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Posted - 2015.04.29 07:42:00 -
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It has to be the least used weapon in the game. If you go by PC stats even more so. No need for a big buff, just give it a normal reload or increase the magazine or increase damage. I dont want it to be so op it replaces the regular shotgun, so just 1 of the 3 would make it more usable.
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Posted - 2015.04.29 07:55:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:IMO:
Increase magazine capacity Decrease spread Increase range
Make it a slug-shot alternative sort of deal. Maaaaybe need to decrease damage too, really depends on it's 'pellet' spread. It should be a 1-2 hit kill on any suit like it almost already is. If Ccp did decrease the damage itd be so close to the reg shotgun damage profile, thered be little reason using it. Its supposed to drop people lightning quick. I dont want a hybrid between the 2 shotguns.
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Posted - 2015.04.29 09:00:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:hails8n wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:IMO:
Increase magazine capacity Decrease spread Increase range
Make it a slug-shot alternative sort of deal. Maaaaybe need to decrease damage too, really depends on it's 'pellet' spread. It should be a 1-2 hit kill on any suit like it almost already is. If Ccp did decrease the damage itd be so close to the reg shotgun damage profile, thered be little reason using it. Its supposed to drop people lightning quick. I dont want a hybrid between the 2 shotguns. Well, no. Like I said, if you decrease dispersion and increase the range then there's plenty of reason to use it - arguably more so than the regular shotgun for high-skill players. At which point making it a 1-2 hit kill is... Decent, but it'd have to be taken into consideration that if the damage is too high people will just migrate from things like the Assault Rifle to the Breach Shotgun for CQC and that's something I don't want =P The dispersions already so low, at proto the reticules about the size of a mercs hand. All it needs is a simple buff, reload, damage, or mag increase.
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Posted - 2015.04.29 17:31:00 -
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hold that wrote:keep everything the same but make it 3 shots (maybe 4) instead of two That'd be nice, every time I go up to a heavy with my allotek breach he's left with like 15 hp. That's 2 slugs at profiency 4. +1 magazine would make my day.
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Posted - 2015.04.29 20:57:00 -
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Posted - 2015.04.29 22:39:00 -
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Posted - 2015.04.30 01:55:00 -
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Posted - 2015.04.30 04:18:00 -
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Melchiah ARANeAE wrote:I think it just needs to have faster reload and maybe fire 14/15 pellets instead of 12. +1
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Posted - 2015.04.30 17:45:00 -
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Shutter Fly wrote:A lot of people here seem to be missing the fact that the Breach USED to be viable, and you know what was different about it then?
Damage and Range
What was the same?
Reload, Clip Size, and RoF
It was hit and kill, or miss and die. The regular Shotgun as it is now has a fairly shallow and linear learning curve, it's easy to be decent with, and only a moderate challenge to be good with. By highlighting the Breach's extremes, it becomes a version of the shotgun that is very difficult to make use of, but highly rewarding to master. It requires diligent management of reloads, precise positioning, and exhaustive analysis of potential matchups. Currently, doing these things only gets you an almost bearable weapon, but it could be much more. Don't ruin that potential by taking the route that makes the Breach simplified and boring. I'd be happy with any buff. Its my favorite novelty weapon like the plc, but everyone uses the plc so you know that gets buffed regularly.
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Posted - 2015.04.30 20:27:00 -
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Shutter Fly wrote:hails8n wrote:Shutter Fly wrote:A lot of people here seem to be missing the fact that the Breach USED to be viable, and you know what was different about it then?
Damage and Range
What was the same?
Reload, Clip Size, and RoF
It was hit and kill, or miss and die. The regular Shotgun as it is now has a fairly shallow and linear learning curve, it's easy to be decent with, and only a moderate challenge to be good with. By highlighting the Breach's extremes, it becomes a version of the shotgun that is very difficult to make use of, but highly rewarding to master. It requires diligent management of reloads, precise positioning, and exhaustive analysis of potential matchups. Currently, doing these things only gets you an almost bearable weapon, but it could be much more. Don't ruin that potential by taking the route that makes the Breach simplified and boring. I'd be happy with any buff. Its my favorite novelty weapon like the plc, but everyone uses the plc so you know that gets buffed regularly. I don't really see it as a "novelty weapon". Or, at least, I don't want it to be one. The PLC is useable and has areas where it is very good, but I wouldn't call it a viable role. I want the BSG to be viable. Back when I used it, it was just a different type of shotgun that had a steeper learning curve and different advantages and disadvantages. It was much harder to use, but it could take on most situations that that the SG could, just with a different approach. For example, when approaching two enemies, you make sure you have easily accessible cover. After taking the first shot, if it doesn't kill the target, you can't go directly for the kill (as you often would with the SG). Instead, it is better to drop back behind cover to immediately reload. If the unharmed enemy is the most viable target, you repeat the same fire, cover, reload strategy. If the one you just hit is vulnerable, you finish him, use your second shot on the other guy, and finish him with a sidearm if he is still alive. That particular plan doesn't allow for any missed shots, and it is just part of the learning curve of the Breach. If you screw up, you have to be prepared to cut your losses and gtfo. Does that make it a bad weapon? Not necessarily, if it is strong enough in the areas it needs to be, which it currently isn't. The difference from the standard SG is that the objective isn't always to get a kill with each engagement. It does enough damage that leaving your target to heal a bit isn't a huge concern. It also has a very strong psychological effect, because it isn't easy for a ~650HP assault to adjust to instantly losing 75-80% of their health. Even though it is still survivable, it's very different than dealing with any other weapon. Yeah, but I could just drop an extra shot on the same guy with a regular shotgun. The time it takes to switch to a sidearm is lost dps, so buff the damage to 2 shot everyone including heavies.
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Posted - 2015.04.30 22:17:00 -
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Posted - 2015.05.01 02:34:00 -
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Posted - 2015.05.01 05:36:00 -
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Posted - 2015.05.01 17:38:00 -
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Posted - 2015.05.01 23:42:00 -
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Mex-0 wrote:You do realize the locking period is around a month... Its only been 2 days.
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Posted - 2015.05.02 00:41:00 -
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Keeping it on the front page. To maybe get a dev to post about the breach shotgun.
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Posted - 2015.05.02 04:15:00 -
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sir RAVEN WING wrote:I had proposed increasing damage, decreasing reload time and spread, and increasing clip size by 1 before. It could be an awesome weapon. Same with the burst scrambler pistol. They're just so unused Ccp acts as if they never existed. When was the bsg last tweaked? 2-3 years ago.
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Posted - 2015.05.03 01:59:00 -
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Posted - 2015.05.03 04:43:00 -
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jane stalin wrote:Maybe make it really unique ,like the nova knife It only shoots when you let the trigger go, if you hold down the trigger the damage increases and/or the spread decreases Why not ? Just have it do less damage than a charged nova knife, because of the range and all-around easiness of the shotgun.
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Posted - 2015.05.03 19:14:00 -
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