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SoTa PoP
Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.04.28 17:14:00 -
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It was brought up in another thread that population suffers for the new addition of a game mode.
In response, CCP Ratti says that a good solution he's been thinking on may be move Skirm to FW and remove it from Pubs to help stabilize numbers in matches.
He continues by adding in ISK reward would also be added to FW.
I honestly think it's the only solution to our current predicament. But the solution leads to another problem - LP value.
if FW gave ISK - what of LP? It's value right now is pretty bare - I know a lot of us use LP gear, but it could of been easily ISK instead of LP they grinded for and got the same thing, except a few choice racial items. *Amarr Uplinks*
What is everyones thoughts on the matter?
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
7241
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Posted - 2015.04.28 17:17:00 -
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I wouldn't like it. |
DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.04.28 17:26:00 -
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As a solo pilot with 0 SP in infantry, pub skirm is my playground.
I stay away from FW because:
- Ridiculously long queue times
- Queue synced proto squads of no lifers
- Nothing to spend LP on as a Gallente pilot
- Friendly fire means even more of my ships lost to trolls
- Almost every match, without exception, is a massive boring ass redline fest.
There is absolutely nothing appealing about FW, and moving the only game mode that has even the tiniest margin of fun will just totally kill what little fun I currently have in this game.
Maybe CCP should try buffing their player base instead of nerfing it.
"My bitter is showing. I must retreat to the berry patch."
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Vulpes Dolosus
Molon Labe. RUST415
3255
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Posted - 2015.04.28 17:28:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:As a solo pilot with 0 SP in infantry, pub skirm is my playground.
I stay away from FW because:
- Ridiculously long queue times
- Queue synced proto squads of no lifers
- Nothing to spend LP on as a Gallente pilot
- Friendly fire means even more of my ships lost to trolls
There is absolutely nothing appealing about FW, and moving the only game mode that has even the tiniest margin of fun will just totally kill what little fun I currently have in this game.
Maybe CCP should try buffing their player base instead of nerfing it. There would be ISK rewards for FW and you can now (or soon) sell FW gear to other players. I'm sure a lot of people would like the faction weapons and pay more than stock proto for them.
Dust is there! I was real!
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Scheneighnay McBob
And the ButtPirates
6248
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Posted - 2015.04.28 17:29:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:As a solo pilot with 0 SP in infantry, pub skirm is my playground.
I stay away from FW because:
- Ridiculously long queue times
- Queue synced proto squads of no lifers
- Nothing to spend LP on as a Gallente pilot
- Friendly fire means even more of my ships lost to trolls
- Almost every match, without exception, is a massive boring ass redline fest.
There is absolutely nothing appealing about FW, and moving the only game mode that has even the tiniest margin of fun will just totally kill what little fun I currently have in this game.
Maybe CCP should try buffing their player base instead of nerfing it. This would fix queue times (it's designed to), and there ARE gallente vehicles in the LP store.
I would like to see it happen.
Some details can be ignored
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Vulpes Dolosus
Molon Labe. RUST415
3255
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Posted - 2015.04.28 17:29:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:As a solo pilot with 0 SP in infantry, pub skirm is my playground.
I stay away from FW because:
- Ridiculously long queue times
- Queue synced proto squads of no lifers
- Nothing to spend LP on as a Gallente pilot
- Friendly fire means even more of my ships lost to trolls
There is absolutely nothing appealing about FW, and moving the only game mode that has even the tiniest margin of fun will just totally kill what little fun I currently have in this game.
Maybe CCP should try buffing their player base instead of nerfing it. There would be ISK rewards for FW and you can now (or soon) sell FW gear to other players. I'm sure a lot of people would like the faction weapons and pay more than stock proto for them.
As for everything else, yeah I'm with you.
Dust is there! I was real!
Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.04.28 17:33:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:This would fix queue times (it's designed to), and there ARE gallente vehicles in the LP store.
I would like to see it happen. Show me the LP Incubus with no forced turrets
Show me the vehicle modules....
How would it fix queue times? Since it's not just Skirm, you'd have players like me backing out of non skirm game modes since skirm is the only fun game mode, and I refuse to play a sub par game unless I'm having fun. FW is horrifically unbalanced and of all the game modes it's basically the LEAST competitive thanks to it ALWAYS being a one sided stomp.
As to the person saying I could sell FW items...why would I want to waste even more of my time trying to track people down on the forums to get rid of gear in the hopes that they pay me back? That's way too much time when all I want is to turn on my PS3, grab a few matches, and sign off. Like I said, maybe CCP should just focus on getting their game running smoothly and balanced so that more players come and stay, rather than making some arbitrary line in the sand and saying "like it or leave, because marketing"
The ****?
"My bitter is showing. I must retreat to the berry patch."
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Balistyc Farshot
OUTCAST MERCS General Tso's Alliance
151
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Posted - 2015.04.28 17:34:00 -
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As one of the FW queue syning jerks mentioned above when my corp gets on. I wanted to put out there that we practice for PCs in FW. They shouldn't move the player base until they fix PC. Then lets see where FW ends up. Also match making will be lopsided.
From Logi, to Heavy, to Scout, now I am moving to ADS. Please stop balancing!
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SoTa PoP
Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback
6651
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Posted - 2015.04.28 17:39:00 -
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Balistyc Farshot wrote:As one of the FW queue syning jerks mentioned above when my corp gets on. I wanted to put out there that we practice for PCs in FW. They shouldn't move the player base until they fix PC. Then lets see where FW ends up. Also match making will be lopsided. I actually think it would be good for pubs to have team-deploy, so qsyncs in FW doesn't mean much. It just shows players that joining a corp has several advantages, rather then just seeing a squad stomp.
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Drogan Reeth
Free Trade Corp
154
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Posted - 2015.04.28 18:13:00 -
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Worst idea ever. FW sucks balls.
First add match maker to FW so people don't que vs proto stomps. Make it so solo players don't face qued teams.
Then we can consider talking about it.
Edit: And remove friendly fire. |
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
1998
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Posted - 2015.04.28 18:19:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:As a solo pilot with 0 SP in infantry, pub skirm is my playground.
I stay away from FW because:
- Ridiculously long queue times
- Queue synced proto squads of no lifers
- Nothing to spend LP on as a Gallente pilot
- Friendly fire means even more of my ships lost to trolls
- Almost every match, without exception, is a massive boring ass redline fest.
There is absolutely nothing appealing about FW, and moving the only game mode that has even the tiniest margin of fun will just totally kill what little fun I currently have in this game.
Maybe CCP should try buffing their player base instead of nerfing it.
Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed . #PubsShouldBeRandomPlayers
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Reign Omega
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
1457
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Posted - 2015.04.28 18:20:00 -
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Drogan Reeth wrote:Worst idea ever. FW sucks balls.
First add match maker to FW so people don't que vs proto stomps. Make it so solo players don't face qued teams.
Then we can consider talking about it.
Edit: And remove friendly fire.
Tbh, go solo in pubs. Join a loyalty channel and queue with a squad at the very least. Lone wolf in fw is another reason ppl vet stomped so hard.
Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....
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thor424
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
45
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Posted - 2015.04.28 18:20:00 -
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Drogan Reeth wrote:Worst idea ever. FW sucks balls.
First add match maker to FW so people don't que vs proto stomps. Make it so solo players don't face qued teams.
Then we can consider talking about it.
Edit: And remove friendly fire.
Perhaps find a FW channel and join a sync?
Are there not enough solo style FPS games out there?
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
6246
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Posted - 2015.04.28 18:24:00 -
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Drogan Reeth wrote:Worst idea ever.
^
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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thor424
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
45
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Posted - 2015.04.28 18:26:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Drogan Reeth wrote:Worst idea ever. ^
Congrats Drogan, you got the scrub badge of honor.
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Drogan Reeth
Free Trade Corp
156
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Posted - 2015.04.28 18:26:00 -
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Reign Omega wrote:Drogan Reeth wrote:Worst idea ever. FW sucks balls.
First add match maker to FW so people don't que vs proto stomps. Make it so solo players don't face qued teams.
Then we can consider talking about it.
Edit: And remove friendly fire. Tbh, go solo in pubs. Join a loyalty channel and queue with a squad at the very least. Lone wolf in fw is another reason ppl vet stomped so hard.
I do solo pubs. I have no problem with that. I don't want my favorite mode to be taken away and put into FW where I will no longer play it.
The lack of que's for FW clearly shows the majority of players agree with my thinking. |
Avinash Decker
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
206
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Posted - 2015.04.28 18:30:00 -
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I thought it would be combined with domination or skirmish like OMS and normal ambush. Didn't think it ever was a good idea to add game modes to a low pop game. Usually it is the other way around. |
Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.04.28 18:36:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:As a solo pilot with 0 SP in infantry, pub skirm is my playground.
I stay away from FW because:
- Ridiculously long queue times
- Queue synced proto squads of no lifers
- Nothing to spend LP on as a Gallente pilot
- Friendly fire means even more of my ships lost to trolls
- Almost every match, without exception, is a massive boring ass redline fest.
There is absolutely nothing appealing about FW, and moving the only game mode that has even the tiniest margin of fun will just totally kill what little fun I currently have in this game.
Maybe CCP should try buffing their player base instead of nerfing it.
Every single one of the problems you just listed would most likely be solved if this was made to happen.
-- Queue times would be shorter because the game mode is less fractured.
-- Matchmaking could actually be a thing in FW if allied faction pools are combined.
-- Vehicle components are cheaper on FW market. Getting LP and ISK combined payout makes this doubly true.
-- Friendly Fire would most likely be removed from FW and left to exist in solely for PC.
-- Happens due to Q syncs which would be largely obliterated by matchmaking being introduced.
When somebody suggests something, it is usually done with a more holistic outlook and the expectation that certain changes would also follow.
Usually banned for being too awesome.
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thor424
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
45
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Posted - 2015.04.28 18:40:00 -
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Drogan Reeth wrote:Reign Omega wrote:Drogan Reeth wrote:Worst idea ever. FW sucks balls.
First add match maker to FW so people don't que vs proto stomps. Make it so solo players don't face qued teams.
Then we can consider talking about it.
Edit: And remove friendly fire. Tbh, go solo in pubs. Join a loyalty channel and queue with a squad at the very least. Lone wolf in fw is another reason ppl vet stomped so hard. I do solo pubs. I have no problem with that. I don't want my favorite mode to be taken away and put into FW where I will no longer play it. The lack of que's for FW clearly shows the majority of players agree with my thinking.
People have no idea that other people are trying to queue. If they come up with a way for people to see that there are x amount of players queuing for a certain faction it would help.
Squads of 8 will make the deployments go smoother as well.
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.04.28 18:44:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Every single one of the problems you just listed would most likely be solved if this was made to happen.
-- Queue times would be shorter because the game mode is less fractured.
-- Matchmaking could actually be a thing in FW if allied faction pools are combined.
-- Vehicle components are cheaper on FW market. Getting LP and ISK combined payout makes this doubly true.
-- Friendly Fire would most likely be removed from FW and left to exist in solely for PC.
-- Happens due to Q syncs which would be largely obliterated by matchmaking being introduced.
When somebody suggests something, it is usually done with a more holistic outlook and the expectation that certain changes would also follow. Except that CCP takes months to years to add in things as part of their "iterative" process.....
-- Queue times don't get any shorter if people who have absolutely no desire to play FW are forced into FW, AKA, making them go play other games.
-- Allied pools combined? Meaning I'd have to fight for factions that I don't want to raise? I don't care about any faction, but if I had to choose I'd only be interested in Gallente, which again, doesn't have the modules I need
- You do realize there are NO vehicle modules in the LP store....right? Just turrets and dumbed down vehicles with mandatory turrets. And no ADS.
- If you turn of FF and add ISK payments, why even have non FW matches? Why not just turn pubs into FW but with LP payouts? And unless you plan on making it so you can choose your game mode, youll still have people dropping out of game modes they dislike. I have 0 SP in infantry. What makes you think I'm gonna waste 10 minutes of my day in an Ambush match getting killed by proto squads, or sit in an incredibly boring redline stomp Domination match for 10 minutes? I'm not. It's not fun, this is a video game, and I have no desire to play something that isn't fun. Period.
- I don't have remotely enough faith in MM removing Q sync since MM has done nothing but give me halfway filled / completed matches since it launched
"My bitter is showing. I must retreat to the berry patch."
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thor424
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
45
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Posted - 2015.04.28 18:54:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Every single one of the problems you just listed would most likely be solved if this was made to happen.
-- Queue times would be shorter because the game mode is less fractured.
-- Matchmaking could actually be a thing in FW if allied faction pools are combined.
-- Vehicle components are cheaper on FW market. Getting LP and ISK combined payout makes this doubly true.
-- Friendly Fire would most likely be removed from FW and left to exist in solely for PC.
-- Happens due to Q syncs which would be largely obliterated by matchmaking being introduced.
When somebody suggests something, it is usually done with a more holistic outlook and the expectation that certain changes would also follow. Except that CCP takes months to years to add in things as part of their "iterative" process..... -- Queue times don't get any shorter if people who have absolutely no desire to play FW are forced into FW, AKA, making them go play other games. -- Allied pools combined? Meaning I'd have to fight for factions that I don't want to raise? I don't care about any faction, but if I had to choose I'd only be interested in Gallente, which again, doesn't have the modules I need - You do realize there are NO vehicle modules in the LP store....right? Just turrets and dumbed down vehicles with mandatory turrets. And no ADS. - If you turn of FF and add ISK payments, why even have non FW matches? Why not just turn pubs into FW but with LP payouts? And unless you plan on making it so you can choose your game mode, youll still have people dropping out of game modes they dislike. I have 0 SP in infantry. What makes you think I'm gonna waste 10 minutes of my day in an Ambush match getting killed by proto squads, or sit in an incredibly boring redline stomp Domination match for 10 minutes? I'm not. It's not fun, this is a video game, and I have no desire to play something that isn't fun. Period. - I don't have remotely enough faith in MM removing Q sync since MM has done nothing but give me halfway filled / completed matches since it launched
You could use that LP to buy things that people want and make more than you make running pubs. You can control the people that you are playing with by syncing as a team. You'd lose less ships and make more money while being less frustrated that your blues aren't participating.
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.04.28 18:58:00 -
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thor424 wrote:You could use that LP to buy things that people want and make more than you make running pubs. You can control the people that you are playing with by syncing as a team. You'd lose less ships and make more money while being less frustrated that your blues aren't participating.
I have more ISK than I could spend in a year, and I have NO desire to sit on the forums hunting for people to buy random crap in the hopes that they pay me back.
0 interest.
All I want is to sign in, hop into a match or two, and sign off.
There is NOTHING wrong with pub skirm. Don't remove a game mode because you fail to retain enough players to build your player base. Instead, focus on BUILDING AND RETAINING YOUR PLAYER BASE
"My bitter is showing. I must retreat to the berry patch."
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thor424
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
45
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Posted - 2015.04.28 19:02:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:thor424 wrote:You could use that LP to buy things that people want and make more than you make running pubs. You can control the people that you are playing with by syncing as a team. You'd lose less ships and make more money while being less frustrated that your blues aren't participating.
I have more ISK than I could spend in a year, and I have NO desire to sit on the forums hunting for people to buy random crap in the hopes that they pay me back. 0 interest. All I want is to sign in, hop into a match or two, and sign off. There is NOTHING wrong with pub skirm. Don't remove a game mode because you fail to retain enough players to build your player base. Instead, focus on BUILDING AND RETAINING YOUR PLAYER BASE
I don't see much difference in Skirmish and Acquisition for an ADS pilot. Blaster tanks are everywhere and it would seem that an Incubus pilot as yourself would flourish.
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DUST Fiend
16754
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Posted - 2015.04.28 19:04:00 -
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thor424 wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:thor424 wrote:You could use that LP to buy things that people want and make more than you make running pubs. You can control the people that you are playing with by syncing as a team. You'd lose less ships and make more money while being less frustrated that your blues aren't participating.
I have more ISK than I could spend in a year, and I have NO desire to sit on the forums hunting for people to buy random crap in the hopes that they pay me back. 0 interest. All I want is to sign in, hop into a match or two, and sign off. There is NOTHING wrong with pub skirm. Don't remove a game mode because you fail to retain enough players to build your player base. Instead, focus on BUILDING AND RETAINING YOUR PLAYER BASE I don't see much difference in Skirmish and Acquisition for an ADS pilot. Blaster tanks are everywhere and it would seem that an Incubus pilot as yourself would flourish. The maps are smaller from what I've seen, and lots of objectives wind up inside. The few matches I played had virtually no enemy vehicles, and just like domination, every game was one side winning by a LANDSLIDE. Sure this happens in Skirm too, but not anywhere near as bad as Dom / Acq. Also since maps are smaller and you only have one home spawn, it's pretty damn easy to predict where an RDV will drop, meaning more ships lost before they can ever be deployed.
I'm not sure why people suddenly jumped on the band wagon of punishing players for playing CCPs game simply because CCP can't convince enough people to play their game....
"My bitter is showing. I must retreat to the berry patch."
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Username Alpha
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.28 19:09:00 -
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Guys, guys. I have the solution. Instead of moving Skirmish to FW, move Domination instead.
[edit: I said this before I saw the other thread suggesting the same thing for independent reasons. Damn I'm good.] |
Talos Vagheitan
Ancient Exiles.
1145
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Posted - 2015.04.28 19:17:00 -
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I think it's a great idea if Factional Daily Missions get added
Who cares what some sniper has to say.
**--CCP, let's push for the license of Dust/Legion on both current Gen consoles-
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
18573
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Posted - 2015.04.28 21:00:00 -
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Don't like it. Would rather see some variations on Aquisition as the primary mode, non-exclusive, in FW.
"MIN MAXING! MIN MAXING! I'M BETTER AT IT THAN YOU!"
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Golden Day
Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion.
1542
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Posted - 2015.04.28 21:14:00 -
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I noticed half of the people in here are pub scrubs
FOR THE STATE!
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gorto sou
WarRavens
16
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Posted - 2015.04.28 21:14:00 -
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I remember at the end of MAG when CCP was recruiting players over to Dust514 they said we would have a game mode similar to domination mode don't take the mode that alot of us play solely to come out with another version of another mode. And make the mode we do player harder to q. FW sucks anyway. Thinks back to the interviews that where done with Y_dubbs back in the day in regards to helping recruit players over from MAG to Dust514. Keep Skirmish in the Public contract q. Is it the players fault that Dust514 got sh*tted on by the Project Legion announcement and alot of players left???? |
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