DUST Search - ringers in PC

Bradric Banewolf wrote:

Roy Ventus wrote:

Lol this whole thread is corny.

Since the game began a group of players have always been whining about how ringing is cheating or disloyal or weak...

LOL WE'RE FRICKIN MERCENARIES. WHAT WE DO ON A DAILY BASIS IS RINGING.

Do you pick and choose your public contracts? No, you don't? EXACTLY.

I get pissed when it's the top corps QQing about how ringing should be frowned upon or illegal because they're being greedy and hypocritical whether it's a conscious or unconscious decision.

But when corps who aren't rich or neutral parties start to talk about it, it makes me wanna smack the Quafe outta those Kool-Aid sipping lips.

Ringing IS a major part of the economy and will continue to be. Ringing open up doors for various types of jobs and niche. Defense contractors, contracted specialists, scavengers, etc. It's like trying to deny us a piece of our future due to some pompous sense of "honor" or sick greed.

But you're all ringing for the smallest piece of the pie ever! If we give PC 2.0 a chance you could ring all day and night if you wanted, in different types of battles! However, if we run all the players off who ya gonna ring for?

We must make PC better, and more lucrative, than the pubs. I'm all ears cuz ringing ain't doing it?


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deezy dabest 2181	Posted - 2015.05.04 03:47:00 - [1] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: After spending the week with PC corporation representatives (The PC Think Tank), the issue of ringers has come up quite often. The consensus seems to be that ringers should exist, but not be risk free and as prevalant as now, particularly at the expense of homegrown talent. More to follow later. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2716923#post2716923 Personally I do not think there is a real fix aside from locking entry to PC to only alliance members who have been in the alliance for at least 3 days. As long as ringers are allowed to enter PC they will be used to farm PC. It is going to be even worse once the new update comes out and passive rewards for districts return.
deezy dabest 2183	Posted - 2015.05.04 04:20:00 - [2] - Quote Panthrax Oblivion wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: I don't like how random people can fight for one player corp, and then another, without even being in the same alliance. Rattati had a good idea of not removing ringers, but instead formally contracting them to fight exclusively for a certain corporation for a set time period. That sounds like a decent idea How is this really any different than them having to join a corp within the alliance to play? Making it alliance only would mean that ringers would have to make their employment history absolutely laughable. Along with that corporations would be able to see if they happened to keep joining corps that were getting knocked out of PC.
deezy dabest 2183	Posted - 2015.05.04 06:02:00 - [3] - Quote hold that wrote: deezy dabest wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: After spending the week with PC corporation representatives (The PC Think Tank), the issue of ringers has come up quite often. The consensus seems to be that ringers should exist, but not be risk free and as prevalant as now, particularly at the expense of homegrown talent. More to follow later. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2716923#post2716923 Personally I do not think there is a real fix aside from locking entry to PC to only alliance members who have been in the alliance for at least 3 days. As long as ringers are allowed to enter PC they will be used to farm PC. It is going to be even worse once the new update comes out and passive rewards for districts return. is PC going back to normal completely? Will you get 3 mil isk again for winning? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=188510&find=unread No but a somewhat passive system seems to be on the horizon. My concern is that in this new system newbies will just be farmed for command points while ringers are used to hold the districts. Newbies will not mind this as they will receive dividends of that payout automatically but it still leaves PC as nothing but a game of who wants to pay more for ringers so that they can hold as many districts as they have newbies to farm to sustain this. At the end of the day this still leaves PC as an end game that is only played by some while most freak out at having the chance to join one because they are so regularly left out. @ the people saying a game of mercenaries blah blah blah. Having to join an alliance to work for that alliance at least then shows up on someones employment history. The real issue here over all is the fact that a huge portion of the players in the game have not and will not actually get to be mercenaries. As long as that remains the scenario most people will only participate at a level of a lobby shooter. Having an alliance lock does not stop you from being a mercenary it only means that you have to trade based on your actual skill and not the fact that you joined up with some corp that gives the image of being exclusive to good players. You of all people should support an alliance lock more than anyone as having to be known based on your name and having to actually go through the joining process gives you the opportunity to make even more money than before if you are actually a good player. Why would you not want to trade based on someone looking at your employment history and seeing that you have worked for top corps instead of trading on the name of a corp that just ends up full of people using that name and screwing people over until you just run off to the next ringer corp?
deezy dabest 2183	Posted - 2015.05.04 06:16:00 - [4] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: from what i understand you won't be able to farm districts unless you have members. in order to sell clones under the new system you must use command points, you get command points from your corp members completing missions. If you have 1 member in your corp and you own 50 districts you will only be able to farm maybe 1 or half of 1 because that one member can only get so much command points in one day by himself. So you can use ringers all you want(Doubt that will happen) but it won't mean you can profit off of all your districts unless you actually have a lot of active members in your corp. It is true that you will need member activity to be able to maintain the district and make money off of it. The problem is that now you end up with a corp full of newbies that are just being farmed for their missions while they still never once get to see a PC fight. I was under the impression that PC was meant to be an end game for all players and not just a reason to pile on newbies and alt accounts in your corp to feed the machine for the CEO and a few of his ringer buddies that just choose to farm CEOs instead of making an effort to hold their own districts. The real question here is why ringers are so desperate to be able to hide behind their corp tags and not have their employment history show their actual employment history.
deezy dabest 2189	Posted - 2015.05.04 19:57:00 - [5] - Quote You "pro ringers" are too funny. With an alliance lock you can just join one of the corps in the alliance for the fight. Oh I forgot you are too busy using your corp tags as promotion instead of your actual name and skill. If you want to be pro ringers you should be useless to your corp. All an alliance lock does is makes it so that you are not contributing to any corp being able to hold a district from a CP stand point which is exactly how a pro ringer should work. You are so busy trying to have your cake and eat it too that you are just making yourselves look stupid.
deezy dabest 2190	Posted - 2015.05.04 20:01:00 - [6] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: Lol this whole thread is corny. Since the game began a group of players have always been whining about how ringing is cheating or disloyal or weak... LOL WE'RE FRICKIN MERCENARIES. WHAT WE DO ON A DAILY BASIS IS RINGING. Do you pick and choose your public contracts? No, you don't? EXACTLY. I get pissed when it's the top corps QQing about how ringing should be frowned upon or illegal because they're being greedy and hypocritical whether it's a conscious or unconscious decision. But when corps who aren't rich or neutral parties start to talk about it, it makes me wanna smack the Quafe outta those Kool-Aid sipping lips. Ringing IS a major part of the economy and will continue to be. Ringing open up doors for various types of jobs and niche. Defense contractors, contracted specialists, scavengers, etc. It's like trying to deny us a piece of our future due to some pompous sense of "honor" or sick greed. But you're all ringing for the smallest piece of the pie ever! If we give PC 2.0 a chance you could ring all day and night if you wanted, in different types of battles! However, if we run all the players off who ya gonna ring for? We must make PC better, and more lucrative, than the pubs. I'm all ears cuz ringing ain't doing it? The funny thing is they are ringing just to brag about their wallet which has pretty much reached a point of not even mattering. There are only two classes of wallet now, those who can and those who can not proto stomp.
deezy dabest 2193	Posted - 2015.05.04 23:28:00 - [7] - Quote Aramis Madrigal wrote: I think a system that rewards using your own corp members would be preferable to one that penalizes you for using ringers. Something like a 3% chance per corp member for officer salvage at the end of match with a full 16 making the chance 100% or additional revenue recovered from your own bio-massed clones if they are from corp members or additional clones are recovered/generated when you are successful using your own corp members. A loyalty point system where you gain LP by participating in your corps PCs but not while ringing might be viable as well. Its very simple. Ringers should not be able to benefit from their corp having a district while they are off fighting for other districts. All passive rewards and CP gain should be limited to players who have been in the corporation for 5 days. Entry into PC should require the player be in the alliance. This way ringers can decide if they would rather try to own their own district or if they want to run around ringing all day.