DUST Search - What matchmaking has done to this game...

Vell0cet wrote:

Cross Atu wrote:

Joel II X wrote:

I had a friend try this game out some time ago, back when not even mu was a thing. He liked it and said it was a fairly decent shooter with fun guns. He especially liked the Ion Pistol (FREEDOOOOOOM). However, he couldn't play more than three matches after Academy because of the ROFLSTOMP.

I asked him to try it again recently what with the new matchmaking and all that, and he said "holy ****! The matches are actually balanced! This game isn't bad anymore"

I shed a tier.. Mind you, he still hasn't unlocked anything, so he has the original 4 stater fits only. I told him to only worry about cores first.

EDIT: Yay! Player retention!

Nice, good to hear about even more cases of this. And thumbs up on the core skills, I'd love to see that advice make its way into the game client so more new bros could benefit from it.

Cross, is there any chance you could poke CCP to see if the new Matchmaking has improved new player retention? It may still be too early to draw firm conclusions, and I'm sure they'd want to express the differences in the form of % change instead of hard numbers (for business reasons), but this would be really great to know. Maybe a blog or forum post.

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Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 7168	Posted - 2015.04.23 15:09:00 - [1] - Quote I had a friend try this game out some time ago, back when not even mu was a thing. He liked it and said it was a fairly decent shooter with fun guns. He especially liked the Ion Pistol (FREEDOOOOOOM). However, he couldn't play more than three matches after Academy because of the ROFLSTOMP. I asked him to try it again recently what with the new matchmaking and all that, and he said "holy ****! The matches are actually balanced! This game isn't bad anymore" I shed a tier.. Mind you, he still hasn't unlocked anything, so he has the original 4 stater fits only. I told him to only worry about cores first. EDIT: Yay! Player retention!
Hysanryu Brave Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 76	Posted - 2015.04.23 15:11:00 - [2] - Quote Joel II X wrote: I had a friend try this game out some time ago, back when not even mu was a thing. He liked it and said it was a fairly decent shooter with fun guns. He especially liked the Ion Pistol (FREEDOOOOOOM). However, he couldn't play more than three matches after Academy because of the ROFLSTOMP. I asked him to try it again recently what with the new matchmaking and all that, and he said "holy ****! The matches are actually balanced! This game isn't bad anymore" I shed a tier.. Mind you, he still hasn't unlocked anything, so he has the original 4 stater fits only. I told him to only worry about cores first. EDIT: Yay! Player retention! Working as intended, yayyyyyyyyy "NAH" - Quote Rosa Parks, 1955
Thumb Green The Valyrian Mercenary Army 2310	Posted - 2015.04.23 15:14:00 - [3] - Quote Makes me wish I was a new player. Only had 2 matches yesterday that weren't complete stomps though to be fair that's two more than the old average. I've got a random blueberry in my corp. Don't know why he wanted to join but I keep him as if he's a pet. Rated [TV-MA]
DUST Fiend 16549	Posted - 2015.04.23 15:16:00 - [4] - Quote Some day I too may enter into a full match :/ *"My bitter is showing. I must retreat to the berry patch."* STUFF
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 9605	Posted - 2015.04.23 15:24:00 - [5] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Some day I too may enter into a full match Full matches aren't really as much of a priority. Balancing the player skill (mu) takes priority over making sure 32 people get to play. Take last night for example... squad of 6 people, me included, 6 balanced matches. If the other team was a bunch of randoms then they were given a numbers advantage (12v14 or something similar). Later in the night, the squad sized dropped to 3 - 4. We started getting placed in matches were the other team had a full squad or two. Our team always outnumbered their team. It worked. Even though they were higher tiered players we stood a chance. @Ripley_Riley
DUST Fiend 16549	Posted - 2015.04.23 15:25:00 - [6] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Some day I too may enter into a full match Full matches aren't really as much of a priority. Balancing the player skill (mu) takes priority over making sure 32 people get to play. Take last night for example... squad of 6 people, me included, 6 balanced matches. If the other team was a bunch of randoms then they were given a numbers advantage (12v14 or something similar). Later in the night, the squad sized dropped to 3 - 4. We started getting placed in matches were the other team had a full squad or two. Our team always outnumbered their team. It worked. Even though they were higher tiered players we stood a chance. I'm pretty sure making sure that 7 out of 8 matches aren't 7 vs 13 is also a priority Just sayin' *"My bitter is showing. I must retreat to the berry patch."* STUFF
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 2142	Posted - 2015.04.23 15:31:00 - [7] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Some day I too may enter into a full match Full matches aren't really as much of a priority. Balancing the player skill (mu) takes priority over making sure 32 people get to play. Take last night for example... squad of 6 people, me included, 6 balanced matches. If the other team was a bunch of randoms then they were given a numbers advantage (12v14 or something similar). Later in the night, the squad sized dropped to 3 - 4. We started getting placed in matches were the other team had a full squad or two. Our team always outnumbered their team. It worked. Even though they were higher tiered players we stood a chance. I'm pretty sure making sure that 7 out of 8 matches aren't 7 vs 13 is also a priority Just sayin' Can you two just go find a dark corner and make out already? I have cows that show more intelligence than some of you.
DUST Fiend 16552	Posted - 2015.04.23 15:32:00 - [8] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: Can you two just go find a dark corner and make out already? I wouldn't dream of coming between you two *"My bitter is showing. I must retreat to the berry patch."* STUFF
Thumb Green The Valyrian Mercenary Army 2311	Posted - 2015.04.23 15:37:00 - [9] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Soldner VonKuechle wrote: Can you two just go find a dark corner and make out already? I wouldn't dream of coming between you two Well spilling your seed on the ground is a sin so nobody is going to blame you there; but there's always on them. I've got a random blueberry in my corp. Don't know why he wanted to join but I keep him as if he's a pet. Rated [TV-MA]
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 9605	Posted - 2015.04.23 15:38:00 - [10] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Soldner VonKuechle wrote: Can you two just go find a dark corner and make out already? I wouldn't dream of coming between you two If only there was some way for all three of us to.. no... it's madness... @Ripley_Riley

Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 2142	Posted - 2015.04.23 15:39:00 - [11] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Soldner VonKuechle wrote: Can you two just go find a dark corner and make out already? I wouldn't dream of coming between you two Why not? We'll make room, i promise I have cows that show more intelligence than some of you.
M1tch Rapp Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 184	Posted - 2015.04.23 15:42:00 - [12] - Quote It's running off the vets though. People say it's because of fear of competition, but it's more than that. Many veterans have played the game so long without proper incentives to win matches. So many of the solo players just don't have the stomach for pushing in waves to win matches. Most of my matches are borefests that end with a wide margin on the MCC. Usually if you take the high ground the match is over. Take the high ground from them if they got it first and the match is over. Sniping, redline tanking, tower FGs, etc. I end up going like 6-4 dying while trying to find a red dot to shoot at. I'm glad it's better for newer players, but the veteran player tier is a mess. Stuff to Trade? Check out Jadek's Trading Tool HERE
DUST Fiend 16552	Posted - 2015.04.23 15:45:00 - [13] - Quote M1tch Rapp wrote: I'm glad it's better for newer players, but the veteran player tier is a mess. That's why they're trying to make PC relevant, but if they can't fix the lag then no amount of changes will make it relevant to the majority of players. If I wanted to play a 5 FPS slide show I'd just draw some mercs pew pewing each other and make a flip book. *"My bitter is showing. I must retreat to the berry patch."* STUFF
M1tch Rapp Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 184	Posted - 2015.04.23 15:46:00 - [14] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: M1tch Rapp wrote: I'm glad it's better for newer players, but the veteran player tier is a mess. That's why they're trying to make PC relevant, but if they can't fix the lag then no amount of changes will make it relevant to the majority of players. If I wanted to play a 5 FPS slide show I'd just draw some mercs pew pewing each other and make a flip book. It's been much, much better for me in PC. I had problems yesterday but I think it's an issue with my ISP as I had problems in pubs too. Stuff to Trade? Check out Jadek's Trading Tool HERE
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 2142	Posted - 2015.04.23 15:57:00 - [15] - Quote M1tch Rapp wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: M1tch Rapp wrote: I'm glad it's better for newer players, but the veteran player tier is a mess. That's why they're trying to make PC relevant, but if they can't fix the lag then no amount of changes will make it relevant to the majority of players. If I wanted to play a 5 FPS slide show I'd just draw some mercs pew pewing each other and make a flip book. It's been much, much better for me in PC. I had problems yesterday but I think it's an issue with my ISP as I had problems in pubs too. Im not sure if this has ever been addressed, prolly has but i can't find it. Is there any correlation/ connection between lag increases and having EVE pilots on district? I have cows that show more intelligence than some of you.
Thumb Green The Valyrian Mercenary Army 2314	Posted - 2015.04.23 16:05:00 - [16] - Quote M1tch Rapp wrote: It's running off the vets though. People say it's because of fear of competition, but it's more than that. Many veterans have played the game so long without proper incentives to win matches. So many of the solo players just don't have the stomach for pushing in waves to win matches. Most of my matches are borefests that end with a wide margin on the MCC. Usually if you take the high ground the match is over. Take the high ground from them if they got it first and the match is over. Sniping, redline tanking, tower FGs, etc. I end up going like 6-4 dying while trying to find a red dot to shoot at. I'm glad it's better for newer players, but the veteran player tier is a mess. Winning is the only incentive we should need if we're not afraid of competition. While I don't like it, I'll throw away millions to help my team win.... and then they just keep respawning in the redline or on a tower that only snipers and FG's can get them. So unfortunately I guess I'm the only one that considers winning a proper incentive. I've got a random blueberry in my corp. Don't know why he wanted to join but I keep him as if he's a pet. Rated [TV-MA]
Dreis ShadowWeaver 0uter.Heaven Back and Forth 3001	Posted - 2015.04.23 16:09:00 - [17] - Quote That's good news, Joel! I expect we'll only see the effects of the matchmaking in a few months though, once the new players have matured, like a fine cheese. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3 Day 6/30 exclusively Minja
Ku Shala 1400	Posted - 2015.04.23 16:55:00 - [18] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: That's good news, Joel! I expect we'll only see the effects of the matchmaking in a few months though, once the new players have matured, like a fine cheese. more like fruit ripe for the picking...... *-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä (CK-0 Specialist x5)* Caldari Loyalist 22 230 780 sp in drop suit upgrades
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4493	Posted - 2015.04.23 17:27:00 - [19] - Quote Joel II X wrote: I had a friend try this game out some time ago, back when not even mu was a thing. He liked it and said it was a fairly decent shooter with fun guns. He especially liked the Ion Pistol (FREEDOOOOOOM). However, he couldn't play more than three matches after Academy because of the ROFLSTOMP. I asked him to try it again recently what with the new matchmaking and all that, and he said "holy ****! The matches are actually balanced! This game isn't bad anymore" I shed a tier.. Mind you, he still hasn't unlocked anything, so he has the original 4 stater fits only. I told him to only worry about cores first. EDIT: Yay! Player retention! Nice, good to hear about even more cases of this. And thumbs up on the core skills, I'd love to see that advice make its way into the game client so more new bros could benefit from it. CPM 1 mail me your feedback and remember to have fun!
Vell0cet OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3019	Posted - 2015.04.23 17:44:00 - [20] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: Joel II X wrote: I had a friend try this game out some time ago, back when not even mu was a thing. He liked it and said it was a fairly decent shooter with fun guns. He especially liked the Ion Pistol (FREEDOOOOOOM). However, he couldn't play more than three matches after Academy because of the ROFLSTOMP. I asked him to try it again recently what with the new matchmaking and all that, and he said "holy ****! The matches are actually balanced! This game isn't bad anymore" I shed a tier.. Mind you, he still hasn't unlocked anything, so he has the original 4 stater fits only. I told him to only worry about cores first. EDIT: Yay! Player retention! Nice, good to hear about even more cases of this. And thumbs up on the core skills, I'd love to see that advice make its way into the game client so more new bros could benefit from it. Cross, is there any chance you could poke CCP to see if the new Matchmaking has improved new player retention? It may still be too early to draw firm conclusions, and I'm sure they'd want to express the differences in the form of % change instead of hard numbers (for business reasons), but this would be really great to know. Maybe a blog or forum post. Best PvE idea ever!

Scheneighnay McBob And the ButtPirates 6179	Posted - 2015.04.23 17:59:00 - [21] - Quote I'm loving the MM. Guess it just doesn't work for shitbucket-level vets. Every battle has been competitive. Perhaps there needs to be a cutoff for all the shitbuckets to get better MM Some details can be ignored
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 805	Posted - 2015.04.23 18:03:00 - [22] - Quote Squad priority! That's what we need! Yes, the MU is working, but almost too well now. So now we have matches that are 4 v 12 etc. A player, with low MU, can still do very well if he's in squad! Scotty should be obligated to build matches from squads available, and formed up! Example: 5 squads available looking for public contract. Squad 1: 5 mercs Squad 2: 4 mercs Squad 3: 6 mercs Squad 4: 6 mercs Squad 5: 5 mercs Based on MU, scotty should pit these squads against one another. Squad 3 and 4 should be placed first, evenly matched in numbers, and against each other. Even if the MU isn't even they have the numbers advantage. The remaining 3 squads, based on MU, should then be selected to fill the two teams. Squads 1 and 5 would put both teams at 11 mercs a piece. The final squad of 4 can either be added to one team, or queued for the next battle. Leaving the rest of the team to be filled by solo mercs, or 1-2 man squads. This may increase wait time, but it will encourage squading to shorten wait times and increase performance. If you just must play solo, then you must understand, as this game is team based, that you will likely not do as well as you would if you were in squad. "Anybody order chaos?"
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 7193	Posted - 2015.04.23 19:28:00 - [23] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I'm loving the MM. Guess it just doesn't work for shitbucket-level vets. Every battle has been competitive. Perhaps there needs to be a cutoff for all the shitbuckets to get better MM He is in the academy level. He, and all the mercs against him, seem to be militia and straight out of Academy. He told me he only saw two protos, but the blues actually stood a chance. Also, he was in a solo squad. He said he faced a full squad of all the same Corp, but everyone pretty much performed the same. He said he'll keep playing Dust and see how it turns out. I told him to chronicle his experience over at the forums, but he didn't feel like it, so I posted instead. Also, he's my recruit, so I can't wait to get that BPO if he decides to stay a bit longer than I expect him to. He even told me about one fun match where all the objectives kept changing sides quite often and both teams doing excellent pushes. In a way, I envy him.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 9622	Posted - 2015.04.23 19:36:00 - [24] - Quote Joel, your bud joined Dust in a much better point in its life cycle than most people here. It might take him longer to go full bittervet. @Ripley_Riley
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 7196	Posted - 2015.04.23 22:21:00 - [25] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Joel, your bud joined Dust in a much better point in its life cycle than most people here. It might take him longer to go full bittervet. If Dust is ever around that long...
Scheneighnay McBob And the ButtPirates 6192	Posted - 2015.04.24 00:04:00 - [26] - Quote You all laughed at me, called me a filthy casual without saying anything that could remotely be interpreted as such. Now I'm in the MM sweetspot, and you're in the shitbucket derpqueue. Some details can be ignored
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4512	Posted - 2015.04.24 02:00:00 - [27] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: Cross Atu wrote: Joel II X wrote: I had a friend try this game out some time ago, back when not even mu was a thing. He liked it and said it was a fairly decent shooter with fun guns. He especially liked the Ion Pistol (FREEDOOOOOOM). However, he couldn't play more than three matches after Academy because of the ROFLSTOMP. I asked him to try it again recently what with the new matchmaking and all that, and he said "holy ****! The matches are actually balanced! This game isn't bad anymore" I shed a tier.. Mind you, he still hasn't unlocked anything, so he has the original 4 stater fits only. I told him to only worry about cores first. EDIT: Yay! Player retention! Nice, good to hear about even more cases of this. And thumbs up on the core skills, I'd love to see that advice make its way into the game client so more new bros could benefit from it. Cross, is there any chance you could poke CCP to see if the new Matchmaking has improved new player retention? It may still be too early to draw firm conclusions, and I'm sure they'd want to express the differences in the form of % change instead of hard numbers (for business reasons), but this would be really great to know. Maybe a blog or forum post. That does seem like a solid blog topic. I can bring it up o7 CPM 1 mail me your feedback and remember to have fun!


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