DUST Search - Concerning Wolverine

Balistyc Farshot wrote:

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:

You're entitled to your opinion, but I personally don't understand what's so special about Spiderman.

Spiderman is just another boring generic superhero; he gets powers in some immersion-breakingly stupid way (LOL radioactive spider, though most superheroes are equally ridiculous), decides to put on tights, and go around stopping crime and upholding a status quo.

DC and Marvel for the most part have been rehashing the same decades old garbage endlessly instead of using the comics medium to tell truly original and interesting stories worthy of literary respect. Even within the narrow constraints of the superhero genre, they could try to do things like exploring what real actually believable human beings would do with powers, and show all the moral complexities that it entails.

At least with X-men, there is a layer of persecuted minority and civil rights movement metaphor that makes things much more interesting.

I am restraining the inner fanboy here, but comics aren't generic, films are generic lately and they are barely scratching the surface of comics which pre-date movies.

If you think all super comics are generic, then you have been reading the wrong comics. The golden age comics and silver age ignored the problems of the superheros but go pick up the Ultimates. It is about the Avengers if they were real.

Capt America has survivor guilt and PTSD. He doesn't understand any technology and Tony Stark makes fun of him for it.
Tony Stark is a true drunk playboy who has commitment issues.
Banner/Hulk has issues with drugs, he takes downers to maintain his mellow and can't keep Betty in his life.
Antman is jealous of the other genius around him and has inferiority complex and takes it out on his wife.
The Wasp cheats on Antman because she is tired of him constantly being mad at her for distracting him, a pacifist hero, and angry at his place on the team.
This is a taste of their issues.
Or watch/read Watchmen. I would explain the plot but that will give things away.

Superheros have dimensions and depth, you just are focused on the billboard kid focused comics. Expand your reading or watching. Heck Playstation made the show Powers and then there was Heroes. Move away from main stays and you will see depth.

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Apocalyptic Destroyerr Shining Flame Amarr Empire 48	Posted - 2015.05.09 05:43:00 - [1] - Quote So, Hugh Jackman is finally hanging up his claws til the he's done with the Wolverine 3 movie.... I find this horrible. I can't see anyone else playing Wolverine.. Any of your opinions or thoughts ??
Jonny D Buelle Mors Effera 1365	Posted - 2015.05.09 05:45:00 - [2] - Quote This topic is more suites for the Locker Room not GD. Anyway I'm not too fussed. Today's special: PAIN Comes with a side of salads and mash potatoes.
Apocalyptic Destroyerr Shining Flame Amarr Empire 48	Posted - 2015.05.09 05:47:00 - [3] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: This topic is more suites for the Locker Room not GD. Anyway I'm not too fussed. Nobody visits the locker room.
Jonny D Buelle Mors Effera 1365	Posted - 2015.05.09 05:50:00 - [4] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote: Jonny D Buelle wrote: This topic is more suites for the Locker Room not GD. Anyway I'm not too fussed. Nobody visits the locker room. There are a lot of posts there that big to differ. Today's special: PAIN Comes with a side of salads and mash potatoes.
Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 664	Posted - 2015.05.09 05:54:00 - [5] - Quote Marvel is set to take over the production of Marvel movies from Sony. Just like Spider-Man, it is the perfect time to recast for Marvel's Avengers tie-in movies. I'm hoping they completely recast all the X-Men. Halli Berry sucks as storm. Death is a serious businessGÇª So is running a shoddy, half-baked game company.
Apocalyptic Destroyerr Shining Flame Amarr Empire 48	Posted - 2015.05.09 05:57:00 - [6] - Quote Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: Marvel is set to take over the production of Marvel movies from Sony. Just like Spider-Man, it is the perfect time to recast for Marvel's Avengers tie-in movies. I'm hoping they completely recast all the X-Men. Halli Berry sucks as storm. I just hope that when and if they recast wolverine they don't mess up like they did to that newer spiderman. That one is complete garbage.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 12399	Posted - 2015.05.09 06:04:00 - [7] - Quote Haven't we had enough movies with Jackman as Wolverine? X-men 1-2-3, Wolverine 1-2, X-men Days of Future Past. The character is not even that interesting as human being (generic tough guy loner), and the X-men movies don't need Wolverine. If Hugh Jackman is quitting the role, then I say good for him -- perhaps this means he can work on more interesting and serious roles (he was great in Darren Aronofky's The Fountain). Don't want to see someone else playing the role? Don't watch it. The standalone Wolverine movies are mediocre at best anyway. Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+
7th Son 7 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 988	Posted - 2015.05.09 06:06:00 - [8] - Quote Hugh Jackman's like 85 years old now, it's about that time. Only your complete and total awareness is needed, nothing else will do. ------------- OSHO
Jonny D Buelle Mors Effera 1368	Posted - 2015.05.09 06:34:00 - [9] - Quote 7th Son 7 wrote: Hugh Jackman's like 85 years old now, it's about that time. 46. He's one of the few Aussies that needs to be respected. Logibro and AC/DC are in that category too. Today's special: PAIN Comes with a side of salads and mash potatoes.
7th Son 7 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 989	Posted - 2015.05.09 06:36:00 - [10] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: 7th Son 7 wrote: Hugh Jackman's like 85 years old now, it's about that time. 46. He's one of the few Aussies that needs to be respected. Logibro and AC/DC are in that category too. Let's compromise, 58 Only your complete and total awareness is needed, nothing else will do. ------------- OSHO

Matius Indectus Shadow of the Raven 6	Posted - 2015.05.09 06:37:00 - [11] - Quote Oh god I hope they don't go the batman route and cast Ben Affleck If you can't read in between the lines, then what makes you think you can write?
hails8n DEATH BY DESTRUCTION 140	Posted - 2015.05.09 06:40:00 - [12] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote: Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: Marvel is set to take over the production of Marvel movies from Sony. Just like Spider-Man, it is the perfect time to recast for Marvel's Avengers tie-in movies. I'm hoping they completely recast all the X-Men. Halli Berry sucks as storm. I just hope that when and if they recast wolverine they don't mess up like they did to that newer spiderman. That one is complete garbage. They certainly will mess it up,because directors these days go for the most artsy latte lapping actors and have the most serious scripts. Just look at the Robocop remake, not 1 funny scene. Petition to ban the trainyard map.
Jonny D Buelle Mors Effera 1371	Posted - 2015.05.09 06:57:00 - [13] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote: Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: Marvel is set to take over the production of Marvel movies from Sony. Just like Spider-Man, it is the perfect time to recast for Marvel's Avengers tie-in movies. I'm hoping they completely recast all the X-Men. Halli Berry sucks as storm. I just hope that when and if they recast wolverine they don't mess up like they did to that newer spiderman. That one is complete garbage. I will admit that Andrew Garfield was the wrong actor. However keep in mind that Amazing Spider-Man is a different beast entirely compared to Spider-Man. And I'm not talking about movie wise. There are so many different versions, to name a few: Ultimate Spider-Man, Superior Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2099 the list goes on... Hell there's even one where Spider-Man (Peter Parker) gets shot by Punisher (He was trying to shot Captain America) and dies protecting Aunt May and Mary Jane from villains. He literally dies in Mary Jane's arms. Amazing Spider-Man is the longest run of the Spider-Man comic book series to date. Today's special: PAIN Comes with a side of salads and mash potatoes.
VAHZZ 1836	Posted - 2015.05.09 06:58:00 - [14] - Quote I don't give a **** about anything but Spider-man. They better cast a damn good kid as the new Spider-man or I'm gonna be all kinds of pissed. So pissed I probably wouldn't make it to the toilet. Spider-man is my all time favorite superhero, all the others can suck it. I like the idea they are going with now, casting a younger actor so to have him grow into the role like Peter grew into Spider-man, whatever you know what I mean. Oh, this was about Hugh Jackman? Meh. "I bring nothing; I bless nothing, I save nothing, I just; erase. Completely. Shatter."
Reign Omega T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 1493	Posted - 2015.05.09 07:19:00 - [15] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote: So, Hugh Jackman is finally hanging up his claws til the he's done with the Wolverine 3 movie.... I find this horrible. I can't see anyone else playing Wolverine.. Any of your opinions or thoughts ?? The Xmem movies are bad, the wolverine movies are bad. So good. Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 12400	Posted - 2015.05.09 07:48:00 - [16] - Quote VAHZZ wrote: I don't give a ** about anything but Spider-man. They better cast a damn good kid as the new Spider-man or I'm gonna be all kinds of pissed. So pissed I probably wouldn't make it to the toilet. Spider-man is my all time favorite superhero, all the others can suck it. I like the idea they are going with now, casting a younger actor so to have him grow into the role like Peter grew into Spider-man, whatever you know what I mean. Oh, this was about Hugh Jackman? Meh. You're entitled to your opinion, but I personally don't understand what's so special about Spiderman. Spiderman is just another boring generic superhero; he gets powers in some immersion-breakingly stupid way (LOL radioactive spider, though most superheroes are equally ridiculous), decides to put on tights, and go around stopping crime and upholding a status quo. DC and Marvel for the most part have been rehashing the same decades old garbage endlessly instead of using the comics medium to tell truly original and interesting stories worthy of literary respect. Even within the narrow constraints of the superhero genre, they could try to do things like exploring what real actually believable human beings would do with powers, and show all the moral complexities that it entails. At least with X-men, there is a layer of persecuted minority and civil rights movement metaphor that makes things much more interesting. Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+**
VAHZZ 1837	Posted - 2015.05.09 08:15:00 - [17] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: VAHZZ wrote: I don't give a **** about anything but Spider-man. They better cast a damn good kid as the new Spider-man or I'm gonna be all kinds of pissed. So pissed I probably wouldn't make it to the toilet. Spider-man is my all time favorite superhero, all the others can suck it. I like the idea they are going with now, casting a younger actor so to have him grow into the role like Peter grew into Spider-man, whatever you know what I mean. Oh, this was about Hugh Jackman? Meh. You're entitled to your opinion, but I personally don't understand what's so special about Spiderman. Spiderman is just another boring generic superhero; he gets powers in some immersion-breakingly stupid way (LOL radioactive spider, though most superheroes are equally ridiculous), decides to put on tights, and go around stopping crime and upholding a status quo. DC and Marvel for the most part have been rehashing the same decades old garbage endlessly instead of using the comics medium to tell truly original and interesting stories worthy of literary respect. Even within the narrow constraints of the superhero genre, they could try to do things like exploring what real actually believable human beings would do with powers, and show all the moral complexities that it entails. At least with X-men, there is a layer of persecuted minority and civil rights movement metaphor that makes things much more interesting. All superheroes are generic really. But really, Spider-man was my first comic I ever read when I was a kid, instantly loved it. "I bring nothing; I bless nothing, I save nothing, I just; erase. Completely. Shatter."
jerrmy12 kahoalii G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 1	Posted - 2015.06.10 13:26:00 - [18] - Quote VAHZZ wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: VAHZZ wrote: I don't give a **** about anything but Spider-man. They better cast a damn good kid as the new Spider-man or I'm gonna be all kinds of pissed. So pissed I probably wouldn't make it to the toilet. Spider-man is my all time favorite superhero, all the others can suck it. I like the idea they are going with now, casting a younger actor so to have him grow into the role like Peter grew into Spider-man, whatever you know what I mean. Oh, this was about Hugh Jackman? Meh. You're entitled to your opinion, but I personally don't understand what's so special about Spiderman. Spiderman is just another boring generic superhero; he gets powers in some immersion-breakingly stupid way (LOL radioactive spider, though most superheroes are equally ridiculous), decides to put on tights, and go around stopping crime and upholding a status quo. DC and Marvel for the most part have been rehashing the same decades old garbage endlessly instead of using the comics medium to tell truly original and interesting stories worthy of literary respect. Even within the narrow constraints of the superhero genre, they could try to do things like exploring what real actually believable human beings would do with powers, and show all the moral complexities that it entails. At least with X-men, there is a layer of persecuted minority and civil rights movement metaphor that makes things much more interesting. All superheroes are generic really. But really, Spider-man was my first comic I ever read when I was a kid, instantly loved it. did you say spiderman? Also, deadpool, that is all. Closed beta vet. Master troll. No lifer. Master lurker.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.06.10 13:56:00 - [19] - Quote Deadpool is a self-deprecating stab by a comic book company at the comic book industry. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
danthrax martin Bad Blueberries 381	Posted - 2015.06.10 14:05:00 - [20] - Quote I was partial to Groo the wanderer. Suicidal A/V Moron Suicidal Logi "All I wanted was a Pepsi!"

Balistyc Farshot MONSTER SYNERGY 211	Posted - 2015.06.10 14:27:00 - [21] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: VAHZZ wrote: I don't give a **** about anything but Spider-man. They better cast a damn good kid as the new Spider-man or I'm gonna be all kinds of pissed. So pissed I probably wouldn't make it to the toilet. Spider-man is my all time favorite superhero, all the others can suck it. I like the idea they are going with now, casting a younger actor so to have him grow into the role like Peter grew into Spider-man, whatever you know what I mean. Oh, this was about Hugh Jackman? Meh. You're entitled to your opinion, but I personally don't understand what's so special about Spiderman. Spiderman is just another boring generic superhero; he gets powers in some immersion-breakingly stupid way (LOL radioactive spider, though most superheroes are equally ridiculous), decides to put on tights, and go around stopping crime and upholding a status quo. DC and Marvel for the most part have been rehashing the same decades old garbage endlessly instead of using the comics medium to tell truly original and interesting stories worthy of literary respect. Even within the narrow constraints of the superhero genre, they could try to do things like exploring what real actually believable human beings would do with powers, and show all the moral complexities that it entails. At least with X-men, there is a layer of persecuted minority and civil rights movement metaphor that makes things much more interesting. I am restraining the inner fanboy here, but comics aren't generic, films are generic lately and they are barely scratching the surface of comics which pre-date movies. If you think all super comics are generic, then you have been reading the wrong comics. The golden age comics and silver age ignored the problems of the superheros but go pick up the Ultimates. It is about the Avengers if they were real. Capt America has survivor guilt and PTSD. He doesn't understand any technology and Tony Stark makes fun of him for it. Tony Stark is a true drunk playboy who has commitment issues. Banner/Hulk has issues with drugs, he takes downers to maintain his mellow and can't keep Betty in his life. Antman is jealous of the other genius around him and has inferiority complex and takes it out on his wife. The Wasp cheats on Antman because she is tired of him constantly being mad at her for distracting him, a pacifist hero, and angry at his place on the team. This is a taste of their issues. Or watch/read Watchmen. I would explain the plot but that will give things away. Superheros have dimensions and depth, you just are focused on the billboard kid focused comics. Expand your reading or watching. Heck Playstation made the show Powers and then there was Heroes. Move away from main stays and you will see depth. With the team chat gone, we need to really start leveraging the squad finder!
Vesta Opalus Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 791	Posted - 2015.06.10 17:05:00 - [22] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote: So, Hugh Jackman is finally hanging up his claws til the he's done with the Wolverine 3 movie.... I find this horrible. I can't see anyone else playing Wolverine.. Any of your opinions or thoughts ?? Good. Hopefully they will give closure to his character and never have him in a movie again. One of major problems with comics in my opinion is that characters are used and retconned and rebooted a million times until their stories are cluttered clusterfucks that are just too rediculous to have any fun reading.
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 6	Posted - 2015.06.10 17:12:00 - [23] - Quote The sentinel & and Dr.Strange are my favorite while Thor is my favorite classic hero from the golden age... Also Thor can beat hulk!!!! "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 12	Posted - 2015.06.10 18:09:00 - [24] - Quote Balistyc Farshot wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: You're entitled to your opinion, but I personally don't understand what's so special about Spiderman. Spiderman is just another boring generic superhero; he gets powers in some immersion-breakingly stupid way (LOL radioactive spider, though most superheroes are equally ridiculous), decides to put on tights, and go around stopping crime and upholding a status quo. DC and Marvel for the most part have been rehashing the same decades old garbage endlessly instead of using the comics medium to tell truly original and interesting stories worthy of literary respect. Even within the narrow constraints of the superhero genre, they could try to do things like exploring what real actually believable human beings would do with powers, and show all the moral complexities that it entails. At least with X-men, there is a layer of persecuted minority and civil rights movement metaphor that makes things much more interesting. I am restraining the inner fanboy here, but comics aren't generic, films are generic lately and they are barely scratching the surface of comics which pre-date movies. If you think all super comics are generic, then you have been reading the wrong comics. The golden age comics and silver age ignored the problems of the superheros but go pick up the Ultimates. It is about the Avengers if they were real. Capt America has survivor guilt and PTSD. He doesn't understand any technology and Tony Stark makes fun of him for it. Tony Stark is a true drunk playboy who has commitment issues. Banner/Hulk has issues with drugs, he takes downers to maintain his mellow and can't keep Betty in his life. Antman is jealous of the other genius around him and has inferiority complex and takes it out on his wife. The Wasp cheats on Antman because she is tired of him constantly being mad at her for distracting him, a pacifist hero, and angry at his place on the team. This is a taste of their issues. Or watch/read Watchmen. I would explain the plot but that will give things away. Superheros have dimensions and depth, you just are focused on the billboard kid focused comics. Expand your reading or watching. Heck Playstation made the show Powers and then there was Heroes. Move away from main stays and you will see depth. I should preface by listing what superhero things I liked: Thor movies (beautiful scifi/fantasy world, the central plot is about sons fighting for the love of a father. In the context of the world of Asgard, he's not actually a superhero). Watchmen (dark, unpredictable, and with more human flawed characters). Nolan's Batman movies (Really enjoyed the last 2. The way it was done made suspension of disbelief was easy, Nolan is good director, and story was entertaining). Heroes (I don't really remember much , and it kind of stagnated after a while, but it kept me wanting to see what would happen next. The best parts were the mystery and drama, and how it was done didn't feel like formulaic superhero. No silly costumes helped) X-men series. Saw X-men Evolution cartoon when I was a kid, most of the movies, and read some comics in a library. (large cast of characters, civil rights metaphor, hated and feared.) The example you bring up is more exception than it is the rule, but I will admit there are exceptions. That being said, no matter how much depth you add to it, it is still following a generic formula of some people (usually with powers) dressing up in silly costumes and fighting crime. The fact that this narrowly specific formula is a genre onto itself shows how generic that is. It's actually weird, and kind of ridiculous that such an oddly specific genre defines the medium in the minds of most. As a result, so many great stories are overlooked by most: Black Fire. soldiers stranded in Russia after Napoleon's failed invasion, they find an abandoned town, and supernatural horror ensues. The art was gorgeous (really great designs), the story was good, and it felt fresh for a horror story (even if you discount the intriguing period-piece aspect). Rat Queens. A foul-mouthed badass gang of lady adventurers in a fantasy world, and he story seamlessly blend drama, brutal action, and great comedy. Great characterization makes them feel like real people despite the setting, and its a great deconstruction of the genre. Saga. Not even going to try to explain it, I won't do it justice, so here is an article. East of West. Alternate reality future where civil war went differently, leading to the US splitting into 7. Stars the horseman of death, and its a great mix of futuristic scifi and prophetic fantasy. I've read Green Wake. People from all over time, all bound by regret, find themselves trapped in a strange town with no way out. It has a very disturbing creepy atmosphere, but not exactly a horror story. Y The Last Man. Something spreads and kills all the men on Earth, except for this one guy. He is found by this woman working for a covert government agency, and action and drama ensues. Sex Criminals. A woman who temporarily stops time when she orgasms meets a man with the same ability. They try to use their power to rob a bank to save her library from foreclosure. A funny, poignant, and intelligent discourse on sexuality and relationships. A ton more that I would exceed the character limit if I tried to describe. I realize that I'm not longer talking about genericness or lack thereof, but I the subject has got me thinking about how many great comics I think deserve to be part of the pubic consciousness, but simply aren't because the cultural space is occupied by rehashed superhero stories. I like some superhero stories (listed them), but they are way too dominant a cultural force, and undeservingly so. Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+
Templar XIII Vherokior Combat Logistics 202	Posted - 2015.06.10 19:32:00 - [25] - Quote When Hugh Jackman is done with Wolverine, they should cast Robert Pattinson or Jude Law for the role. KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Bla... Dammit Kagehoshi, now you made me really interested in these comics, will check them out as soon as possible.
golpe 4 Eternal Beings 39	Posted - 2015.06.10 19:56:00 - [26] - Quote the X-men movies stop being good after the second one im just a scrub here, to u know, do things helpful like ummm commenting,complaining,and giving terrible advice thats it
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 12	Posted - 2015.06.10 20:08:00 - [27] - Quote golpe 4 wrote: the X-men movies stop being good after the second one Days of Future Past was actually pretty good (critics concur), First Class as well. Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+
Blueprint For Murder Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 463	Posted - 2015.06.10 20:09:00 - [28] - Quote I never thought he fit the role he was such a little guy http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Wolverine-fan-art-2.jpg . I would have liked to see someone like randy couture play or at least someone with that body type. This is what he should look like http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/115620/2521593-32945-4250-36773-1-wolverine_super.jpg . And this is what happens when wolverine watched dare devil http://www.smashingmagazine.com/images/comic-art-covers/cover41.jpg Fast 6/1 - 6/30 Life $
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 7	Posted - 2015.06.10 23:45:00 - [29] - Quote I wish they stemmed from the classic heroes and went with others, such as the new Spiderman, Miles, from Ultimate Comics. You know, the black kid. I find good story very interesting. Well, I only read the first 3 volumes, but whatever. I also like the design of his suit.
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 6	Posted - 2015.06.11 00:02:00 - [30] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: I never thought he fit the role he was such a little guy http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Wolverine-fan-art-2.jpg . I would have liked to see someone like randy couture play or at least someone with that body type. This is what he should look like http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/115620/2521593-32945-4250-36773-1-wolverine_super.jpg . And this is what happens when wolverine watched dare devil http://www.smashingmagazine.com/images/comic-art-covers/cover41.jpg Fun fact, Wolverine is actually short AF "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."



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