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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2015.05.10 05:40:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:YOU KILLED KENNY wrote:
Although pokey there is no reason to be so rude, he is voicing a lot of thoughts that other players have or had (they don't play anymore). State your point and your evidence, nobody likes a smug prick.
Im sorry if I came off as rude. I was just informing him that his interpretation on that point was incorrect.
You weren't rude, dude. You called some **** like it is, straight and to the point.
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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2015.05.10 07:33:00 -
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As an addition to the history in here since open beta I'd like to add a little something about the choice of Sony. I've said all this before and will again.
1. Sony did back DUST and its release. It got PSStore headlining banner/trailer ads (where I saw it for the first time) as well as sold limited edition DUST branded PS3s in the EU. With an exclusive game and a potent marketing campaign DUST very much had the makings of Sony's own HALO initially.
2. Initially, at opening, EVElings populated the locals, not just to gawk but to help. My individual local had a number of capsuleers who had been a part of the closed portion of DUSTs development and they spent their time greeting noob dustmercs (like me) and explaining what they could as best they could. Granted this was before all the PC Master Race/ capsuleer/consoleer jibbajabba we're polluted with now. YES, things like "HTFU" and "Welcome to New Eden" were a part of that but at the end of the day we were all still just gamers gaming. Before all the ill feelings became ill will.
3. In the months prior to the Rouge Wedding as the forums, these forums, reached a feverpitch of discontent much of the existing dev group at the time
broke off from doing the fixing and patches and instead began programming a PC version of DUST for PC. This was the feature item for DUST at the Rouge Wedding, FF14. A new vision, DUST for PC. With bells and whistles, ice cream and cake.
Thing is, exclusive distribution contracts are explicit, legal things. Sony, being the largest media distributor in the world, in this is either the greatest friend or the worst entity possible to **** with. And post FF14 they were undeniably innundated with calls for refunds for money spent on this game by players who (rightfully) felt very ripped off at the idea of spending on a long-term game to have it be a PC game instead.
And SONY had the reality of their "exclusive" distro deal actually funding a competing product instead of supporting the one they agreed to distribute. NO, Sony doesn't "own" DUST (far as I know) but the Distribution Rights are a different matter.
TL;DR We're very lucky, VERY LUCKY any of us are here. Trash talk Sony all you want but realize they could have ended this dream entirely, in every worthwhile context, last year.
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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2015.05.10 22:37:00 -
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Matius Indectus wrote:
el OPERATOR the support sony gave was that of a father giving his infant son the Birds and the bees talk when he is trying to walk. It was not the support that was needed.
Point is tho that Sony gave the support they agreed to give. Just because your indie band signs a distribution deal with Sony does not obligate Sony to hire Rick Ruben to engineer and master your recordings. It will obligate your band however to deliver their album. And if your band suddenly decides to only ship half of those albums while sending the other half to a Sony competitor while sending Sony your solo albums to make up the physical difference in album counts, that's a breach. And grounds for some major legal action. It isn't Sonys fault DUST is on "life-support" because CCP dev members decided to run it off the road.
As it is Sony is still providing access to a stable distributive network of gamers across the agreed platform while also potentially allowing access to the 14million+ PS4 owners. A larger customer pool than MS/Xbox without CCP having to give up their server soverignty as Pokey described ^.
You want to talk about a Protostomp? Sony's legal team vs. CCP's in court after what created fanfest'14 came to light. Lucky for everyone Sony didn't decide to just sue CCP outright.
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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2015.05.10 22:50:00 -
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The Lion ElJonson wrote:what if i told you Dust 514 is still a Beta and Project Legion was the start of the finished product?
Problem there is that the two products are basically the same game in the same context and setting using the same graphical representations and imagery. Only one was developed with resource assets legally obligated to be elsewhere. Legion can be the greatest game ever seen but it won't matter if it isn't able to be distributed so that it can be seen .
If I open a Toyota dealership Toyota has to send me Toyotas. Not Scions, not Nissans, not Fords. And they have to supply them in the numbers and at the rates we agree to. And if I tell Toyota that I'll be their dealer and have them build my lot I don't get to park a couple of their cars out back under tarps while I cover every square inch of the new facility in Cadillacs.
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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2015.05.10 22:55:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:Matius Indectus wrote:
el OPERATOR the support sony gave was that of a father giving his infant son the Birds and the bees talk when he is trying to walk. It was not the support that was needed.
Point is tho that Sony gave the support they agreed to give. Just because your indie band signs a distribution deal with Sony does not obligate Sony to hire Rick Ruben to engineer and master your recordings. It will obligate your band however to deliver their album. And if your band suddenly decides to only ship half of those albums while sending the other half to a Sony competitor while sending Sony your solo albums to make up the physical difference in album counts, that's a breach. And grounds for some major legal action. It isn't Sonys fault DUST is on "life-support" because CCP dev members decided to run it off the road. As it is Sony is still providing access to a stable distributive network of gamers across the agreed platform while also potentially allowing access to the 14million+ PS4 owners. A larger customer pool than MS/Xbox without CCP having to give up their server soverignty as Pokey described ^. You want to talk about a Protostomp? Sony's legal team vs. CCP's in court after what created fanfest'14 came to light. Lucky for everyone Sony didn't decide to just sue CCP outright. Looooot of supposition in that second paragraph.
Last I checked Sony is still letting us play on PS3's. And yeah hopefully they'll allow us onto PS4. My money is on they do, but the bar for "proof of concept" was raised exponentially. Good news is DUST was profitable apparently. Hopefully the endless nerf/buff/fix/re-envision **** stops so it can stay that way.
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