KainNoBueno

I am, as I type, in a Domination match that started off with even teams; it was like 12 versus 11. Immediately an entire squad on the enemy team dropped out putting the match at 12 versus 5. Within another minute 4 other people dropped out of the enemy team.

Guess what happened two minutes later?

The final person on the enemy team dropped out.

I am currently playing a Domination match that is 12 versus 0.

This isn't CCP's fault. You people who drop out of matches right at the start are detrimental to the success of this game. You people need to get your **** together.

This is CCP's fault.

First, 12vs11 is not even.

Second, If people leave a battle, they need to fill it up especially if it happened right at the start.

Pre-MM changes this didn't happen. It was almost always 16vs16.
Post-MM changes people consider 12vs11 at the start good. What a joke.

I am, as I type, in a Domination match that started off with even teams; it was like 12 versus 11. Immediately an entire squad on the enemy team dropped out putting the match at 12 versus 5. Within another minute 4 other people dropped out of the enemy team.

Guess what happened two minutes later?

The final person on the enemy team dropped out.

I am currently playing a Domination match that is 12 versus 0.

This isn't CCP's fault. You people who drop out of matches right at the start are detrimental to the success of this game. You people need to get your **** together.

A one-person difference is not a game changer. 16 vs 15, 14 vs 13, etc...is not a problem.

And it would be much easier to have the matches fill back up quicker with players if there were more people in queue looking for matches.There could be a lot of people online playing this game who happen to already be engaged in a match. By the time their match ends and they choose to play another one should Scotty throw them into the match I was in with an MCC that has already sustained massive damage?

So you want to be thrown into matches that are halfway over, Ares? Curses on CCP if the games aren't full, curses on them if we get thrown into a match partway over... They just can't do anything right. Darn those pesky devs and their inability to put a perfect system in place that not only balances the matches but completely fills them up every single time. Darn them all to heck. It was definitely much better when we had que-synced squads against random blueberries fresh out of the academy.

Which should hopefully be fixed soon. I implore you to look back on your past matches for a moment though, just for a second. Did you ever check the bottom of the scoreboard on those matches? How many players did you see who, in spite of being there for most if not all of the match, did nothing but die the entire time, or did nothing at all? Was it a 16v16 before, or was it really 10-12 players on either side actually doing something? Matchmaking has put those newbies in their own bracket, we might not see full matches all the time, but that's because those players who were typically nothing but cannon fodder are no longer there.

So you want to be thrown into matches that are halfway over, Ares? Curses on CCP if the games aren't full, curses on them if we get thrown into a match partway over... They just can't do anything right. Darn those pesky devs and their inability to put a perfect system in place that not only balances the matches but completely fills them up every single time. Darn them all to heck. It was definitely much better when we had que-synced squads against random blueberries fresh out of the academy.

The key point is the battle started missing a 4/5 people on both sides when unless we've had a sudden huge player drop at the same time since the MM changes shouldn't happen. Second a squad left for who cares what reason at the start it was not replaced, never less the battle filled up.

The MM is so messed up it's funny. The attempts to say it isn't blow my mind.

MM is not starting with full battles.
MM is not filling up battles when players leave, even at the start.
MM is sometimes putting new players on the stacked side (i.e. 12 vs 9 and 2 players join so it's 14 vs 9 instead of 12 vs 11 as it should have done)

As far as I see it, the problem is players logic are flawed, not the matchmaker.

12 vs 11 is really quite even. Would it be a less fun game because it's not full?
People have been asking for 8vs8, 6vs6 or hell, even 1vs1 modes.

If no players with qualifying Mu scores are queuing at the time, what should the matchmaker do? Let them wait 10+ minutes, or perhaps better yet give a Scotty error? That is popular...
- Blame the Matchmaker

If a squad leaves at the beginning of the battle, what if there are no squads of equal size and strength queing just at that moment, just for that queue? Should it refill with solo players? What do you think the first solo player joining a loopsided game will do?
- Blame the Matchmaker

Should it refill contantly until the match end, with people joining with 2 ticks left on the MCC, or better yet just to see a flash of the match over screen? That was really popular, and produced quite a lot of threads before the update.
- But hell, blame the Matchmaker.

The sad fact is that people leave because they assume "they" won't have fun, and by doing so they guarantee the rest of the team won't either. Then they blame the matchmaker, which they didn't even give a chance of producing a enjoyable game.

We lived with a game since closed Beta which basically had NO matchmaking, producing some really bad habits along the way. One of them was the notion it's perfectly OK to leave battle if you didn't have fun (which at the time might have been the best cause of action). Now we apply the same logic as before, which totally destroys the logic when it occurs. Stick with it for a week or two, and see if it changes.

Its kind of sad. 12v1. That one person who doesn't leave the game and has to deal with 12 enemies.

I have been in plenty of 11 v 13 and 9 vs 11 matches that everyone stayed... and for the most part it wasn't fun.

These maps were designed with 32 vs 32 and even 64 vs 64 players in mind.

Last night I had a match that was 8 vs 8...

You just can't play a proper match on these huge maps with so little players...

This is due to the great distances you have to run to the objectives and the spawn timers.

Both create a problem for 8 guys trying to get to the objective since they are all spaced out.

Vehicles and uplinks don't help in this case as every vehicle player requires 2 or 3 guys to counter with AV if they are good and run Proto.

Uplinks are easily destroyed or camped if there is even only half your team (4 guys) running uplinks.

See this is the veteran queue, veterans have scans, veterans have proto tanks and proto scout suits and maxed out core skills for the most part.

Logi's and Heavies are starting to become extinct due to all the running required.

All I see anymore is AK.O Scrambler douchebags, Scouts, and Minmatar Assaults with what ever they want to run cuz... Minmatar Assault.

I am not having fun playing 8 vs 8, I can go to COD or BLOPS for that.

I play Dust because of the 16 vs 16 that I SETTLED on, I really wanted 32 vs 32... I was promised 32 vs 32.

And now I am lucky to get a 12 vs 12 match due to the queue starting the matches short handed and players leaving due to the imbalance.

As far as I see it, the problem is players logic are flawed, not the matchmaker.

12 vs 11 is really quite even. Would it be a less fun game because it's not full?
People have been asking for 8vs8, 6vs6 or hell, even 1vs1 modes.

If no players with qualifying Mu scores are queuing at the time, what should the matchmaker do? Let them wait 10+ minutes, or perhaps better yet give a Scotty error? That is popular...
- Blame the Matchmaker

If a squad leaves at the beginning of the battle, what if there are no squads of equal size and strength queing just at that moment, just for that queue? Should it refill with solo players? What do you think the first solo player joining a loopsided game will do?
- Blame the Matchmaker

Should it refill contantly until the match end, with people joining with 2 ticks left on the MCC, or better yet just to see a flash of the match over screen? That was really popular, and produced quite a lot of threads before the update.
- But hell, blame the Matchmaker.

The sad fact is that people leave because they assume "they" won't have fun, and by doing so they guarantee the rest of the team won't either. Then they blame the matchmaker, which they didn't even give a chance of producing a enjoyable game.

We lived with a game since closed Beta which basically had NO matchmaking, producing some really bad habits along the way. One of them was the notion it's perfectly OK to leave battle if you didn't have fun (which at the time might have been the best cause of action). Now we apply the same logic as before, which totally destroys the logic when it occurs. Stick with it for a week or two, and see if it changes.

That last guy that left isn't too bright, could've made a cool 500k for just being there.

Its kind of sad. 12v1. That one person who doesn't leave the game and has to deal with 12 enemies.

I have been in plenty of 11 v 13 and 9 vs 11 matches that everyone stayed... and for the most part it wasn't fun.

These maps were designed with 32 vs 32 and even 64 vs 64 players in mind.

Last night I had a match that was 8 vs 8...

You just can't play a proper match on these huge maps with so little players...

This is due to the great distances you have to run to the objectives and the spawn timers.

Both create a problem for 8 guys trying to get to the objective since they are all spaced out.

Vehicles and uplinks don't help in this case as every vehicle player requires 2 or 3 guys to counter with AV if they are good and run Proto.

Uplinks are easily destroyed or camped if there is even only half your team (4 guys) running uplinks.

See this is the veteran queue, veterans have scans, veterans have proto tanks and proto scout suits and maxed out core skills for the most part.

Logi's and Heavies are starting to become extinct due to all the running required.

All I see anymore is AK.O Scrambler douchebags, Scouts, and Minmatar Assaults with what ever they want to run cuz... Minmatar Assault.

I am not having fun playing 8 vs 8, I can go to COD or BLOPS for that.

I play Dust because of the 16 vs 16 that I SETTLED on, I really wanted 32 vs 32... I was promised 32 vs 32.

And now I am lucky to get a 12 vs 12 match due to the queue starting the matches short handed and players leaving due to the imbalance.