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Tebu Gan
Capital Acquisitions LLC
Bad Intention
1379
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Posted - 2015.04.22 19:29:00 -
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So, of late I haven't been playing much on the tank side. Just too expensive at times (I run a killer soma from time to time now). But I did make up an AV fit for those occasions (rare of late) when I play a mode that allows tanks.
I see many complaints on the ineffectiveness of AV. I've even joined in the discussion and agreed that double reps with double hardeners does seem quite invincible. But I do want to call some of you out on this as some believe that all there is to being AV is throwing on an AV main weapon.
Not saying that double reps and hardeners doesn't need some tweaking (my reps at 5 seconds over per second would do very nicely I still think). But I've come against many tank types, notably those running double reps hardeners and those running double hardeners, plate, rep.
Double Reps - Double hardeners
Drop like a sack of potatoes. My AV fit is as follows:
-Adv non specialized suit
-Pro Plasma cannon
-Bolt Pistol
-Pro Packed AV nades
-Prox mines
-Myofibs
-Plates
And it's pretty solid when it comes to tank busting. First plasma round drops shields, follow with a few packed nades. If those don't get it, a quick reload and final plasma round will usually do the trick. If not, the things limping away. This is generally with those hardeners up. If you drop that plasma round followed with the nades though, often they don't even have time to turn them on.
And this is just considering a Pro tank, as you drop in tiers, the quality of mods equipped drop, thus making it a bit easier to kill.
Then I also have my prox mines, which often catch an LAV zipping around, but also catches those tanks off guard when placed right. Sometimes outright killing a tank. If not, I've done my damage and forced it back or weakened it enough to make a quick kill if I'm nearby.
The double reps and double hardener fit though just can't stand at all to burst DPS at all, but it has to happen in a VERY short period of time. 2 packed nades and a shot from your main gun though is often enough to drop them.
Double hardened - Plate - Rep
Honestly, this setup is much easier to down, because as you wear it down, it doesn't magically rep back to full immediately. Doing the same as above will drop it's health considerably but it will often require a few more shots to drop. Though any progress you have made towards killing it isn't instantly canceled out by that one rep.
You can actually wear it down bit by bit until if finally goes boom. But it does take a bit of work and time.
Conclusion
Now, I'm not saying AV is fine, but I honestly don't have such a terrible time at it as some do. That is if I rely on everything at my disposal, I can get the job done solo. Though if I were to try to sit back from a distance (which I WON'T do), I would never come close to breaking a tank.
And being a tanker myself, I do understand a bit about how they think and work. Which directions will they come from, what area's will they avoid, common paths they take, ect. And not to say that it's easy to do, without some deaths along the way. But considering I'm dropping a million ISK tank at times or at the very least one worth double or triple my own fit, I consider that acceptable.
So what are your fit's and how do you AV?
Tanks - Balancing Turrets
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
2075
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Posted - 2015.04.22 19:30:00 -
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LAV + RE's.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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Tebu Gan
Capital Acquisitions LLC
Bad Intention
1379
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Posted - 2015.04.22 19:31:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:LAV + RE's.
HAH, how I hate that tactic. Don't know if I could ever bring myself to use it. (though I might try it one of these days)
Tanks - Balancing Turrets
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LUGMOS
Corrosive Synergy
Rise Of Legion.
3657
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Posted - 2015.04.22 19:33:00 -
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Forge gun
Corpmates (with forge gun)
~1 minute of blasting
Win
Sniper Rifles are for Nitrogenous Dioxide Borons
First to PM me with common name wins
(no Hyansaru, u win too much ;P)
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
2075
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Posted - 2015.04.22 19:33:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:LAV + RE's. HAH, how I hate that tactic. Don't know if I could ever bring myself to use it. (though I might try it one of these days)
This is Dust. There are no rules.
Except: Don't pull out Proto and officer when fighting new players. That is just sad.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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DUST Fiend
16513
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Posted - 2015.04.22 19:35:00 -
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Railgun Incubus
"My bitter is showing. I must retreat to the berry patch."
STUFF
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Tebu Gan
Capital Acquisitions LLC
Bad Intention
1379
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Posted - 2015.04.22 19:36:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Railgun Incubus
With a gunner I hope, cause those things barely dent my armor tank.
Tanks - Balancing Turrets
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DUST Fiend
16516
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Posted - 2015.04.22 19:42:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Railgun Incubus With a gunner I hope, cause those things barely dent my armor tank.
Nah im strictly solo usually. If im the only AV I usually just pester them, but if even one person shoots at them I can usually clean up the kill. Ive been dogfighting people who run side gun incubus and its definitely a ***** lol. When youre so high up youve got no backup and they have way more FOV and that added RoF. Which is fine (minus RoF), they have 2 people, its just made me start practicing shooting gunners out with my rail ;)
"My bitter is showing. I must retreat to the berry patch."
STUFF
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The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
4567
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Posted - 2015.04.22 19:43:00 -
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How to AV:
spawn on your starter fit with swarm launchers and stand on the middle of the road infront of a tank. Then try to shot the tank with the swarm launcher. Thats probs the most effective way to be AV these days.
I make the scrubs scream and the vets cry.
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The KTM DuKe
Dead Man's Game
135
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Posted - 2015.04.22 19:45:00 -
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Forgegun proof V and lai dai, i love throw nades behind the tank, shoot first shot from frontal, he run back and +150 +50
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Tebu Gan
Capital Acquisitions LLC
Bad Intention
1379
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Posted - 2015.04.22 19:46:00 -
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The Dark Cloud wrote:How to AV:
spawn on your starter fit with swarm launchers and stand on the middle of the road infront of a tank. Then try to shot the tank with the swarm launcher. Thats probs the most effective way to be AV these days.
And I would disagree there. I tend to blow a tank up once I have my eyes set on it with infantry AV. If I don't, it's usually because they are running with fear.
Tanks - Balancing Turrets
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Tebu Gan
Capital Acquisitions LLC
Bad Intention
1379
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Posted - 2015.04.22 19:48:00 -
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The KTM DuKe wrote:Forgegun proof V and lai dai, i love throw nades behind the tank, shoot first shot from frontal, he run back and +150 +50
Yup, that's how I run my forge alt. Haven't tried it with the new changes to AV nades, but I imagine it would be FAR easier than how I do it with a plasma cannon. Much easier to follow up successor shots too with a forge.
Tanks - Balancing Turrets
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Vesta Opalus
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
628
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Posted - 2015.04.22 19:50:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:LAV + RE's. HAH, how I hate that tactic. Don't know if I could ever bring myself to use it. (though I might try it one of these days)
Its the only thing thats even remotely (HA HA PUNS) effective against double rep double hardener unless the tank driver is stupid enough to just sit there and let you chuck grenades at it.
I made a logi fit with 3 remote explosive types + nanohives, and my friend has free LAV BPO, he would bring one down, I would spam my remotes on it, he would spam one set of his own from his BPO min assault suit, and then he'd be off to the races. We've done this set up a few games and its pretty hilarious. |
Shamarskii Simon
The Hundred Acre Hood
Rise Of Legion.
358
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Posted - 2015.04.22 20:02:00 -
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If i see those bad boy tanks and my mates decide it gotta go boom we do the following.
I'm in the ADS, they on ground.
*AV ALL OVER*
tank starts to retreat... I come in and boom boom!
AKA, i just finish... Let someone else get the credit :P
The ADS tourney! Join today!
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Tebu Gan
Capital Acquisitions LLC
Bad Intention
1379
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Posted - 2015.04.22 20:04:00 -
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Vesta Opalus wrote:Tebu Gan wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:LAV + RE's. HAH, how I hate that tactic. Don't know if I could ever bring myself to use it. (though I might try it one of these days) Its the only thing thats even remotely (HA HA PUNS) effective against double rep double hardener unless the tank driver is stupid enough to just sit there and let you chuck grenades at it. I made a logi fit with 3 remote explosive types + nanohives, and my friend has free LAV BPO, he would bring one down, I would spam my remotes on it, he would spam one set of his own from his BPO min assault suit, and then he'd be off to the races. We've done this set up a few games and its pretty hilarious.
Well, it's not about them sitting there and taking it. I can fire a plasma cannon round, followed by 2 AV nades in just a matter of a few seconds. So basically you can cause some serious alpha damage before they can even react.
Tanks - Balancing Turrets
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DERP33
Glitched Connection
49
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Posted - 2015.04.22 20:29:00 -
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4 Minmandos with proto swarms does the trick. |
The KTM DuKe
Dead Man's Game
135
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Posted - 2015.04.22 21:27:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:The KTM DuKe wrote:Forgegun proof V and lai dai, i love throw nades behind the tank, shoot first shot from frontal, he run back and +150 +50 Yup, that's how I run my forge alt. Haven't tried it with the new changes to AV nades, but I imagine it would be FAR easier than how I do it with a plasma cannon. Much easier to follow up successor shots too with a forge.
If you can throw 2 nades before tanker activate hardners you have 90% of chance to get it, 1 lai dai one shot almost every LAV and those 2 hardners 2 reps maddies is enough set AV nades betwin you and the tank and hide xD, i feel a **** when other do it to my tanker alt
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Raven-747
WarRavens
14
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Posted - 2015.04.23 01:05:00 -
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The Dark Cloud wrote:How to AV:
spawn on your starter fit with swarm launchers and stand on the middle of the road infront of a tank. Then try to shot the tank with the swarm launcher. Thats probs the most effective way to be AV these days.
Made my day
I have seen scouts with over 800 armor cloaking.
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The Modern Creature
Incorruptibles
70
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Posted - 2015.04.23 01:32:00 -
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You don't you delete all of your fits that are made for AV that aren't proto. But if you do have proto go shoot stuff, and when it activates it's hardeners go cry in a corner.
Attention passengers I will be your captain for the evening, I'm sure we won't run into any swarms but just inc- JUMP!!!
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VAHZZ
Arrary of Clusters
1535
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Posted - 2015.04.23 02:03:00 -
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Kubo's Gallente Commando. King AV Suppression.
Dual PLC
ADV AV nades
Cardiacs maybe, or possibly reps
And ofc, DMG mods
Or you can go the boring route and do swarms.
If you expect the worst, you'll never be disappointed.
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Scheneighnay McBob
And the ButtPirates
6166
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Posted - 2015.04.23 02:11:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:LAV + RE's.
Holy ****, that tactic still works?
Wanna start doing it.
Alohasnackbar
Some details can be ignored
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
1940
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Posted - 2015.04.23 02:11:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Tebu Gan wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:LAV + RE's. HAH, how I hate that tactic. Don't know if I could ever bring myself to use it. (though I might try it one of these days) This is Dust. There are no rules. Except: Don't pull out Proto and officer when fighting new players. That is just sad.
then make Dust support that rule.
Some of us cannot have ADV or STD fits as there are only 30 suit fittings slots available which is not enough.
Looking at both sides of the coin.
Even Aurum one.
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Echo 1991
Titans of Phoenix
RUST415
791
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Posted - 2015.04.23 02:18:00 -
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VAHZZ wrote:Kubo's Gallente Commando. King AV Suppression.
Dual PLC
ADV AV nades
Cardiacs maybe, or possibly reps
And ofc, DMG mods
Or you can go the boring route and do swarms.
Are you using a rattati assault? Cos that is no commando fit. |
bathtubist
TRUE SAVAGES
Learning Alliance
92
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Posted - 2015.04.23 02:38:00 -
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Tank interrupting my Logi runs
I interrupt the HAV runs
say hello to deadfloor plasma cannon
NERF THE RE'S Gallente logi ftw
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VAHZZ
Arrary of Clusters
1536
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Posted - 2015.04.23 03:07:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:VAHZZ wrote:Kubo's Gallente Commando. King AV Suppression.
Dual PLC
ADV AV nades
Cardiacs maybe, or possibly reps
And ofc, DMG mods
Or you can go the boring route and do swarms. Are you using a rattati assault? Cos that is no commando fit.
Oh, damn, forgot no nades. Thank you for that.
If you expect the worst, you'll never be disappointed.
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Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y
753
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Posted - 2015.04.23 03:09:00 -
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Assault forge gun* on a Min heavy, AV nades.
You need the speed so the tank can't get away so easily c:
*requires good aim and timing
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