DUST Search - The Pros and Cons of PvE in DUST 514/Project Legion

Ripley Riley wrote:

Elpedo Hughes wrote:

The player base is TOO SMALL.

No one Ques ambush anymore because they don't think anyones playing it. 1 day when alot are playing PVE Dom servers will go, then Skirmish.

Look at FW, it needs to be 'kick started'

PvE can be a huge catalyst for growth.

Imagine you are a relatively new player; maybe 2 - 4mil lifetime SP. You play a few public contracts one night and get your ass stomped. You decide to finally try a PvE contract. Low yield, something you can solo. It takes about 15 minutes to complete. You earn some ISK and some SP and you cooldown. Now you aren't raging at "that ******* in the MinAssault". You then rejoin the public match queue.

See how that could have gone differently? How many new players do we lose because they quit Dust post-getting their ass handed to them in a match? How many simply get bored at doing the same old PvP grind for hours?

Keeping players playing Dust with different activities leads to more players sticking around. When they stick around they buy more aurum and they end up playing more PvP matches.

And if you read the article (which doesn't sound likely), I suggest doing PvE requires an item called a Salvage Contract that must be obtained either from doing PvP or from purchasing it for a hefty amount of aurum. By requiring PvP in order to PvE we are preventing the queues from drying up the first month or so PvE launches.

By the way, the extra aurum PvE generates for CCP could mean the different between a 6 person dev team and a 7 or 8 person dev team. More staff working on Dust = a better game for everyone.

Look at the big picture, homie.

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Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6032	Posted - 2015.04.24 21:15:00 - [1] - Quote A new post on Biomassed.net by Aiwha Bait (He's out of town for the weekend so I'm pimping it out for him) The Pros and Cons of PvE in DUST 514/Project Legion Excerpt: Quote: For the longest time, DUST 514 players have been asking for some sort of Player-Versus-Environment gamemode, which included destroying drones and hacking installations. I personally would like to see a sort of PvE (even if it was in the form a training room where I could test suit setups against drones). With my thoughts of PvE in mind, I polled the forums in both General Discussions and Features and Ideas Discussions. The DUST community was very helpful, as it tends to be, and was very sarcastic and butt hurt sounding (big thanks to Godin Thekiller for GÇ£modeling the evening ware from the GÇÿBitter VetGÇÖ lineGÇ¥, as Cross Atu stated). Both players and forum warriors gave their two ISK about the pros and cons that they saw in PvE. continued... "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast & Blog www.biomassed.net
Elpedo Hughes Intara Direct Action Caldari State 56	Posted - 2015.04.24 21:37:00 - [2] - Quote **** off with PVE. Shooting AI is boring, they're predictable/scripted.
SoTa PoP Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 6542	Posted - 2015.04.24 21:41:00 - [3] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: A new post on Biomassed.net by Aiwha Bait (He's out of town for the weekend so I'm pimping it out for him) The Pros and Cons of PvE in DUST 514/Project Legion Excerpt: Quote: For the longest time, DUST 514 players have been asking for some sort of Player-Versus-Environment gamemode, which included destroying drones and hacking installations. I personally would like to see a sort of PvE (even if it was in the form a training room where I could test suit setups against drones). With my thoughts of PvE in mind, I polled the forums in both General Discussions and Features and Ideas Discussions. The DUST community was very helpful, as it tends to be, and was very sarcastic and butt hurt sounding (big thanks to Godin Thekiller for GÇ£modeling the evening ware from the GÇÿBitter VetGÇÖ lineGÇ¥, as Cross Atu stated). Both players and forum warriors gave their two ISK about the pros and cons that they saw in PvE. continued... Pro: Dust Con: Legion n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
SoTa PoP Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 6542	Posted - 2015.04.24 21:42:00 - [4] - Quote Elpedo Hughes wrote: **** off with PVE. Shooting AI is boring, they're predictable/scripted. Then don't play it? It's not forced upon you - but an outlet for other players to expand there mercenaries and wallets would go a long way around here in keeping people around and emptying there real life wallets. Which is what CCP wants :3 n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
Vell0cet OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3019	Posted - 2015.04.24 21:58:00 - [5] - Quote Pros: Improving the NPE. First steps to a real tutorial. The possibility of having a test range. Variety. Having somewhere to go to do carebear stuff when you're not in the mood for a hardcore fight. Cons: If PvE is popular then we could have major matchmaking issues as the queues will get that much smaller. PvE as the current team would be able to implement it with few devs, shoestring budget, and very limited hardware would almost certainly be very boring, shallow and repetitive. I'm not blaming anyone for this (well maybe CCP Hilmar for gutting the team), but it's just the reality of what we have to work with. As for my fantasy-land ideal of how PvE would work: see the link in my sig. Best PvE idea ever!
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 9648	Posted - 2015.04.24 22:23:00 - [6] - Quote Elpedo Hughes wrote: **** off with PVE. Shooting AI is boring, they're predictable/scripted. Bad PvE is. Good PvE can be enjoyable to beat. It can be engaging and require timing, gun game, and yes even tactics. Don't flush an entire gamemode down the shitter because you played a game with poor AI in the past. @Ripley_Riley
Foo Fighting Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 266	Posted - 2015.04.24 22:42:00 - [7] - Quote No. It takes people away from matches and dev time away from more important thingimyjigglies.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5748	Posted - 2015.04.24 22:49:00 - [8] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Elpedo Hughes wrote: **** off with PVE. Shooting AI is boring, they're predictable/scripted. Bad PvE is. Good PvE can be enjoyable to beat. It can be engaging and require timing, gun game, and yes even tactics. Don't flush an entire gamemode down the shitter because you played a game with poor AI in the past. It's CCP. Usually banned for being too awesome.
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 9699	Posted - 2015.04.24 22:52:00 - [9] - Quote Foo Fighting wrote: No. It takes people away from matches and dev time away from more important thingimyjigglies. Short term, at first. Then, it increases retention of new players, and will increase the over all numbers of PvP as well. Think long term. This isn't a come-out-with-a-new-version-every-year game, this is a game designed for the long haul. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
SoTa PoP Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 6561	Posted - 2015.04.24 22:53:00 - [10] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Foo Fighting wrote: No. It takes people away from matches and dev time away from more important thingimyjigglies. Short term, at first. Then, it increases retention of new players, and will increase the over all numbers of PvP as well. Think long term. This isn't a come-out-with-a-new-version-every-year game, this is a game designed for the long haul. ^This The people playing Dust for the PvP will continue to do so - and the lack of people who want to play but not be competitive having the option of PvP instead will only help make sure the games stay heated with players aiming for the win and not just to **** around. They'll have PvE for that. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot

Foo Fighting Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 266	Posted - 2015.04.24 23:20:00 - [11] - Quote I'm not against it as a long term goal, but given where we are I think the limited dev resource is better assigned to platform upgrade/port.
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game RUST415 585	Posted - 2015.04.24 23:30:00 - [12] - Quote Elpedo Hughes wrote: **** off with PVE. Shooting AI is boring, they're predictable/scripted. Your not you when your hungry. Caldari Loyalist. ( -í° -£-û -í°) They see me rollin they Hating (..) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (..)
Elpedo Hughes Intara Direct Action Caldari State 57	Posted - 2015.04.24 23:32:00 - [13] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: Elpedo Hughes wrote: **** off with PVE. Shooting AI is boring, they're predictable/scripted. Then don't play it? It's not forced upon you - but an outlet for other players to expand there mercenaries and wallets would go a long way around here in keeping people around and emptying there real life wallets. Which is what CCP wants :3 The player base is TOO SMALL. No one Ques ambush anymore because they don't think anyones playing it. 1 day when alot are playing PVE Dom servers will go, then Skirmish. Look at FW, it needs to be 'kick started'
Bahirae Serugiusu Vendetta Reactionary Force 635	Posted - 2015.04.24 23:45:00 - [14] - Quote Elpedo Hughes wrote: **** off with PVE. Shooting AI is boring, they're predictable/scripted. They also have auto aim and if you give them a rocket launcher are the most deadly thing in existence next to old people in Florida. The State will always survive.
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 5906	Posted - 2015.04.24 23:50:00 - [15] - Quote Great article Bait, synthesizing ideas and a little flavor of the forum culture as well. Ripley's idea for contracts as a reward from PvP matches is particularly interesting. Selling contracts could certainly be lucrative. *Note: I am currently drunk while making these comments. I still mean what I say... @JadekMenaheim
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 9650	Posted - 2015.04.25 00:03:00 - [16] - Quote Elpedo Hughes wrote: The player base is TOO SMALL. No one Ques ambush anymore because they don't think anyones playing it. 1 day when alot are playing PVE Dom servers will go, then Skirmish. Look at FW, it needs to be 'kick started' PvE can be a huge catalyst for growth. Imagine you are a relatively new player; maybe 2 - 4mil lifetime SP. You play a few public contracts one night and get your ass stomped. You decide to finally try a PvE contract. Low yield, something you can solo. It takes about 15 minutes to complete. You earn some ISK and some SP and you cooldown. Now you aren't raging at "that ******* in the MinAssault". You then rejoin the public match queue. See how that could have gone differently? How many new players do we lose because they quit Dust post-getting their ass handed to them in a match? How many simply get bored at doing the same old PvP grind for hours? Keeping players playing Dust with different activities leads to more players sticking around. When they stick around they buy more aurum and they end up playing more PvP matches. And if you read the article (which doesn't sound likely), I suggest doing PvE requires an item called a Salvage Contract that must be obtained either from doing PvP or from purchasing it for a hefty amount of aurum. By requiring PvP in order to PvE we are preventing the queues from drying up the first month or so PvE launches. By the way, the extra aurum PvE generates for CCP could mean the different between a 6 person dev team and a 7 or 8 person dev team. More staff working on Dust = a better game for everyone. Look at the big picture, homie. @Ripley_Riley
Denchlad 7 Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 2143	Posted - 2015.04.25 00:21:00 - [17] - Quote Elpedo Hughes wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Elpedo Hughes wrote: **** off with PVE. Shooting AI is boring, they're predictable/scripted. Then don't play it? It's not forced upon you - but an outlet for other players to expand there mercenaries and wallets would go a long way around here in keeping people around and emptying there real life wallets. Which is what CCP wants :3 The player base is TOO SMALL. No one Ques ambush anymore because they don't think anyones playing it. 1 day when alot are playing PVE Dom servers will go, then Skirmish. Look at FW, it needs to be 'kick started' Fair points, but looking for a long term future in the IP its a neceessity as not everyone enjoys slaying the souls of noobs like we do. That way more people would play the game in the future. However, Dust 514 on the PS3 does not require this. Also. I'm 98% likely to better than you at using any gun. Dench's Emporium of Everything! coming soon...
Aiwha Bait Demonic Cowboys 113	Posted - 2015.04.25 21:26:00 - [18] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: Pros: Improving the NPE. First steps to a real tutorial. The possibility of having a test range. Variety. Having somewhere to go to do carebear stuff when you're not in the mood for a hardcore fight. Cons: If PvE is popular then we could have major matchmaking issues as the queues will get that much smaller. PvE as the current team would be able to implement it with few devs, shoestring budget, and very limited hardware would almost certainly be very boring, shallow and repetitive. I'm not blaming anyone for this (well maybe CCP Hilmar for gutting the team), but it's just the reality of what we have to work with. As for my fantasy-land ideal of how PvE would work: see the link in my sig. And I think that's what Ripley Riley is trying to avoid (reduction of current PvP queues) w/ his idea of Salvage Contracts I try to play this game, I just suck at it. Writer for Biomassed
Aiwha Bait Demonic Cowboys 113	Posted - 2015.04.25 21:28:00 - [19] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Elpedo Hughes wrote: The player base is TOO SMALL. No one Ques ambush anymore because they don't think anyones playing it. 1 day when alot are playing PVE Dom servers will go, then Skirmish. Look at FW, it needs to be 'kick started' PvE can be a huge catalyst for growth. Imagine you are a relatively new player; maybe 2 - 4mil lifetime SP. You play a few public contracts one night and get your ass stomped. You decide to finally try a PvE contract. Low yield, something you can solo. It takes about 15 minutes to complete. You earn some ISK and some SP and you cooldown. Now you aren't raging at "that ******* in the MinAssault". You then rejoin the public match queue. See how that could have gone differently? How many new players do we lose because they quit Dust post-getting their ass handed to them in a match? How many simply get bored at doing the same old PvP grind for hours? Keeping players playing Dust with different activities leads to more players sticking around. When they stick around they buy more aurum and they end up playing more PvP matches. And if you read the article (which doesn't sound likely), I suggest doing PvE requires an item called a Salvage Contract that must be obtained either from doing PvP or from purchasing it for a hefty amount of aurum. By requiring PvP in order to PvE we are preventing the queues from drying up the first month or so PvE launches. By the way, the extra aurum PvE generates for CCP could mean the different between a 6 person dev team and a 7 or 8 person dev team. More staff working on Dust = a better game for everyone. Look at the big picture, homie. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ THIS. All the likes and logi reps for you! :D I try to play this game, I just suck at it. Writer for Biomassed
Aiwha Bait Demonic Cowboys 113	Posted - 2015.04.25 21:30:00 - [20] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: Great article Bait, synthesizing ideas and a little flavor of the forum culture as well. Ripley's idea for contracts as a reward from PvP matches is particularly interesting. Selling contracts could certainly be lucrative. *Note: I am currently drunk while making these comments. I still mean what I say... Heh. Senpai noticed me! ^-^ Thanks a million, drunk Jadek. o7 Drink more! I try to play this game, I just suck at it. Writer for Biomassed

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11551	Posted - 2015.04.25 21:38:00 - [21] - Quote Elpedo Hughes wrote: **** off with PVE. Shooting AI is boring, they're predictable/scripted. You haven't played Eve Online, have you? Of course, in Eve it's more like PvEvP than just PvE. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Hefnd Andans Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2015.04.25 21:58:00 - [22] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Elpedo Hughes wrote: **** off with PVE. Shooting AI is boring, they're predictable/scripted. You haven't played Eve Online, have you? Of course, in Eve it's more like PvEvP than just PvE. It is not very difficult. It is very repetitive when you learn patterns.
Isa Lucifer Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 211	Posted - 2015.04.25 22:12:00 - [23] - Quote /r/floridaman GO Seminoles go! Amarr Victor Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
JIMvc2 Consolidated Dust 942	Posted - 2015.04.25 22:15:00 - [24] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Elpedo Hughes wrote: **** off with PVE. Shooting AI is boring, they're predictable/scripted. Bad PvE is. Good PvE can be enjoyable to beat. It can be engaging and require timing, gun game, and yes even tactics. Don't flush an entire gamemode down the shitter because you played a game with poor AI in the past. I have a better solution. But I want Mr Dead n00b games to reply. If you fail, prepare to die >:)Click here. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! Die YOU SHADOW BEING IN THE DARK!!!
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 9663	Posted - 2015.04.25 23:27:00 - [25] - Quote I forgot to mention something in my original post that Aiwha quoted... I would also like a subsystem in the warbarge that produces X Salvage Contracts per day. Subsystem Level / Salvage Contracts per day 1 / 1 2 / 2 3 / 4 4 / 8 5 / 16 @Ripley_Riley "Ripley, you're a fucking artist" - Cat Merc
bathtubist TRUE SAVAGES Learning Alliance 96	Posted - 2015.04.26 00:04:00 - [26] - Quote Elpedo Hughes wrote: **** off with PVE. Shooting AI is boring, they're predictable/scripted. if your okay to be a logi and trying to get the team to rush the Obj while the enemy team already got the obj and is defending it go ahead NERF THE RE'S Gallente logi ftw
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2691	Posted - 2015.04.26 02:20:00 - [27] - Quote Wanna sees for New Eden lobby shooter PvE 1) PvE content generated by PvP content and requiring interaction with PvP corps. PC is the important one. Drone maintenance contracts for the bigger landowners should drive PvE in Dust: Drones degrade infrastructure/profitability/defenses, PvP corps need to hire PvE manpower. The interactions between the PvP landowning corps and the PvE corps would be a huge value-add for Dust. FW would generate Ripley's tradeable salvage contracts. 2) Robust contract system to facilitate PvP/PvE interactions. And PvP/PvP interactions. And PvE/PvE interactions. And salvage. And Reselling contracts. And ease-of-access for new players. There is crazy potential in contracts for emergent player-driven content generation and immersion. This would be a huge win for New Eden. PSN: RationalSpark


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