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Starlight Burner Arrary of Clusters 216	Posted - 2015.04.22 09:54:00 - [1] - Quote I'm fully sure this is not how the myrofibs were supposed to be used. Caldari assault stacks high slot with Myrofibs Low slots with Ferroscales to take damage Add Mass Driver Noob Tube no skill kitten crap.. I'm sure this is not the intended purpose use of Myrofibs. I suggest toning down the jump height boost significantly and add the stamina penalty for quick jumping consecutively. This has to be stopped. Please CEO of Arrary of Clusters, a close relations corporation Caldari Factional Warfare, enlist today! Thank you for DUST
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game RUST415 1952	Posted - 2015.04.22 15:15:00 - [2] - Quote But... why... That same guy could get a dropship fly to camp spot of choice and fit 4/5 extenders with regulators instead.. Or we could keep the 500hp flying trolls and hope our playerbase takes the time for some target practice Myofibs.. CAN be really annoying and tricky to counter.. But they scarifice 5 slots at least for this ability and lack hp tank I think it's a fair trade Te Sbundo'd
Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 286	Posted - 2015.04.22 15:22:00 - [3] - Quote Get an asr and kill them. It's easy. Yes it's annoyong, but fun as well until CCP decides to do something, just stick to asr 48th Special Operations Force. Twitter- @48SOF
Georgia Xavier Y.A.M.A.H 346	Posted - 2015.04.22 16:55:00 - [4] - Quote A breach scrambler pistol should do the trick. Just wait when they're at the peak of their arc to shoot Dust 514: Unlimited Scrub Works
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 9081	Posted - 2015.04.22 18:59:00 - [5] - Quote Starlight Burner wrote: ... add the stamina penalty for quick jumping consecutively. Agreed with this part. Don't much care for the altitudes achieved at 4x and higher, but consecutive moon jumping poses a bigger problem. 0-1 myofibs - 25% stamina consumed per hop 2-3 myofibs - 50% stamina consumed per hop 4-5 myofibs - 100% stamina consumed per hop ^ Percentage used so CardRegs will no longer increase the number of back-to-back jumps. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 2139	Posted - 2015.04.22 19:48:00 - [6] - Quote I would honestly like to know how many jumpers you've seen over the last 20 matches. for me, its only been myself when i wanted to derp around in it. and i thiiinnkkkk there was a minscout doping box-link duty. Other than that i think for the most part everyone's gone back to their normal fits. Ps, ratatti knows myos are misbehaving, the code ate itself, so instead of all this crazy penalty stuff, he wants to max it at 3, where myos still behave normal. 4 and 5 is when they are broken. I have cows that show more intelligence than some of you.
Terry Ronn DUST BRASIL S.A Rise Of Legion. 0	Posted - 2015.04.22 22:33:00 - [7] - Quote Starlight Burner wrote: I'm fully sure this is not how the myrofibs were supposed to be used. Caldari assault stacks high slot with Myrofibs Low slots with Ferroscales to take damage Add Mass Driver Noob Tube no skill kitten crap.. I'm sure this is not the intended purpose use of Myrofibs. I suggest toning down the jump height boost significantly and add the stamina penalty for quick jumping consecutively. This has to be stopped. Please You're right, this is annoying.
nelo kazuma THE LAST H0PE. RUST415 96	Posted - 2015.04.22 23:51:00 - [8] - Quote The reason myrofibs recieved this buff was because of rooftop campers but look at primary usage plasma flaylock combo minmatar. That coupled with the wonki hit detection on them is primary issue and why there primarily used for this. cuz they have infinite sprint and godly running speed. Any cal users who use myros have low stamina low sprint speed. Myrofibs sacrifice hp for mobility.
tritan abbattere DBAG CORE 62	Posted - 2015.04.23 01:02:00 - [9] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Starlight Burner wrote: ... add the stamina penalty for quick jumping consecutively. Agreed with this part. Don't much care for the altitudes achieved at 4x and higher, but consecutive moon jumping poses a bigger problem. 0-1 myofibs - 25% stamina consumed per hop 2-3 myofibs - 50% stamina consumed per hop 4-5 myofibs - 100% stamina consumed per hop ^ Percentage used so CardRegs will no longer increase the number of back-to-back jumps. uh that is not good because this is a defensive measure. your speed tanking instead of shield or armor tanking. what they could do is make it so all armors reduce jump height. Think of this as the Micro warp drive in EVE. you expose your self to more people to shoot at you when you jump but your really evasive. I am the all mighty Tritan. Fear me for I am a MassHole
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 9109	Posted - 2015.04.23 02:07:00 - [10] - Quote tritan abbattere wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Starlight Burner wrote: ... add the stamina penalty for quick jumping consecutively. Agreed with this part. Don't much care for the altitudes achieved at 4x and higher, but consecutive moon jumping poses a bigger problem. 0-1 myofibs - 25% stamina consumed per hop 2-3 myofibs - 50% stamina consumed per hop 4-5 myofibs - 100% stamina consumed per hop ^ Percentage used so CardRegs will no longer increase the number of back-to-back jumps. uh that is not good because this is a defensive measure. your speed tanking instead of shield or armor tanking. Perhaps if you're stacking biotics in the highs and lows of a 300HP frame. But not so much if you've got myofibs in yours highs and a rack of lows filled with plates and reps. How 'bout each plate decreases your jump height by X%, such that mario jumps and bricks counteract one another? Also, one 50ft jump is more than a sufficient defensive measure. Back-to-back 50ft bounding no less ridiculous than wiggle-wiggling through a bullet stream. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley

tritan abbattere DBAG CORE 62	Posted - 2015.04.23 02:10:00 - [11] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: tritan abbattere wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Starlight Burner wrote: ... add the stamina penalty for quick jumping consecutively. Agreed with this part. Don't much care for the altitudes achieved at 4x and higher, but consecutive moon jumping poses a bigger problem. 0-1 myofibs - 25% stamina consumed per hop 2-3 myofibs - 50% stamina consumed per hop 4-5 myofibs - 100% stamina consumed per hop ^ Percentage used so CardRegs will no longer increase the number of back-to-back jumps. uh that is not good because this is a defensive measure. your speed tanking instead of shield or armor tanking. Perhaps if you're stacking biotics in the highs and lows of a 300HP frame. But not so much if you've got myofibs in yours highs and a rack of lows filled with plates and reps. How 'bout each plate decreases your jump height by X%, such that mario jumps and bricks counteract one another? What i said in my earlier post about all armors being any plate. Also back to back jumping is needed no matter the height. But I think the maybe myfribers should have a multiplier for stamina ues per jump.. I am the all mighty Tritan. Fear me for I am a MassHole
The Dark Cloud The Rainbow Effect 4572	Posted - 2015.04.23 02:13:00 - [12] - Quote Ya know if they have 5 myos they will have allmost no HP at all. I highly doubt it that this needs balancing, if it would be broken then every 1 and their mother would use it. But because this aint the case i think it is allright how it is. I make the scrubs scream and the vets cry.
Starlight Burner Arrary of Clusters 218	Posted - 2015.04.23 05:00:00 - [13] - Quote The Dark Cloud wrote: Ya know if they have 5 myos they will have allmost no HP at all. I highly doubt it that this needs balancing, if it would be broken then every 1 and their mother would use it. But because this aint the case i think it is allright how it is. It pains me to post this as now more will use this. Assault ck.0 Highs: 4 Complex Myrofibs 1 Complex Light Damage Modifier Lows: 2 Complex Ferroscale Plates 1 Complex Repair Module Shield HP 344 (Includes passive skill boost) Armor HP 359 Repair rate 10.87 HP/s Primary weapon Freedom Mass Driver 330.00 Direct dmg 159.50 Splash Damage 4.40m Blast Radius Clip size of 6 dealing (without added proficiency and WB boost) 1980 Direct damage if land all 6 hits 957 Damage if all 6 hits land in radius Sidearm Core Flaylock Pistol 192.50 direct dmg 173.80 spash dmg clip size of 4 dealing (Without added proficiency and WB boost) 770 Direct damage if land all 4 hits 695.2 Damage if all 4 hits land in radius As you can see, this suit by itself has the DPS to kill anything. The Mass Driver & Flayloc is a low skill High Reward weapon. With the Mass Driver and Flayloc combo on a Assualt Myrofib suit, this is not in any means balanced. Assaults/scouts using Myrofibs and Kinkats to speed up to melee you. If they fail to get the jump on you, they either use the MD and Flayloc combo by jumping and producing insane DPS or they just dual combo Flayloc jump DPS kill you. This is in no means 'balanced' as they currently have the best of 3 worlds. Range, Speed, and Close Quarters without sacrificing that much armor or shields. 334 Sheild HP AND 359 Armor HP is not sacrificing. This is dual stacking. While dual stacking, this build I just showed to you all is one of the most abusive lethal suits in the game. There is nothing being sacrificed while using this fitting. This current fitting is just 1 of the multiple ways you can produce this DPS while abusing the myrofibs. I personally would've rather had a separate module but that is not viable at the moment. I would love to see your counter to this because I think this is the first time I've used stats to prove my own point. Instead of waiting for someone else to produce the stats. CEO of Arrary of Clusters, a close relations corporation Caldari Factional Warfare, enlist today! Thank you for DUST
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 2715	Posted - 2015.04.23 06:54:00 - [14] - Quote I love how modules that are supposed to give +25% jump height (each, with stacking penalty), allow an assault that normally just barely jumps 2m (the height of another dropsuit) to instead jump 12-15m. 1.25 * 1.25(.87) * 1.25(.57) * 1.25(.27) = 1.86 Strange how a bonus that should be 1.86x is instead providing 6 - 7.5x bonus. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
tritan abbattere DBAG CORE 62	Posted - 2015.04.23 11:45:00 - [15] - Quote Starlight Burner wrote: The Dark Cloud wrote: Ya know if they have 5 myos they will have allmost no HP at all. I highly doubt it that this needs balancing, if it would be broken then every 1 and their mother would use it. But because this aint the case i think it is allright how it is. As you can see, this suit by itself has the DPS to kill anything. The Mass Driver & Flayloc is a low skill High Reward weapon. With the Mass Driver and Flayloc combo on a Assualt Myrofib suit, this is not in any means balanced. Assaults/scouts using Myrofibs and Kinkats to speed up to melee you. If they fail to get the jump on you, they either use the MD and Flayloc combo by jumping and producing insane DPS or they just dual combo Flayloc jump DPS kill you. This is in no means 'balanced' as they currently have the best of 3 worlds. Range, Speed, and Close Quarters without sacrificing that much armor or shields. 334 Sheild HP AND 359 Armor HP is not sacrificing. This is dual stacking. OK and what if i just get a lift to a vantage spot with a mass driver and 4 complex shield extenders, 1 recharger. and a armor tank and get an EHP of 1200 camping an objective same result will happen if not better has i now have a great tank with good cover. BTW I find this more effective then a jump suit. Microfibers just give the use the ability to quickly get into a position to hammer you with the penalty of less hp but you die to it more frequently as now mass drivers can assault rather then just defend. It is giving them a side grade but it is not a pure upgrade to the mass driver. I am the all mighty Tritan. Fear me for I am a MassHole
Gyn Wallace Ready to Play 339	Posted - 2015.04.23 17:08:00 - [16] - Quote Starlight Burner wrote: As you can see, this suit by itself has the DPS to kill anything. The Mass Driver & Flayloc is a low skill High Reward weapon. Guess how I know that you've never actually used a mass driver? Seriously, try to do it, if you think its OP. Come back afterwards, so you can tell us how easy it was. Please. -Gyn Wallace/Min Lo Edit: I should add a bit more substance to my post: Divide the MD's splash damage by how long it takes to fire those 6 shots: roughly a shot per second, so its DPS is 160. Can you name another weapon with a lower DPS? Describing one of the few weapons in this game that doesn't benefit from aim-assist as a "low skill" weapon, is patently silly. If you use a controller and a shotgun, or a rifle near the edge of its optimal range, and I use a mouse and mass driver (other than the assault), the hitbox I need to aim within to damage you is smaller than yours. The Dust/Eve Isk Exchange Thread
Starlight Burner Arrary of Clusters 219	Posted - 2015.04.23 17:35:00 - [17] - Quote Gyn Wallace wrote: Starlight Burner wrote: As you can see, this suit by itself has the DPS to kill anything. The Mass Driver & Flayloc is a low skill High Reward weapon. Guess how I know that you've never actually used a mass driver? Seriously, try to do it, if you think its OP. Come back afterwards, so you can tell us how easy it was. Please. -Gyn Wallace/Min Lo Edit: I should add a bit more substance to my post: Divide the MD's splash damage by how long it takes to fire those 6 shots: roughly a shot per second, so its DPS is 160. Can you name another weapon with a lower DPS? Describing one of the few weapons in this game that doesn't benefit from aim-assist as a "low skill" weapon, is patently silly. If you use a controller and a shotgun, or a rifle near the edge of its optimal range, and I use a mouse and mass driver (other than the assault), the hitbox I need to aim within to damage you is smaller than yours. This isn't a QQ thread about MD. I am just showing one of the fits that are abusing the Myrofibs. If you read the original post I made, nothing in there is asking for a MD nerf. I'm just stating that the Myrofibs are being abused with this fitting of MD and Flayloc combo. Please do not derail this thread. It's about Myrofibs. I just used and I'll quote my self here Quote: This current fitting is just 1 of the multiple ways you can produce this DPS while abusing the myrofibs. I personally would've rather had a separate module but that is not viable at the moment. CEO of Arrary of Clusters, a close relations corporation Caldari Factional Warfare, enlist today! Thank you for DUST
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 809	Posted - 2015.04.23 23:33:00 - [18] - Quote Starlight Burner wrote: I'm fully sure this is not how ~~the myrofibs were supposed~~ I want myofibs to be used. Fixed that For You.
Gyn Wallace Ready to Play 340	Posted - 2015.04.24 02:12:00 - [19] - Quote Starlight Burner wrote: ... The Mass Driver & Flayloc is a low skill High Reward weapon. Starlight Burner wrote: This isn't a QQ thread about MD. ... ...This current fitting is just 1 of the multiple ways you can produce this DPS while abusing the myrofibs. Bull puckey. I suspect that aside from getting killed and looking up some stats, you simply don't know that you're writing about. The first sentence quoted above is not consistent with the second. The last sentence quoted above is simply wrong. Your fitting is not one of multiple way to produce that DPS. No fitting with a primary weapon other than a MD has a DPS as low as the MD's. Even if you put a sidearm in the primary weapon slot, its hard to get your DPS lower. You're complaining about a fit using one of the lowest DPS weapons in the entire game. You're characterizing the MD as a "low skill" weapon. Disagreeing with your statement is not an attempt to derail the thread. Seriously, have you tried using a mass driver? If you think its not balanced in combination with myofibs, did you gain that opinion as a result of trying to use it that way, or because you got killed by someone else doing it? I'm genuinely asking. These are not rhetorical questions. The Dust/Eve Isk Exchange Thread
Megaman Trigger Ready to Play 285	Posted - 2015.04.24 11:16:00 - [20] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: I love how modules that are supposed to give +25% jump height (each, with stacking penalty), allow an assault that normally just barely jumps 2m (the height of another dropsuit) to instead jump 12-15m. 1.25 * 1.25(.87) * 1.25(.57) * 1.25(.27) = 1.86 Strange how a bonus that should be 1.86x is instead providing 6 - 7.5x bonus. Not only did someone goof with the stacking penalty but the melee bonus of +50% per complex module (75% with max skills) is being applied instead of the +25% that was intended. Purifier. First Class.

Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 1105	Posted - 2015.04.24 12:25:00 - [21] - Quote Starlight Burner wrote: I'm fully sure this is not how the myrofibs were supposed to be used. Caldari assault stacks high slot with Myrofibs Low slots with Ferroscales to take damage Add Mass Driver Noob Tube no skill kitten crap.. I'm sure this is not the intended purpose use of Myrofibs. I suggest toning down the jump height boost significantly and add the stamina penalty for quick jumping consecutively. This has to be stopped. Please Stick to being an admin for the STF channel and leave game mechanics to the non-evetarded.
Kuruld Sengar G.L.O.R.Y 318	Posted - 2015.04.24 14:45:00 - [22] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Starlight Burner wrote: ... add the stamina penalty for quick jumping consecutively. Agreed with this part. Don't much care for the altitudes achieved at 4x and higher, but consecutive moon jumping poses a bigger problem. 0-1 myofibs - 25% stamina consumed per hop 2-3 myofibs - 50% stamina consumed per hop 4-5 myofibs - 100% stamina consumed per hop ^ Percentage used so CardRegs will no longer increase the number of back-to-back jumps. I don't think pure biotic fits need a nerf. Myo and cardiac only? Death sentence if anybody can shoot straight.


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