KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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VAHZZ wrote:I don't give a **** about anything but Spider-man. They better cast a damn good kid as the new Spider-man or I'm gonna be all kinds of pissed. So pissed I probably wouldn't make it to the toilet.
Spider-man is my all time favorite superhero, all the others can suck it. I like the idea they are going with now, casting a younger actor so to have him grow into the role like Peter grew into Spider-man, whatever you know what I mean.
Oh, this was about Hugh Jackman? Meh.
You're entitled to your opinion, but I personally don't understand what's so special about Spiderman.
Spiderman is just another boring generic superhero; he gets powers in some immersion-breakingly stupid way (LOL radioactive spider, though most superheroes are equally ridiculous), decides to put on tights, and go around stopping crime and upholding a status quo.
DC and Marvel for the most part have been rehashing the same decades old garbage endlessly instead of using the comics medium to tell truly original and interesting stories worthy of literary respect. Even within the narrow constraints of the superhero genre, they could try to do things like exploring what real actually believable human beings would do with powers, and show all the moral complexities that it entails.
At least with X-men, there is a layer of persecuted minority and civil rights movement metaphor that makes things much more interesting.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2015.06.10 18:09:00 -
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Balistyc Farshot wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:
You're entitled to your opinion, but I personally don't understand what's so special about Spiderman.
Spiderman is just another boring generic superhero; he gets powers in some immersion-breakingly stupid way (LOL radioactive spider, though most superheroes are equally ridiculous), decides to put on tights, and go around stopping crime and upholding a status quo.
DC and Marvel for the most part have been rehashing the same decades old garbage endlessly instead of using the comics medium to tell truly original and interesting stories worthy of literary respect. Even within the narrow constraints of the superhero genre, they could try to do things like exploring what real actually believable human beings would do with powers, and show all the moral complexities that it entails.
At least with X-men, there is a layer of persecuted minority and civil rights movement metaphor that makes things much more interesting.
I am restraining the inner fanboy here, but comics aren't generic, films are generic lately and they are barely scratching the surface of comics which pre-date movies. If you think all super comics are generic, then you have been reading the wrong comics. The golden age comics and silver age ignored the problems of the superheros but go pick up the Ultimates. It is about the Avengers if they were real. Capt America has survivor guilt and PTSD. He doesn't understand any technology and Tony Stark makes fun of him for it. Tony Stark is a true drunk playboy who has commitment issues. Banner/Hulk has issues with drugs, he takes downers to maintain his mellow and can't keep Betty in his life. Antman is jealous of the other genius around him and has inferiority complex and takes it out on his wife. The Wasp cheats on Antman because she is tired of him constantly being mad at her for distracting him, a pacifist hero, and angry at his place on the team. This is a taste of their issues. Or watch/read Watchmen. I would explain the plot but that will give things away. Superheros have dimensions and depth, you just are focused on the billboard kid focused comics. Expand your reading or watching. Heck Playstation made the show Powers and then there was Heroes. Move away from main stays and you will see depth.
I should preface by listing what superhero things I liked:
Thor movies (beautiful scifi/fantasy world, the central plot is about sons fighting for the love of a father. In the context of the world of Asgard, he's not actually a superhero).
Watchmen (dark, unpredictable, and with more human flawed characters).
Nolan's Batman movies (Really enjoyed the last 2. The way it was done made suspension of disbelief was easy, Nolan is good director, and story was entertaining).
Heroes (I don't really remember much , and it kind of stagnated after a while, but it kept me wanting to see what would happen next. The best parts were the mystery and drama, and how it was done didn't feel like formulaic superhero. No silly costumes helped)
X-men series. Saw X-men Evolution cartoon when I was a kid, most of the movies, and read some comics in a library. (large cast of characters, civil rights metaphor, hated and feared.)
The example you bring up is more exception than it is the rule, but I will admit there are exceptions. That being said, no matter how much depth you add to it, it is still following a generic formula of some people (usually with powers) dressing up in silly costumes and fighting crime. The fact that this narrowly specific formula is a genre onto itself shows how generic that is.
It's actually weird, and kind of ridiculous that such an oddly specific genre defines the medium in the minds of most. As a result, so many great stories are overlooked by most:
Black Fire. soldiers stranded in Russia after Napoleon's failed invasion, they find an abandoned town, and supernatural horror ensues. The art was gorgeous (really great designs), the story was good, and it felt fresh for a horror story (even if you discount the intriguing period-piece aspect).
Rat Queens. A foul-mouthed badass gang of lady adventurers in a fantasy world, and he story seamlessly blend drama, brutal action, and great comedy. Great characterization makes them feel like real people despite the setting, and its a great deconstruction of the genre.
Saga. Not even going to try to explain it, I won't do it justice, so here is an article.
East of West. Alternate reality future where civil war went differently, leading to the US splitting into 7. Stars the horseman of death, and its a great mix of futuristic scifi and prophetic fantasy.
I've read Green Wake. People from all over time, all bound by regret, find themselves trapped in a strange town with no way out. It has a very disturbing creepy atmosphere, but not exactly a horror story.
Y The Last Man. Something spreads and kills all the men on Earth, except for this one guy. He is found by this woman working for a covert government agency, and action and drama ensues.
Sex Criminals. A woman who temporarily stops time when she orgasms meets a man with the same ability. They try to use their power to rob a bank to save her library from foreclosure. A funny, poignant, and intelligent discourse on sexuality and relationships.
A ton more that I would exceed the character limit if I tried to describe.
I realize that I'm not longer talking about genericness or lack thereof, but I the subject has got me thinking about how many great comics I think deserve to be part of the pubic consciousness, but simply aren't because the cultural space is occupied by rehashed superhero stories. I like some superhero stories (listed them), but they are way too dominant a cultural force, and undeservingly so.
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