff like ISK, SP or even the experimental factory...but I dislike anything that give an advantage in-match (like the Damage modifier). I just hope they don't go further into that rabbit hole when they add more modules.
What's that C.C.P. can't hear over all the money they made off of people like me.
Just being honest with ya that rabbit whole only gets deeper and C.C.P. intends to
find out just how deep it is.
Sandwich maker LVL. 5
You've been like by Twelve Gauge = her grabbing your @$$.
My like button is back. C:<
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.05.10 19:22:00 -
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If you take the carrot away from DUST, then it's just a stick.
This thread is now a dance party
~ Dances Boldly ~
DUST STUFF
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Gregor stormwalker
Closed Beta Retirement Home
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Posted - 2015.05.10 19:31:00 -
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The Warbarge its self is not the problem its buying components, they should have kept the old booster philosophy ie. 100 AUR = %50 module production for the day (or something like that).
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Criteria Shipment
The Hundred Acre Hood
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.05.10 19:32:00 -
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This forum feels... bribed |
Scheneighnay McBob
And the ButtPirates
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Posted - 2015.05.10 20:01:00 -
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While I approve of paying for **** in Dust, I'm not a fan of the warbarge either, and feel uncomfortable spending my leftover AUR on components.
Some details can be ignored
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PADDEHATPIGEN
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
205
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Posted - 2015.05.10 21:34:00 -
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It's not pay to win, it's pay to get a head start, there is a big difference. |
LOL KILLZ
LulKlz
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Posted - 2015.05.10 21:39:00 -
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Excuse me while I enjoy my 4% damage increase and 6-8 weapon production.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
6233
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Posted - 2015.05.10 21:51:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:But, SoTa
Pay-to-win is only when you can buy something that I can't get in game. It doesn't matter how hard it is to attain, just that I can get it at all is what makes it not pay-to-win.
-Lounges on 'Quafe' couch in my quarters, sipping 'Quafe' while everyone else has to grind for months just to get the 'Quafe' straw.-
Sorta, I mean I agree that the "pay to get it faster" is perfectly acceptable, but there is also a matter of degree to consider.
As an absurd example "Pay $10 and get it now, or grind it out for 3 years" is obviously not acceptable. Now I think there have been a lot of improvements in terms of allowing players to generate components through battles and missions, but I've been going with the "No AUR" approach to Warbarge leveling and holy **** is it painfully long in comparison to just buying the components.
Most of the Warbarge doesn't bother me too much, but it's the in-game advantages *glares at Damage Bonus* that really facilitated the Pay to Win argument. So while I don't think the current system is terrible per say, I do lean more towards the fact that you still level it a bit too slowly in comparison to the AUR option.
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Droopy Bawlz
myrtle beach leap frogz
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Posted - 2015.05.10 22:17:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Just because you can eventually in 6 months get to where 100 bucks got somewhere else, giving him bonuses to ISK, experimental gear productions, and even a built in damage mod turning STD gear into better then ADV, does not mean it's not completely designed with payers to come out on top in mind for having spent more.
No other aspect of Dust is even close to P2W as the Warbarge.
You know what is pay to win right now,,,,,them boxes and keys you can buy. Them sh1tz is off the chain. I have picked up so many bpo's that will be for sale. Dem boxes be op yo. |
JIMvc2
Consolidated Dust
1016
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Posted - 2015.05.10 22:24:00 -
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Every 2 days I redeem my 400 components and I waste those for the Experimental weapons/dropsuits.
Those keys I save them and heck I have 7 in my alt with not many boxes so yep. Its not pay to win.
Only a dummy would spend AUR on those Components. If you like to spend then that's your choice.
(Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! Die YOU SHADOW BEING IN THE DARK!!!
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
9993
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Posted - 2015.05.10 22:27:00 -
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It takes longer than I would prefer for F2Players to level up their warbarges, I'll admit that. It isn't P2W though, it's Pay To Get Faster. Components drop in EoM salvage, can be earned from missions, and found in strongboxes opened with keys earned from daily missions (i.e. no cost to the player).
On a semi-related note: would be nice if strongboxes dropped warbarge components more often.
@Ripley_Riley
"Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
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JIMvc2
Consolidated Dust
1016
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Posted - 2015.05.10 22:33:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:It takes longer than I would prefer for F2Players to level up their warbarges, I'll admit that. It isn't P2W though, it's Pay To Get Faster. Components drop in EoM salvage, can be earned from missions, and found in strongboxes opened with keys earned from daily missions (i.e. no cost to the player).
On a semi-related note: would be nice if strongboxes dropped warbarge components more often.
I got 1490 in my alt by opening ONE box. Then 520 more from the daily mission. The most I've gotton were 2222 from a Box = :D
(Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! Die YOU SHADOW BEING IN THE DARK!!!
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
7413
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Posted - 2015.05.10 23:30:00 -
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Of course they are. They're Caldari.
(Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
9993
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Posted - 2015.05.10 23:39:00 -
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JIMvc2 wrote:I got 1490 in my alt by opening ONE box. Then 520 more from the daily mission. The most I've gotton were 2222 from a Box = :D Since Warlords 1.1 I have been opening boxes in groups of 10. Nothing is quite as satisfying as opening 10 boxes and two of them containing 500+ warbarge components.
@Ripley_Riley
"Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
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Aeon Amadi
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.05.11 00:45:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:JIMvc2 wrote:I got 1490 in my alt by opening ONE box. Then 520 more from the daily mission. The most I've gotton were 2222 from a Box = :D Since Warlords 1.1 I have been opening boxes in groups of 10. Nothing is quite as satisfying as opening 10 boxes and two of them containing 500+ warbarge components.
You know what's more satisfying than that?
Paying $3 and getting 12,000 warbarge components.
You guys are like a broken record with this "CPM material" business xD Let it go
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general drake55
G.R.A.V.E
The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2015.05.11 01:04:00 -
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VAHZZ wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:But, SoTa
Pay-to-win is only when you can buy something that I can't get in game. It doesn't matter how hard it is to attain, just that I can get it at all is what makes it not pay-to-win.
-Lounges on 'Quafe' couch in my quarters, sipping 'Quafe' while everyone else has to grind for months just to get the 'Quafe' straw.- http://katahu.deviantart.com/art/Ah-cozy-346854904 THOSE BASTARDS!!!
Lol,I did not just see that,my eyes,They BURN!
fight for freedom and what's right,only you have the power to stop the madness.
>Rush at me trolls,I dare you!
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
2745
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Posted - 2015.05.11 01:04:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Just because you can eventually in 6 months get to where 100 bucks got somewhere else, giving him bonuses to ISK, experimental gear productions, and even a built in damage mod turning STD gear into better then ADV, does not mean it's not completely designed with payers to come out on top in mind for having spent more.
No other aspect of Dust is even close to P2W as the Warbarge.
Repeat after me: CCP Z iz our hidden master. We will not question CCP Z, for he knows what is best for New Eden.
See? It doesn't really hurt that much once you let go of what brought you here.
PSN: RationalSpark
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
2010
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Posted - 2015.05.11 01:12:00 -
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Not quite,
BUT in the case of damage mod it might very well be.
having a blanket damage bonus... It's just too much.
Disclaimer: I'm not QQing about what other people have. I've been enjoying the +6% damabonus since the third day of warbarges.
Looking at both sides of the coin.
Even Aurum one.
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