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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
Rebels New Republic The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2015.05.04 14:33:00 -
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I think a buff/nerf to the Bolt pistol is needed. I was fine when it first dropped aside from being broken at range a little. I think it was overbuffed IMHO, increased range, significant increased damage, decreased clip size. IMHO, tone down the damage back to first released status, keep the range, increase the clip size back to 6? i think it was.
PLEASE fix ferroscale plates so i can be a cheap bastard again.
Assault SCP. Why? Please buff the assault SCP back to its former glory. I think we all miss it.
SMGs. IMHO, decrease range of BSMG, the assault variant can have the range for decreased damage, regular variant will be the middleman.
Magsec. I like it i dont know why. But it doesn't have anything going for it accept that its the Caladari SMG and the reload is cool. I dont know how to fix it, it just seems to be there cause it can. Not saying i dont like it i just dont know where it stands.
I can see were the Caladari assault bonus could come in handy at times, just think a different bonus could work. Have no idea what else the bonus could be though. (Irony as stormtroopers in SW have the worst possible aim, and they have alot of high powered, extremely accurate weapons in DUST.)
Just my thoughts. Also in the mood for light reading as im not feeling well.
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Scheneighnay McBob
And the ButtPirates
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Posted - 2015.05.04 14:40:00 -
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I think the relationship of light weapons and sidearms needs to be improved. What we should be aiming for is like what's going on between the vanilla combat rifle and the minmatar SMG right now: the combat rifle is good at range, but inefficient in CQC, while the SMG is good in CQC but inefficient at range.
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
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Posted - 2015.05.04 14:41:00 -
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The bolt pistol went from having an effective dps of ~137 to actually being able to kill things. Spooling up between every shot wasn't intended and negatively impacted its rate of fire severely.
What's 'wrong' with ferroscale plates that need fixing. You haven't actually detailed what issue they're having, you're just expecting people to have some sort of crystal ball.
AScP was nerfed because it had DPS that allowed it to outdamage some rifles.
Why should the assault SMG have longer range? Assault weapons are supposed to be shorter range higher damage. Breach are supposed to be longer range, lower rof, lower dps.
Magsec could use a few tweaks, I find that it is almost too accurate at shorter ranges and it could use a bit more dispersion (it's essentially a snub-nosed rail with very short guiding armatures which should make it a bit less accurate). Another change that could really benefit it is having the bolt pistol sight it's meant to.
The caldari assault bonus is good, it just doesn't stand out particularly, there has been like 10 discussions about it and a lot of people support the idea of reduced kick as an additional bonus.
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
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Posted - 2015.05.04 14:49:00 -
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What's wrong with ferroscales? The only thing I was aware of was that the bonus doesn't apply since the update. Don't know if they fixed that yet.
We can't go back to the old AScP. We all know that was beyond OP.
Assault SMG: no. Assault weapons are low-range, high-RoF, while the Breach are the opposite.
Bolt Pistol is okay. It still deals a lot of damage, but it has 4 shots and is very slow.
Magsec does indeed need SOME type of buff, but you have to be very careful since it does a fair bit of damage.
Both the Caldari and the Gallente Assaults should have better bonuses. |
PARKOUR PRACTIONER
Rebels New Republic The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2015.05.04 14:49:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:The bolt pistol went from having an effective dps of ~137 to actually being able to kill things. Spooling up between every shot wasn't intended and negatively impacted its rate of fire severely.
What's 'wrong' with ferroscale plates that need fixing. You haven't actually detailed what issue they're having, you're just expecting people to have some sort of crystal ball.
AScP was nerfed because it had DPS that allowed it to outdamage some rifles.
Why should the assault SMG have longer range? Assault weapons are supposed to be shorter range higher damage. Breach are supposed to be longer range, lower rof, lower dps.
Magsec could use a few tweaks, I find that it is almost too accurate at shorter ranges and it could use a bit more dispersion (it's essentially a snub-nosed rail with very short guiding armatures which should make it a bit less accurate). Another change that could really benefit it is having the bolt pistol sight it's meant to.
The caldari assault bonus is good, it just doesn't stand out particularly, there has been like 10 discussions about it and a lot of people support the idea of reduced kick as an additional bonus.
1) Moodys review of BP 2) FERRO had slightly more armor to each tier ( gal scout with maxed armor, one basic ferro would put me at 201 armor which im vary happy with 3) You mean the rifles tyat melt you while your in others optimal? 4) Assault IMHO, longer range, higher DPS, less damage, Breach, higher damage, shorter range, regular variant, middleman. See my POV? 5) Agreed no idea how to tweak it. 6) Reduced kick would be good, link ke to those threads sorry if as i said, i dont feel well most of the time
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
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Posted - 2015.05.04 14:58:00 -
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: 1) Moodys review of BP 2) FERRO had slightly more armor to each tier ( gal scout with maxed armor, one basic ferro would put me at 201 armor which im vary happy with 3) You mean the rifles tyat melt you while your in others optimal? 4) Assault IMHO, longer range, higher DPS, less damage, Breach, higher damage, shorter range, regular variant, middleman. See my POV? 5) Agreed no idea how to tweak it. 6) Reduced kick would be good, link ke to those threads sorry if as i said, i dont feel well most of the time
1) I don't watch moody, he doesn't play anymore and plenty of it is opinion pieces. It was numerically demonstrated that the original boltpistol was beyond underpowered. 2) So ferro's are bad because armor plate HP creep is a thing? 3) What? I'm talking like 1.6-1.7 SCP's that were doing way, way too much damage.
4) But that is outright wrong. Assault is the 'gallente' modification, Burst is the minmatar, Tactical the amarr and breach the caldari. Assault = lower range, higher dps, typically featuring an increased rate of fire at the cost of damage per bullet. Burst = more range than assault, less dps than assault. Tactical = more range than burst, less dps than burst (disclaimer as these are often semi-auto their paper dps is usually a lot higher than their actual). Breach = Longest range, lowest dps, typically characterized by very high damage per bullet, but low RoF.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.05.04 15:19:00 -
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@MINA - Ferros are presently broken because the armour plate bonus has mysteriously stopped affecting them.
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MINA Longstrike
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Posted - 2015.05.04 15:23:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:@MINA - Ferros are presently broken because the armour plate bonus has mysteriously stopped affecting them.
Fair enough, I don't want to start an argument about king HP here.
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Vyuru
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.04 15:30:00 -
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I'd be curious to see how the MagSec works once Caldari Assaults get a bonus to rail weaponry that makes more sense than the current one.
Regarding Ferro Plates.
Personally, I'm of the opinion that they should be tweaked down just a few numbers in total HP. You want more health? Equip Armor Plates, but it'll cost you movement. You want more speed? Equip Ferro Plates, but they won't be as good as Armor Plates. |
PARKOUR PRACTIONER
Rebels New Republic The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2015.05.04 15:32:00 -
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Also Mina, i was here since about 1.4. I barely remember 1.6, but i remember being more AV focused so i didn't realize if it was OP or not. I remember briefly some threads about sidearm dominating primarys i just thought people were complaining.
As i do now. i got better.
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
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Posted - 2015.05.04 15:34:00 -
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:Also Mina, i was here since about 1.4. I barely remember 1.6, but i remember being more AV focused so i didn't realize if it was OP or not. I remember briefly some threads about sidearm dominating primarys i just thought people were complaining.
As i do now. i got better.
Part of the reason that fizzer (whatever his name was, 13 or something in numerals?) originally quit the game was because he was violently opposed to the scrambler pistol nerf... alongside the rouge wedding. IIRC the ScP could get up to about 450 dps without headshots.
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7th Son 7
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.04 15:43:00 -
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@MINA - Moody's still around, you just have to know where to look
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Vesta Opalus
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.04 16:53:00 -
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:Also Mina, i was here since about 1.4. I barely remember 1.6, but i remember being more AV focused so i didn't realize if it was OP or not. I remember briefly some threads about sidearm dominating primarys i just thought people were complaining.
As i do now. i got better.
Anyone who thinks sidearms dominate primaries is doing you a favor, its like waving a flag around that says they have no idea what they are talking about.
Even pre-nerf bolt pistols are trash compared to any rifle weapon.
My sidearm opinions:
Bolt pistol is fine.
SMGs are fine (but the breach is clearly better than the other two versions and that should be tweaked a bit so they each have a role, it seems like breach/assault/normal SMGs have no real design philosophy behind them like the breach/assault/tac/burst rifles do)
Scrambler pistols need to be buffed a bit, I'd say increase body shot damage ~5-10% (depending on version this should be slightly higher or lower) and decrease headshot modifier to retain same headshot damage, also the iron sight on the scrambler pistols are completely moronic, I have no idea where the thing is actually aiming.
Nova knives are fine.
MagSec needs to be buffed or given some niche if its ever going to compete with the SMG, I would suggest making it silenced and giving it virtually no kick/dispersion in ADS, right now I think the worst problems are the kick buildup, which gets out of hand quickly and makes the weapon unmanageable compared to the SMG.
Flaylock is fine, which I know is far from a universal opinion, they can dump out a ton of damage in a very short amount of time, but are situationally useless because of the nature of the weapon, overall I think its balanced.
Ion pistols need to be reworked (range increase coupled with slight charge mechanic rework).
P.S. Also scrambler pistols need to have assault/normal/burst/breach version at all levels, std/adv/proto, and the viziam scambler pistol should not require level 1 proficiency to use, what the **** is going on here? |
Her Chosen
Grade No.2
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Posted - 2015.05.04 17:21:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: 1) Moodys review of BP 2) FERRO had slightly more armor to each tier ( gal scout with maxed armor, one basic ferro would put me at 201 armor which im vary happy with 3) You mean the rifles tyat melt you while your in others optimal? 4) Assault IMHO, longer range, higher DPS, less damage, Breach, higher damage, shorter range, regular variant, middleman. See my POV? 5) Agreed no idea how to tweak it. 6) Reduced kick would be good, link ke to those threads sorry if as i said, i dont feel well most of the time
1) I don't watch moody, he doesn't play anymore and plenty of it is opinion pieces. It was numerically demonstrated that the .
No, it was actually balanced because its SECONDARY weapon. Sorry, but 2nd weapons should not be on par with primaries. Other sidearms need to be nerfed on par with the original Bolt. The magsec right now is a good example. It/'s not UP, its just a balanced 2nd weapon.
The fact that the bolt pistol , a secondary weapon, is in the top 3 weapons total in the game is poor logic. Scrambler Rifle, Assault Rail Rifle, and Bolt Pistols are the best handheld weapon in the game, that also includes the HMG. What the heck is a sidearm doing in that high of a rank?
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Vesta Opalus
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.04 17:28:00 -
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Her Chosen wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: 1) Moodys review of BP 2) FERRO had slightly more armor to each tier ( gal scout with maxed armor, one basic ferro would put me at 201 armor which im vary happy with 3) You mean the rifles tyat melt you while your in others optimal? 4) Assault IMHO, longer range, higher DPS, less damage, Breach, higher damage, shorter range, regular variant, middleman. See my POV? 5) Agreed no idea how to tweak it. 6) Reduced kick would be good, link ke to those threads sorry if as i said, i dont feel well most of the time
1) I don't watch moody, he doesn't play anymore and plenty of it is opinion pieces. It was numerically demonstrated that the . No, it was actually balanced because its SECONDARY weapon. Sorry, but 2nd weapons should not be on par with primaries. Other sidearms need to be nerfed on par with the original Bolt. The magsec right now is a good example. It/'s not UP, its just a balanced 2nd weapon. The fact that the bolt pistol , a secondary weapon, is in the top 3 weapons total in the game is poor logic. Scrambler Rifle, Assault Rail Rifle, and Bolt Pistols are the best handheld weapon in the game, that also includes the HMG. What the heck is a sidearm doing in that high of a rank?
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
Rebels New Republic The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2015.05.04 17:28:00 -
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Her Chosen wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: 1) Moodys review of BP 2) FERRO had slightly more armor to each tier ( gal scout with maxed armor, one basic ferro would put me at 201 armor which im vary happy with 3) You mean the rifles tyat melt you while your in others optimal? 4) Assault IMHO, longer range, higher DPS, less damage, Breach, higher damage, shorter range, regular variant, middleman. See my POV? 5) Agreed no idea how to tweak it. 6) Reduced kick would be good, link ke to those threads sorry if as i said, i dont feel well most of the time
1) I don't watch moody, he doesn't play anymore and plenty of it is opinion pieces. It was numerically demonstrated that the . No, it was actually balanced because its SECONDARY weapon. Sorry, but 2nd weapons should not be on par with primaries. Other sidearms need to be nerfed on par with the original Bolt. The magsec right now is a good example. It/'s not UP, its just a balanced 2nd weapon. The fact that the bolt pistol , a secondary weapon, is in the top 3 weapons total in the game is poor logic. Scrambler Rifle, Assault Rail Rifle, and Bolt Pistols are the best handheld weapon in the game, that also includes the HMG. What the heck is a sidearm doing in that high of a rank?
Because a good sidearm is popular? I think the min SMG sides knives are the best sidearm in the game, course me being a CQC mainly scout IMHO. Magsec, i dont know what to think of it. There not on par, it just compliment different playstyles.
I dont understand your logic behind this.
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